Why solipsism is not Absolute

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Of course, because it doesn't need that you, a human that believes that is the center of the cosmos is there, the tree itself is infinite conciousness, and the reality itself. A proton is infinite , don't need a ego close to verify that exist

So the universe is conscious of it?

But notice that you did include consciousness (the tree itself being infinite consciousness) so that means that you do believe Consciousness is fundamental to existence. 

Edited December 19, 2024 by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

So the universe is conscious of it?

Everything that has relative existence is conciouss of itself in some degree, not the universe like an entity, the absolute is not concious of anything because it's absolute, only the relative is conciouss. Conciousness is a relative function, needs duality, time, without duality there is not conciousness.

If you are concious of everything, absolutely concious, there in no difference, then there in nothing to be conscious of, then it's deep sleep or anesthesia, zero

Edited December 19, 2024 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

If you want to understand what reality is, you have to understand that reality is not conciousness. Conciousness appears when duality appears. Without duality the absolute is, that is the total potential, and this is not "something", nor "nothing", it's just the absolute, what you are, and it's beyond the conciousness. 

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Everything that has relative existence is conciouss of itself in some degree, not the universe like an entity, the absolute is not concious of anything because it's absolute, only the relative is conciouss. Conciousness is a relative function, needs duality, time, without duality there is not conciousness.

If you are concious of everything, absolutely concious, there in no difference, then there in nothing to be conscious of, then it's deep sleep or anesthesia, zero

Then the tree doesn't exist when it's zero right?  Or does the tree still exist independent of consciousness.   

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Then the tree doesn't exist when it's zero right?  Or does the tree still exist independent of consciousness.   

The tree exist independent of you. You are a relative construction, not god. There is not god that wants things, that is just a relative idea. If god wants something, then it's relative to that desire. The absolute is just absolute. 

Edited December 19, 2024 by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

The tree exist independent of you. You are a relative construction, not god. There is not god that wants things, that is just a relative idea. 

Ok but if there is no consciousness of the tree then why would the tree need to be there at all?  It would be no different than being at zero.   

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Ok but if there is no consciousness of the tree then why would the tree need to be there at all?  It would be no different than being at zero.   

If the tree falls it's because there is a tree, if there is not a tree, then doesn't falls, but it doesn't depends of you. There are infinite relative movements in the absolute, that tree is one of them, and infinite more. All of them are conciousness, they don't depends of you as observer, there are infinite bubbles of consciousness, you are not the center of the existence, the existence has not center. Ultimately the existence is absolute, from an absolute perspective nothing is happening, neither you, because from an infinite perspective any movement is not a movement, it's just relative to another movement, then if you expand all to infinity, nothing never happened, but from a relative perspective, everything is happening 

[Inliytened1]

11 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

If the tree falls it's because there is a tree, if there is not a tree, then doesn't falls, but it doesn't depends of you. There are infinite relative movements in the absolute, that tree is one of them, and infinite more. All of them are conciousness, they don't depends of you as observer, there are infinite bubbles of consciousness, you are not the center of the existence, the existence has not center. Ultimately the existence is absolute, from an absolute perspective nothing is happening, neither you, because from an infinite perspective any movement is not a movement, it's just relative to another movement, then if you expand all to infinity, nothing never happened, but from a relative perspective, everything is happening 

Well remember I never said there said there was a you.  Remember what I said about self and other.  That is a duality that must collapse.  There is just the Absolute or Consciousness.   So while self is not real or you, nor is other.  Thus, when I say "you" are looking at a tree what I really mean is the tree just IS

Edited December 19, 2024 by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

There is just the Absolute or Consciousness.   

Conciousness is always relative, the absolute is not conciousness. The absolute can't be thought or named, you could call it "tao" 😅. You can't understand the absolute, because the understanding happens in the absolute, the understanding is always relative. You only can be open to the absolute, then you can understand the relative, but the absolute is beyond of any understanding. But one thing is obvious: conciousness is always relative, needs duality. Without duality there is nothing to be concious of, then it's cessation. Experience happens when there is duality, and conciousness is what experience is. Experience is not absolute, is relative, happens in the absolute. 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Conciousness is always relative, the absolute is not conciousness. The absolute can't be thought or named, you could call it "tao" 😅. You can't understand the absolute, because the understanding happens in the absolute, the understanding is always relative. You only can be open to the absolute, then you can understand the relative, but the absolute is beyond of any understanding. But one thing is obvious: conciousness is always relative, needs duality. Without duality there is nothing to be concious of, then it's cessation. Experience happens when there is duality, and conciousness is what experience is. Experience is not absolute, is relative, happens in the absolute. 

