Why solipsism is not Absolute

[gettoefl]

20 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I'm not doubting him.  In fact that's what I literally said ..that he has his own absolute conviction that he knows what's up and that Leo ..Sadhguru..Osho ..Peter  Ralston ..Ranama Maharshi..Robert Adams are ignorant fools .

All I say is that reality and truth are relative and perspectival .

Is it 6 or 9?(see the picture below).

Its both depending on where are you standing. And of course it's not just 6 or 9..if we Zoom into it we shall find all the numbers combined together in that symbol. 

So it's actually infinity.  And only appears as 6 or 9 relative to the observation. 

The truth is not isolated. It's intertwined with the observer.  

When looking for the truth.. One should make a distinction between the  Truth.. And his own truth.  The  Truth is always infinite. While one's own truth is one's own perspective and POV. Always partial

Of course you are familiar with the parable of the elephant and the six blind men ...

As Leo said "the elephant is infinity" its every possible perspective and POV  that it can be looked at from. 

 

You are not getting that it's only you

 

[Someone here]

16 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I never said that but anyone knows that enlightenment is open yourself to the absolute, that is the nature of reality. 

you didn't call those spiritual teachers "clowns "?

And no . Enlightenment is surrendering to God.  Just like the Islamic worship.  I don't know exactly what you mean by " opening ". If we are not splitting hairs then we are talking about the same thing . Otherwise I'm waiting for you to clarify what you mean by that statement. 

 

[Someone here]

7 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

You are not getting that it's only you

 

as in solipsism? 

 

[James123]

11 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Yes; everything to the power of everything

Any thoughts is not it. 

[gettoefl]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

as in solipsism? 

 

Absolute yes.

[Someone here]

5 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Absolute yes.

it might be true but it isnt practical. Even if im god and all alone dreaming up reality ..everything in my relative existence goes against this . People will still call you a basket case if you told them you're God.  But I understand that it can be a good escape when things get hectic and life is throwing lemons at you. Unless you are luicd in a dream..there is no use calling it a dream. 

 

[gettoefl]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

it might be true but it isnt practical. Even if im god and all alone dreaming up reality ..everything in my relative existence goes against this . People will still call you a basket case if you told them you're God.  But I understand that it can be a good escape when things get hectic and life is throwing lemons at you. Unless you are luicd in a dream..there is no use calling it a dream. 

 

You need tell them only if you are unconvinced of it

Lucidity is one step on the journey and still not the end

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

you didn't call those spiritual teachers "clowns "?

And no . Enlightenment is surrendering to God.  Just like the Islamic worship.  I don't know exactly what you mean by " opening ". If we are not splitting hairs then we are talking about the same thing . Otherwise I'm waiting for you to clarify what you mean by that statement. 

 

I never call clown to Ramana maharshi, neither leo , I'm using his forum so I'm thankful, and that Adams I don't know who is him.

What I mean by openness to the absolute is that what we really are is the absolute, but the absolute is not an experience, it is the nature of reality itself, the existence.

Experience is the absolute reflecting on itself infinitely, and this reflection veils the true nature of reality, you perceive yourself as the experience, not the nature of the experience. Opening the experience means accessing a dimension that is hidden by the movement, the absolute dimension or the nature of reality. It is hidden by yourself, by experience, apparent movement.

To open the apparent movement you must stop it as much as possible, go deeper into yourself, then your true nature begins to manifest, it shines through the experience more and more, this is opening yourself to your essential nature.

[Water by the River]

On 9.12.2024 at 6:32 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Fired due low quality! Hehe.  We need more effort here, do our best, push in the direction of enlightenment, nor just "I'm sooooo special" 😉😉

 

Relaxing & retired  with Snoopy by the River 

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Water by the River said:

 

Relaxing & retired  with Snoopy by the River 

 we need serious people with whom we can discuss enlightenment, or perhaps the topic is exhausted? I don't think so. It's just starting. 

[Water by the River]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 we need serious people with whom we can discuss enlightenment, or perhaps the topic is exhausted? I don't think so. It's just starting. 

Don't worry, the Filibusters will be back when required.

People who are too serious probably take also the dream too serious. It needs a balance between full engagement and the lightness of the realization of the dreamlike nature of all appearances & worlds. 

Sometimes Solipsism-aficionados tend to take it all a bit serious... Who or what is all possible shows again? Who or what is trying to convince who or what of Solipsism? If that ain't a cosmic joke delivered by Maya herself I don't know what is.

