Why solipsism is not Absolute

[Razard86]

This video can help you realize that no matter how much you zoom in or out, you are always the Absolute.

This is what it means when it says you are the Universe and when your human self dies you take the Whole Universe with you. There is only ONE AUDIENCE, ONE CREATOR, ONE EXPERIENCER, AND ONE EXPERIENCE.

Edited Sunday at 03:41 PM by Razard86

[Javfly33]

I can´t help but to laugh at the thought that an important quantity of people here do believe their room is the whole of reality or that what they see with their eyes is all that exists right now.

Truly hysterical. But here we are debating it regularly 🤣🤣

[Water by the River]

5 hours ago, Razard86 said:

This is what it means when it says you are the Universe and when your human self dies you take the Whole Universe with you.

 

Sitting with Snoopy & Charlie Brown by the River

 

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

I can´t help but to laugh at the thought that an important quantity of people here do believe their room is the whole of reality or that what they see with their eyes is all that exists right now.

Truly hysterical. But here we are debating it regularly 🤣🤣

There is a big, total difference between: only I exist and I exist. The first is in the land of the mind, because "only" is relative, it's in opposition of "others", then it's a shell that encapsules you. In the other hand, I exist is absolute, there is not opposite, and you can totally open yourself to it without limits. That's meditation, remove the limits. 

At the end everything is about how much encapsulate are you. The objective is no capsule, absolutely open. 

Edited Sunday at 09:22 PM by Breakingthewall

[Javfly33]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

There is a big, total difference between: only I exist and I exist. The first is in the land of the mind, because "only" is relative, it's in opposition of "others", then it's a shell that encapsules you. In the other hand, I exist is absolute, there is not opposite, and you can totally open yourself to it without limits. That's meditation, remove the limits. 

At the end everything is about how much encapsulate are you. The objective is no capsule, absolutely open. 

Yeah only or alone is in relation to the notion of 'others', so at that point you already are experiencing others as a duality or something outside of you. 

At that point whether you say I am one with them or they do not exist, both perspectives solve nothing. Because you are trying to stitch with the intellect something that you previously cut with the intellect too.

Like trying to stitch some trousers with a knife that you previously cut .... with the same knife.

Edited Monday at 08:52 AM by Javfly33

[Jirh]

@zurew When I say intuition, I don't mean a theoretical possibility. A theoretical possibility is more intellectual, such as the possibilities you've mentioned. That's not at all what I'm pointing to.

I'm pointing to something rather simple and more basic than imagined, and in that light, logic or the intellect kind of stands in the way. The intellect is used to think in ways that hinder one's ability to see other possibilities that can be sitting right in front of you.

So, when I say intuition, I don't mean a hypothetical outlandish theory that is theoretically possible (regardless of likelihood). Rather, I mean what comes to you directly in your own lived experience, your hunch, gut feeling, or your first impressions (primitive understanding so to speak).

For example, what is your first intuition about the shape of the earth? The honest answer is flat earth. Now, whether that's factually correct or not, and how useful or helpful it is for navigating through life, is a different matter. The point is not to fantasize or create alien models of what reality might be. The point is the opposite of that. In other words, your direct lived experience. How do you feel as a first-person or a conscious living agent through this thing called life? Do you experience the earth as a round thing? Or as a "flat" surface? (I'm using quotations here to note that it's not technically flat even in direct experience, but just to simplify our conversation).

All I'm saying is that if you apply the same thinking to solipsism, you might find out something of value in there, regardless of how technically/absolutely true or how useful or helpful it might be.

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Yeah only or alone is in relation to the notion of 'others', so at that point you already are experiencing others as a duality or something outside of you. 

At that point whether you say I am one with them or they do not exist, both perspectives solve nothing. Because you are trying to stitch with the intellect something that you previously cut with the intellect too.

Like trying to stitch some trousers with a knife that you previously cut .... with the same knife.

Good point, you can't dissolve your conceptual sistem with more concepts about what existence is. you can't get out of the mind with greater concepts like solipsism or god, it's impossible. Anything that defines closes, and "I'm imagining the others" implies a lot of definition. 

