Why solipsism is not Absolute

[Javfly33]

15 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

If there is no objective reality well then.....there's nothing independent of what you're conscious of right now.   

I agree.

But what you are conscious of can have different forms of expressing itself

15 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

It's not that complicated really. It's just a matter of whether you think their are other minds or not.  

It depends on what you mean by minds.

If you mean if I think there are others brains or human bodies, yes, there are.

If by Mind you mean consciousness or reality or etc, yes, there is Only this one. There are not two Realities/consciousness 

[Javfly33]

@Inliytened1 Is as simple as this.

Yesterday I was playing music on my laptop speakers in my room. The fact that you werent conscious of the sound of my speakers does not mean It didnt exist or that the sound was not happening Still in your reality.

If I would have a Magic amplifier that would make the sound a millions times more potent you would have peceived the sound of my speaker from your House.

So my laptop is Still happening in your reality, in your "dream" so to speak. But right now your perception is limited so you can not acccess It. 

Just because you can not perceive Infinity does not mean It does not exist.

What entails to have a body and limited structure is that you can not acccess all of your Infinite Mind. You can become conscious reality is Infinite, but as long as you are attached to a finite configuration of reality, you can not perceive all of It. 

Thats what It means to be inliythtened1 and not javfly33, you are attached to a certain part of Infinity. 

Edited December 10 by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

It must be taken into account here that the only reason why people think that it is impossible for experience to exist outside your field of consciousness is because a YouTube guy has said it with great confidence, stating before that he has a direct line to God, like Muhammad. People are mentally weak, and gullible, so they believe these dogmas of faith and build their mental structure around them

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

It must be taken into account here that the only reason why people think that it is impossible for experience to exist outside your field of consciousness is because a YouTube guy has said it with great confidence, stating before that he has a direct line to God, like Muhammad. People are mentally weak, and gullible, so they believe these dogmas of faith and build their mental structure around them

If a tree falls in the forest with no one around does it make a sound? 

We're talking real possible shit man keep an open mind.  I discovered it directly.   I had the wind of Infinity blow through me so hard I screamed.  I felt like Moses on the mountain after.  Quite a thing.  And I was just meditating in dim light with nothing but a blanket covering me.  It scared the piss outa me this ain't about some you tube dude man we are talking real spirituality. 

Edited December 10 by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

@Inliytened1 Is as simple as this.

Yesterday I was playing music on my laptop speakers in my room. The fact that you werent conscious of the sound of my speakers does not mean It didnt exist or that the sound was not happening Still in your reality.

 

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

@Inliytened1 Is as simple as this.

Yesterday I was playing music on my laptop speakers in my room. The fact that you werent conscious of the sound of my speakers does not mean It didnt exist or that the sound was not happening Still in your reality.

 

 But all this is sourcing from your own reality! You can never escape that.  But if you imagine I would hear it if its loud enough then that becomes your reality.  That's how all of reality is created.  

Wouldn't that be cool if that's how it actually worked! Well..science will never be able to prove otherwise I can tell you that much!

Edited December 10 by Inliytened1

[James123]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

 But all this is sourcing from your own reality! You can never escape that.  But if you imagine I would hear it if its loud enough then that becomes your reality.  That's how all of reality is created.  

Wouldn't that be cool if that's how it actually worked! Well..science will never be able to prove otherwise I can tell you that much!

İt is actually so easy, thoughts or knowing is illusion. Thats it escape is this, don't think or don't know anything. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

If a tree falls in the forest with no one around does it make a sound? 

We're talking real possible shit man keep an open mind.  I discovered it directly.   I had the wind of Infinity blow through me so hard I screamed.  I felt like Moses on the mountain after.  Quite a thing.  And I was just meditating in dim light with nothing but a blanket covering me.  It scared the piss outa me this ain't about some you tube dude man we are talking real spirituality. 

And that experience made you realizing that it's impossible to be experience out of your experience? Why? And why that is important?

Edited December 10 by Breakingthewall

[Javfly33]

28 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

 But all this is sourcing from your own reality! You can never escape that.  But if you imagine I would hear it if its loud enough then that becomes your reality. 

I dont have to imagine It. Vibratory waves of Sound enters your earrings whether you like It or not. 

28 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

That's how all of reality is created.  

Wouldn't that be cool if that's how it actually worked! Well..science will never be able to prove otherwise I can tell you that much!

Ok, you are right. Im imagining and you do not exist. Are You Happy now? 

Forget everything i wrote. Im just trying to not feel Alone in my own consrructued dream. You were right. Got me.