Smiling with Snoopey & Charlie Brown by the River

 

“TRANSCENDENCE RESTORES HUMOR. Spirit restores humor. Suddenly smiling returns. Too many representatives of too many movements – even many very good movements, such as feminism, environmentalism, meditation, spiritual studies [Solipsism, SWbtR] – seem to lack humor altogether. In other words, they lack lightness, they lack a distance from themselves, a distance from the ego and its grim game of forcing others to conform to its contours... They should all trade two pounds of ego for one ounce of laughter”(Ken Wilber. 1999. One Taste: The Journals of Ken Wilber. December 7).

[Someone here]

On 10/12/2024 at 9:17 PM, gettoefl said:

You need tell them only if you are unconvinced of it

Lucidity is one step on the journey and still not the end

Dude look..get to the point please..I don't like playing endless Zen Coans and riddles..what is your main point? 

[Someone here]

23 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

is that what we really are is the absolute, but the absolute is not an experience, it is the nature of reality itself, the existence.

Aren't experiences part of existence? What is existence if its not an experience? For starter ..the word "absolute " literally means that which has no opposition. So existence is absolute because by definition non-existence does not exist . So how can my human experience right now of existence not be absolute? 

23 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

you must

Where do you find a " must "? Is there a holy book that says what you ought to do ? There are no musts in existence. 

[Loveeee]

When I see members of this forum with thousands of posts still confidently wrong about the basics, what hope is there for my friends and family who don't even care about awakening 

[Breakingthewall]

59 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Aren't experiences part of existence? What is existence if its not an experience?

There is existence beyond the experience, the experience is the manifestation of the absolute. The absolute is not an experience, that the difficult point. It's very difficult to understand , meditation is needed. The absolute is the source of experience, or where experience happens. The experience is the absolute reflecting in itself 

1 minute ago, Loveeee said:

When I see members of this forum with thousands of posts still confidently wrong about the basics, what hope is there for my friends and family who don't even care about awakening 

 you seem a smart one

 

[Someone here]

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

There is existence beyond the experience, the experience is the manifestation of the absolute. The absolute is not an experience, that the difficult point. It's very difficult to understand , meditation is needed. The absolute is the source of experience, or where experience happens. The experience is the absolute reflecting in itself 

 

 

There is nothing but experience.  Check!

The absolute is less real than experience.even If the absolute is god..I don't care ..God is less real than my five senses . You are sacrificing direct experience for a thought story .

[Breakingthewall]

27 minutes ago, Someone here said:

There is nothing but experience.  Check!

The absolute is less real than experience.even If the absolute is god..I don't care ..God is less real than my five senses . You are sacrificing direct experience for a thought story .

You have to open the experience to realize the absolute. You're supposed to be interested in spirituality, right? Why do you think there is an experience? what is its origin? What are you before there was experience? The absolute cannot be thought, you can be open to it, it is like opening a dimension in you that was closed. Why do you think they say that: the tao that can be said is not the true tao? Do you think they were stupid or were they acting interesting? There have been people who have realized the absolute at any time

[Someone here]

29 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why do you think there is an experience? what is its origin? What are you before there was experience?

Great!  Do you know that that's the most important and profound question in all of spirituality...religion...science..and philosophy? Basically why the fuck does anything exist at all ? 

Check my thread here :

Anything said or spoken or written will always remain partial and limited. As existence is Limitless for our present configuration and dimension.. it may remain beyond our comprehension and understanding FOR EVER..AND FOR EVER.
YOU already are the unconditional pre-existing condition FOR A QUESTION TO EMERGE. So..you are already the ANSWER.
 

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Basically why the fuck does anything exist at all ? 

What I said is that there is existence beyond the experience, the experience is a manifestation of the absolute, the absolute is not an experience. You can define the experience, is the movement that happens, the absolute is not happening. Imagine that there is no change, no movement, would be experience? No.  but would be existence? Yes. 

[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What I said is that there is existence beyond the experience, the experience is a manifestation of the absolute, the absolute is not an experience. You can define the experience, is the movement that happens, the absolute is not happening. Imagine that there is no change, no movement, would be experience? No.  but would be existence? Yes. 

Wrong .that's totally backwards . The absolute is being imagined by you as an experience .experience did not and does not come from anywhere. Don't believe me ? If you actually bothered to LOOK and check your direct experience you will see this clearer. 

Then that would also be saying too much. So why are you biased towards the absolute? 

you are leaving it as a superposition of "there is existence without experience and existence with experience ". And what im telling you stop philosophizing and check direct experience.  There is no existence without  experience.  Come the fuck on.