Edited Monday at 02:11 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

20 hours ago, Water by the River said:

 

Sitting with Snoopy & Charlie Brown by the River

 

Fired due low quality! Hehe.  We need more effort here, do our best, push in the direction of enlightenment, nor just "I'm sooooo special" 😉😉

[Inliytened1]

On 12/7/2024 at 6:19 AM, Davino said:

It is true, that's what I care

It is so, the first plunge is cold

That's the juice of LIFE

The challenge, the struggle, the limitation

Only God can satisfy God

That's the only thing that scratches the itch

It's not for everyone

 

[Inliytened1]

On 12/8/2024 at 0:15 PM, Javfly33 said:

I can´t help but to laugh at the thought that an important quantity of people here do believe their room is the whole of reality or that what they see with their eyes is all that exists right now.

Truly hysterical. But here we are debating it regularly 🤣🤣

If there is no objective reality well then.....there's nothing independent of what you're conscious of right now.   It's not that complicated really. It's just a matter of whether you think their are other minds or not.  That's really for someone to discover and validate on their own via awakening.  But I can tell you this even Leo's video on Infinity of God's relies on the same mechanisms that your dream relies on.  If you imagine other minds are real they will be real to you.   You'll never be able to escape that everything sources from YOUR own mind.   And that's how all of reality functions.  

Edited Monday at 08:58 PM by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

25 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

If there is no objective reality well then.....there's nothing independent of what you're conscious of right now.   It's not that complicated really. It's just a matter of whether you think their are other minds or not. 

How to explain you that this is a differentiation that happens in the conceptual mind and that has meaning only in the dimension of the conceptual mind? Awakening is out of any dimension, is where dimension happen. A lot of meditation is needed to start understanding what is the conceptual mind. 

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

How to explain you that this is a differentiation that happens in the conceptual mind and that has meaning only in the dimension of the conceptual mind? Awakening is out of any dimension, is where dimension happen. A lot of meditation is needed to start understanding what is the conceptual mind. 

Are you saying that conceptualizing about awakening isn't the actual thing?  Of course not but these are things you can discover ACTUALLY in a non-dual state or a state or no-self.   Why are you demonizing concept? After all concept and actual is a duality!! So again you sound just like the neo-advaitan bunch.  Or maybe you need the non-duality trap bear video.  I'll have to find it and show to you.

 

[Breakingthewall]

12 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Like trying to stitch some trousers with a knife that you previously cut .... with the same knife.

Exactly, and more than that, if you cut the trousers, you don't want to stitch them, you want to be naked, not dressed with a modified trousers. For me it's astonishing who's possible that here, in a spirituality forum, nobody understands what spirituality is about. All people want to have a spiritual trousers, and no, you have to be naked. Naked means absolutely open. In the absolute openess the absolute reality manifests, but here people want to "know" the absolute reality 

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Are you saying that conceptualizing about awakening isn't the actual thing?  Of course not but these are things you can discover ACTUALLY in a non-dual state or a state or no-self.   Why are you demonizing concept? After all concept and actual is a duality!! So again you sound just like the neo-advaitan bunch.  Or maybe you need the non-duality trap bear video.  I'll have to find it and show to you.

 

It's because you don't understand what awakening is. For you is a kind of realization that you are god , that happened to you after listening a video where leo explained that you are god. Believe me, you can't even imagine the path that you have to walk, you didn't even started! It's so obvious to me. But you can't understand me, then, I'm not going to tell you more things directly.

[Inliytened1]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's because you don't understand what awakening is. For you is a kind of realization that you are god , that happened to you after listening a video where leo explained that you are god. Believe me, you can't even imagine the path that you have to walk, you didn't even started! It's so obvious to me. But you can't understand me, then, I'm not going to tell you more things directly.

Well look - each of us walk their  own path.  Awakening for you is what it is for you.  Just because I didn't start your path doesn't mean I didn't find it in my own way.  The discussion here was whether there are other minds.   Well to me If there isn't a self how can there be other, Absolutely speaking.   If you don't want to talk about that then maybe this isn't the thread for you.   I am not saying you aren't awake, so please have the same respect.  Obviously you have been here for a number of years and you have a lot of good positive constructive things to say here.  So it is appreciated. I apologize for insinuating that you didn't have any awakenings.  I'm sure you have.  This is just a very specialized topic about awakening per se.

Edited Tuesday at 02:04 AM by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

22 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

The discussion here was whether there are  other minds

Ok, sorry for what I said. Do you want words? Let's see if you or anyone can follow me (I'm humble I know)

Well, the point here is "mind". That's the problem. In Leo's ideosyncrasy, reality is a mind because he identifies himself as a mind and therefore reality is an infinite mind and the things that appear in that mind are thoughts in the mind, and therefore not real, are  "only" thoughts. Well, this is not like that. For anything to appear there must be duality, and any duality is the absolute reflecting on itself.

