Why solipsism is not Absolute

[Someone here]

10 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

No, I mean the ingredientes table of the universe is made out of love!

Or Bliss, even better 

OK.  In my experience there is no such thing . 

What is known as "unconditional love" in spiritual community is not bliss or positive emotions..it's an overarching unity that encompasses the whole spectrum of  all emotions.

So pain..misery..disease..hunger ..filth ..happiness..orgasms..dog shit ..etc ..are all unconditional love. 

In Leo's interview with Curt from theories of everything.. Curt has asked Leo if love is not romantic love but rather an all encompassing substratum that includes everything that exists..then why calling it "love" and not "bugaboo "? And Leo's response didn't convince me . Since the word "love" has emotional connotation then why insisting on calling it love if its not romantic love ?

14 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Only sometimes through the day. Most of the time the sensation fades away like never happened

Then why did you say each atom in the universe is made of love if you're not always in love? 

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

OK.  In my experience there is no such thing . 

 

Wtf? Dude you just got It right in the previous reply 

"and love as the substratum of existence which the sages talk about .

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1 hour ago, Someone here said:

What is known as "unconditional love" in spiritual community is not bliss or positive emotions..it's an overarching unity that encompasses the whole spectrum of  all emotions.

So pain..misery..disease..hunger ..filth ..happiness..orgasms..dog shit ..etc ..are all unconditional love. 

 

No, thats just some nonsense created by people that wanted to justify their own internal misery. 

 

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Then why did you say each atom in the universe is made of love if you're not always in love? 

Because at that moment It was true in my experience.

[Javfly33]

Love is an actual experience, not a concept @Someone hereif you are able to feel love while eating a dogs shit.

Is not about what is or what is not Love.

Is wether you feel love, Bliss, just by existing. Just by Breathing, just by being. 

Is wether the mere process of you being here becomes a Blissful experience, thats all that matters 

Thats all that matters. Then you Will use your Mind consciously to choose whether you should eat a dog shit or a Donut. 

Dont mix apples with oranges. 🙏

Edited December 13 by Javfly33

[Someone here]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Love is an actual experience, not a concept @Someone hereif you are able to feel love while eating a dogs shit.

Is not about what is or what is not Love.

Is wether you feel love, Bliss, just by existing. Just by Breathing, just by being. 

Is wether the mere process of you being here becomes a Blissful experience, thats all that matters 

Thats all that matters. Then you Will use your Mind consciously to choose whether you should eat a dog shit or a Donut. 

Dont mix apples with oranges. 🙏

Well if that's the case..then why make dozens of threads about cessation..mahasmadhi..non existence..ending the cycle of reincarnation etc ?

If you feel happy just by existing then this is  good.  This a sign of enlightenment. But i don't believe you're "there "yet . I've followed your posts over the years ...you improved..but you still believe the true nature is nothingness and not both nothingness and everythingness  ..which oddly enough you seem to contradict once  again with this post. So what's the deal jav?

[Someone here]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

No, thats just some nonsense created by people that wanted to justify their own internal misery. 

How is swimming in a pool of cow shit not Love ? Isn't Love supposed to be another word for god or the absolute or everything that is?

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

How is swimming in a pool of cow shit not Love ? Isn't Love supposed to be another word for god or the absolute or everything that is?

That about everything is love....well, could bullshit in my opinion in most of cases. Let's see, you can reach an opening of yourself that makes being you a pleasure, constantly feeling the flow of existence and seeing that you are floating in the living infinity that vibrates around you and you are that. to have a constant feeling of openness, life, bliss. But of course, if they tell you that you have two cancers and you're also going to go blind, and you're also going to go to a prison in the Congo, then maybe all that love stuff doesn't seem so clear anymore.

But I guess that it depends of your level of openess to the absolute. The absolute is absolute joy, absolute creative power, absolute life. If you are totally open to it, anything could be ok 

We are lost in the abyss, people doesn't realize, you realize it, that why you are searching. We can open ourself , feel the totality and remove the circumstancial, be in the absolute. There is the only possible choice, anything else is madness . Life is going to test us, this is not kindergarten , nothing is guaranteed 

Edited December 13 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

There is one point that makes the difference in spiritual work, and that is to open yourself. this is the key. In you is reality, the source of existence. It is not love, bliss, or whatever, it is you, so, if you fit in with yourself, the dissonance of anxiety that accompanies you every second disappears. There is only one path, the one that leads to yourself, and there is only one way to find yourself, opening the barriers that close you. It's like a game, you have to be serious to play it, if not you don't do anything

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

Well if that's the case..then why make dozens of threads about cessation..mahasmadhi..non existence..ending the cycle of reincarnation etc ?

When I created the topic about mahasamadhi or ultimate mukti I was not talking about disappearing as being destroyed, but as a losing the anchor to a limited form. 

Which, in a way, it is being destroyed, because all we know as egos is limited forms and anchors. 

But anyways, ultimate goal is complete bliss, which means not taking more limited forms. 

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If you feel happy just by existing then this is  good.  This a sign of enlightenment. But i don't believe you're "there "yet .

For sure, I´m not there yet at all. There is not stability still, There is a lot of distractions and going back and forth. You could say Im prolonging the inevitable, but is also true as an ego I don´t have a choice or control in the timings.