But see there is a problem with that because then you have to explain where duality comes from.  And where the tree comes from. What is it made of if it's independent of consciousness?  If consciousness is a component of the Absolute and not fundamental then what is fundamental to the Absolute?  Do you just want to explain this away by saying it's unexplainable?  Well if you do that my friend, I might just call out your philosophy as, well..vacant.

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Do you just want to explain this away by saying it's unexplainable?  Well if you do that my friend, I might just call out your philosophy as, well..vacant.

Yes , that's why they said: the tao that could be thought is not the real tao. We are not talking about philosophy, but about enlightenment. The conciousness happen because the absolute is limitless, then the absolute is reflecting in itself infinitely, and any of those infinite reflections is a bubble of consciousness, but they aren't the absolute, are a relative movement in the absolute, between another infinite movements. If you compare one of them with the absolute, it's like dividing if between infinity, then the result is zero, that means that they have not reality without anything else to compare, then they are RELATIVE, so conciousness is just the reflection of the absolute in itself, it's nothing, just a reflection, the absolute is everything, and can't be thought, you can be open to if beyond the relative that you are, nothing more

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes , that's why they said: the tao that could be thought is not the real tao. We are not talking about philosophy, but about enlightenment. 

Well you sure have it explained well my friend.  I'd say that's a philosophy. 

[Inliytened1]

@Breakingthewalli do love you man. 

Only here can i literally take a full week off and pick up right where I left off 🙃 

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Breakingthewalli do love you man. 

Only here can i literally take a full week off and pick up right where I left off 🙃 

Same

but the absolute is not conciousness and the others have their own experience 🤣🤣

Edited December 19, 2024 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

@Inliytened1 contemplate the fact that you now are not aware of the infinite possibilities of reality. What is the meaning of this? That there is infinite hidden to you. The only consequence of this is that you, as conciousness, experience, are a limited part of the absolute that is being "enlightened" by the light of conciousness. How this is happening? By the fact of the perception, the perception creates the conciousness, or better are synonyms, then if perception dissapear conciousness turns off. Means this that without conciousness there is not reality? Wrong. Reality is absolute, then it exists beyond the fact of being concious of it. In fact you really are the absolute, but you are concious of a very limited area . You could be open to the absolute and recognize yourself as that, but it's an opening in your heart, not in your mind. The absolute is not something that you are concious of it, is the reality. Then you would understand that even in anesthesia the absolute is absolute, even the non existence or no manifestation is absolute. The total zero is not absence of form, is absence of consciousness, and the total zero, the cessation, is same absolute than the present moment with conciousness 

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Inliytened1 In fact you really are the absolute, but you are concious of a very limited area .  

You seem very sure of this yet you cannot prove that there are other areas outside of your direct consciousness.   There is only - and I empathize - there is ONLY - your direct consciousness or awareness.  That is all you have and it is all you ever will have because there is nothing more.

Edited December 19, 2024 by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

30 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You seem very sure of this yet you cannot prove that there are other areas outside of your direct consciousness.   There is only - and I empathize - there is ONLY - your direct consciousness or awareness.  That is all you have and it is all you ever will have because there is nothing more.

I don't need any proof, it's absolutely obvious. Are you concious of how this moment is been created? No. You area of consciousness is limited, then it's infinitely límited. In the eternity of existence something else different than me writing in a phone is going to happen right? But I'm not concious of that now. Leo used to say: you could reach infinite conciousness, or alien conciousness, or anything. Then now you have finite conciousness, then there are infinite conciousness out of your conciousness. 

As you said you never would have more than this field of consciousness, because you as experience are this field of consciousness, but this is a relative you that is going to dissapear. The absolute remains, but the absolute is not an experience, the experience is just relative appearance 

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

T he absolute remains 

That is absolutely right and it is total.   There is no "other" that is necessary or anything outside of what is direct experience.   This is it.   

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

That is absolutely right and it is total.   There is no "other" that is necessary or anything outside of what is direct experience.   This is it.   

@Inliytened1 the absolute is not an experience or direct experience , it's where experience happens. Outside of direct experience there are infinite others direct experience, because all of them are relative to the others 

[Inliytened1]

14 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Inliytened1 tOutside of direct experience there are infinite others direct experience, because all of them are relative to the others 

Wishful thinking.  Really contemplate reality.   I mean really.  In the Absolute sense there can't be other.  We agree.  So in the relative sense are they really some physical object made of atoms or are they figments of your imagination as God?  Might be too scared to think the latter.

Edited December 19, 2024 by Inliytened1