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

And that experience made you realizing that it's impossible to be experience out of your experience? Why? And why that is important?

He wants to win the mental argument because It gives the Mind a sense of control and knowing. Of feeling that you have It all Sort It out. Something that most people dont know because is too radical to Accept, that you are imagining everyone and everything.

Just give It to him...if not he Will not sleep at night peacefully. Not Until you Accept you are imagining him.

[Kuba Powiertowski]

This whole cosmic mind of the solipsists or absolute solipsists is in fact the ego-mind of the solipsist himself trying to convince himself in the end.

[Breakingthewall]

37 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

He wants to win the mental argument because It gives the Mind a sense of control and knowing. Of feeling that you have It all Sort It out. Something that most people dont know because is too radical to Accept, that you are imagining everyone and everything.

Just give It to him...if not he Will not sleep at night peacefully. Not Until you Accept you are imagining him.

Anyone reading these conversations will think this is a schizophrenic forum. If he believes that you are imaginary, why does he want to convince you that he is imaginary? Does this make any sense? Furthermore, enlightenment is not knowing that others are imaginary, it is opening yourself to the authentic nature of reality. 

[James123]

The real question is how one knows himself is not imaginary in first place?

[Someone here]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

it is opening yourself to the authentic nature of reality.

 Are you aware of something..that everyone lives in their own bubble reality? No two humans on the entire planet have the same perception of a chocolate bar ..let alone the nature of reality or what constitutes enlightenment. 

Some people think think enlightenment is simply realising the ego is illusory. Leo thinks it's about realizing that you are god . You think it's "opening your legs to the full glory of the existence "(whatever the hell that means ). I think its killing yourself mentally and surrendering your entire existence to god . Who's to determine which definition is correct? You ? That would be begging the question.  Just truly to humble yourself and tone down your absolutist confidence in these matters .

 

[gettoefl]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

 Are you aware of something..that everyone lives in their own bubble reality? No two humans on the entire planet have the same perception of a chocolate bar ..let alone the nature of reality or what constitutes enlightenment. 

Some people think think enlightenment is simply realising the ego is illusory. Leo thinks it's about realizing that you are god . You think it's "opening your legs to the full glory of the existence "(whatever the hell that means ). I think its killing yourself mentally and surrendering your entire existence to god . Who's to determine which definition is correct? You ? That would be begging the question.  Just truly to humble yourself and tone down your absolutist confidence in these matters .

 

You have to taste for yourself and he demonstrates beyond a doubt that he did

[gettoefl]

15 minutes ago, James123 said:

The real question is how one knows himself is not imaginary in first place?

Knowing is duality

Instead: Experiment, Experience, Expire (to zero), and finally Expand (to infinity)

[James123]

18 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Knowing is duality

Instead: Experiment, Experience, Expire (to zero), and finally Expand (to infinity)

Any word is duality. 

[gettoefl]

13 minutes ago, James123 said:

Any word is duality. 

I presented the exit strategy

[James123]

4 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

I presented the exit strategy

No, infinity is an another illusion.

[Someone here]

44 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

You have to taste for yourself and he demonstrates beyond a doubt that he did

I'm not doubting him.  In fact that's what I literally said ..that he has his own absolute conviction that he knows what's up and that Leo ..Sadhguru..Osho ..Peter  Ralston ..Ranama Maharshi..Robert Adams are ignorant fools .

All I say is that reality and truth are relative and perspectival .

Is it 6 or 9?(see the picture below).

Its both depending on where are you standing. And of course it's not just 6 or 9..if we Zoom into it we shall find all the numbers combined together in that symbol. 

So it's actually infinity.  And only appears as 6 or 9 relative to the observation. 

The truth is not isolated. It's intertwined with the observer.  

When looking for the truth.. One should make a distinction between the  Truth.. And his own truth.  The  Truth is always infinite. While one's own truth is one's own perspective and POV. Always partial

Of course you are familiar with the parable of the elephant and the six blind men ...

As Leo said "the elephant is infinity" its every possible perspective and POV  that it can be looked at from. 

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

not doubting him.  In fact that's what I literally said ..that he has his own absolute conviction that he knows what's up and that Leo ..Sadhguru..Osho ..Peter  Ralston ..Ranama Maharshi..Robert Adams are ignorant fools .

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

 

I never said that but anyone knows that enlightenment is open yourself to the absolute, that is the nature of reality. 

[gettoefl]

23 minutes ago, James123 said:

No, infinity is an another illusion.

Yes; everything to the power of everything