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I've followed your posts over the years ...you improved..but you still believe the true nature is nothingness and not both nothingness and everythingness  ..which oddly enough you seem to contradict once  again with this post. So what's the deal jav?

nothingness seems negative and 'small', thats why maybe seems contradictory to 'everythingness'. 

My main point is that Reality is real, is awareness and is alive. And that finite reality or identification with form is a delusion.

 

Edited Friday at 10:35 PM by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

32 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

My main point is that Reality is real, is awareness and is alive. And that finite reality or identification with form is a delusion.

 

How could be you without form? You mean being the absolute, then never happen, just existing. But then there wouldn't time, just absolute existence. For ever? There is not for ever because there is not time. It's impossible to think in it or understanding it. If now there is a límited form, the only possible deduction is that always would be a limited form, because if it stops being, then you will be the absolute for ever, and it's not the case because you are a limited form. Can't be for ever eternity after next month, then it's not eternity, has a beginning, then has an end

[Javfly33]

6 hours ago, Someone here said:

How is swimming in a pool of cow shit not Love ? Isn't Love supposed to be another word for god or the absolute or everything that is?

No I don´t mean that, I mean that you as existence are you experiencing/being/feeling Love or not. 

That´s all that matters, whether you want to call a cow shit love is kinda of meaningless. You could just call a cow shit a cow shit but take a bunch of Mdma and feel Love (I have never tried it but I've heard it feels like that) and you would be in love.

And you could call a cow shit Love, Brahman, or God, but internally feel depressed, and...well, you tell me, what does it serve you that the cow shit is Love? The point is are you Being Love or are you being thoughts/duality, etc?

The only reason you feel Love when your gf gives you head, and not when you eat a cow shit, is because you needed to create dualities in the dream in order to make your human form survive. 

So for survival, you sacrifice love. 

So now you have to develop a mechanism, an internal mechanism to go beyond the dualities, the conditions. Because with conditions you will never know love. 

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

How could be you without form?

In how I see it, in a way, I am already without form. However there is a tendency to remain or appear as a form. 

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You mean being the absolute, then never happen, just existing. But then there wouldn't time, just absolute existence. For ever?

I'm not saying existence would disappear. I mean the ability or tendency of holding to a form. 

In the same way you can lose the skill of driving a car if you hurt your brain in some areas. Some brain damage can be forever. 

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If now there is a límited form, the only possible deduction is that always would be a limited form, because if it stops being, then you will be the absolute for ever, and it's not the case because you are a limited form. Can't be for ever eternity after next month, then it's not eternity, has a beginning, then has an end

I think we agree that existence is too complex to understand it with our limited minds and lineal language. So I'm definetely not saying that I know how is it possible, but I'd say it is. 

Edited Saturday at 02:15 AM by Javfly33

[Inliytened1]

On 12/10/2024 at 10:22 AM, Breakingthewall said:

Anyone reading these conversations will think this is a schizophrenic forum. If he believes that you are imaginary, why does he want to convince you that he is imaginary? Does this make any sense? Furthermore, enlightenment is not knowing that others are imaginary, it is opening yourself to the authentic nature of reality. 

It's knowing they're you! But within the dream we're still interacting with all the characters.  It's what makes it real haha.  But we can still go meta.  Sorry took a week off.

Edited 16 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

It's knowing they're you! But within the dream we're still interacting with all the characters.  It's what makes it real haha.  But we can still go meta.  Sorry took a week off.

When you talk with anyone, do you think that person has not his own experience? 

[Inliytened1]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

When you talk with anyone, do you think that person has not his own experience? 

No not typically.   I'm dreaming.   If I were to go meta while the dream is happening it would interfere with the realness of the dream.  But I am still lucid.  I only choose to be lucid when I choose to be.  Otherwise I lose myself in the dream.  Does that make sense?

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

No not typically.   I'm dreaming.   If I were to go meta while the dream is happening it would interfere with the realness of the dream.  But I am still lucid.  I only choose to be lucid when I choose to be.  Otherwise I lose myself in the dream.  Does that make sense?

Then when you talk when a friend, he has real experience, or not?

[Inliytened1]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then when you talk when a friend, he has real experience, or not?

He is as real as I make him out to be.  

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

He is as real as I make him out to be.  

25 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

That means that he has his own experience depending of you? So, some times he has and another no? Of always he has? 

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That means that he has his own experience depending of you? So, some times he has and another no? Of always he has? 

Whatever you are dreaming is reality.   There is no difference.  

But you see that does make reality a dream.   Until you wake up it's real as day. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Whatever you are dreaming is reality.   There is no difference.  

But you see that does make reality a dream.   Until you wake up it's real as day. 

Then the others have their own experience or not? When you talk with anyone he has experience or not? For example the people that you saw today, have they experience?

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then the others have their own experience or not? When you talk with anyone he has experience or not? For example the people that you saw today, have they experience?

Ok so let me ask you this again.   If a tree falls in the forest but there is no one conscious of it,, does it make any sound?

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Ok so let me ask you this again.   If a tree falls in the forest but there is no one conscious of it,, does it make any sound?

Of course, because it doesn't need that you, a human that believes that is the center of the cosmos is there, the tree itself is infinite conciousness, and the reality itself. A proton is infinite , don't need a ego close to verify that exist