It is impossible for it to be anything else because only the absolute exists. So, for a thought to appear, the absolute must be looking at itself, this means that a thought or a stone or the universe are equally real, because they are all the absolute reflecting on itself.

Consciousness is the fact that the absolute is reflected in itself. So you, what you perceive as you, are not a mind nor are you the absolute, you are a reflection, nothing more. you are the reflection. awakening is opening the reflection and realizing that you are not really the experience, you are not "mind", you are the absolute, and this is not definable or thoughtful. It's not happening, it's not conciousness, it's not a mind. 

Then, when you say: only me exist and others are imaginary, you don't understand that imaginary means nothing, everything that appears is a reflection, and it's created by infinite other reflections. What you are as an experience, this reflection, is one between infinite others. What you are as absolute is always the same absolute, the reality, the totality, but this is not an experience, it's not happening and it's not possible to understand, because understanding happens in it, understanding is a movement, a reflection, an experience . The only thing that you can do is open yourself, the experience, and let the absolute manifests. That's all, and this is enlightenment 

Edited Monday at 09:56 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

In fact, the absolute is not a void, is not infinite, unfathomable, spacious, enormous, smart, or anything. The absolute is impossible to think, impossible to define, but is absolutely you. It's nothing and everything same time, because it's not dimensional, but all the dimensions happen in it. You, the experience, are a dimension. Understanding is a dimension, there are infinite dimensions. No one can define of encompass the absolute, because are arising that happens in it. 

Why do you think that they say: the tao that can be talking is not the real tao, and bla blah? Because they are dumb? They knew what they were talking about. Open yourself is overcome the experience. You are talking of the experience, all that about solipsism is experience, is the useless trial of define the reality with a sistem that arises in the reality. It's completely imposible 

Edited Monday at 10:20 PM by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

35 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Ok, sorry for what I said. Do you want words? Let's see if you or anyone can follow me (I'm humble I know)

Well, the point here is "mind". That's the problem. In Leo's ideosyncrasy, reality is a mind because he identifies himself as a mind and therefore reality is an infinite mind and the things that appear in that mind are thoughts in the mind, and therefore not real, are  "only" thoughts. Well, this is not like that. For anything to appear there must be duality, and any duality is the absolute reflecting on itself.

It is impossible for it to be anything else because only the absolute exists. So, for a thought to appear, the absolute must be looking at itself, this means that a thought or a stone or the universe are equally real, because they are all the absolute reflecting on itself.

Consciousness is the fact that the absolute is reflected in itself. So you, what you perceive as you, are not a mind nor are you the absolute, you are a reflection, nothing more. you are the reflection. awakening is opening the reflection and realizing that you are not really the experience, you are not "mind", you are the absolute, and this is not definable or thoughtful. It's not happening, it's not conciousness, it's not a mind. 

Then, when you say: only me exist and others are imaginary, you don't understand that imaginary means nothing, everything that appears is a reflection, and it's created by infinite other reflections. What you are as an experience, this reflection, is one between infinite others. What you are as absolute is always the same absolute, the reality, the totality, but this is not an experience, it's not happening and it's not possible to understand, because understanding happens in it, understanding is a movement, a reflection, an experience 

We're saying the same thing in different ways. I don't say only me exists I am saying only the Absolute exists. The thing is to realize what you are saying you have to break away from the materialist paradigm which states that you aren't the Absolute, but that you are a physical biological entity and that you are in a physical universe with external objects.   Hence the duality of self and other.  So when I say we are a mind I am saying that to differentiate between the materialist paradigm or physical paradigm vs consciousness being the paradigm in which all is One making it Absolute.    This isn't just Leo  this is anyone who can discover it.  

Edited Monday at 10:28 PM by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

So when I say we are a mind I am

Well, as I see, The mind is the reflection of the absolute in itself, not the absolute. The absolute is nothing, as james say, but it's everything, because it's the total potential. You can't perceive the absolute, you can be open to it, that is , open to yourself. Perception is in the absolute, is the reflection.

But anyway, Im sorry for being idiot saying that of you are not awake , etx . We seem arrogant retarded saying those things (I use to be, I can't avoid the arrogant preach, sound so messianic, I love it🤣). This is very personal, the best is explain ourselves and maybe someone could resonate and share the same vision 

[Inliytened1]

35 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well, as I see, The mind is the reflection of the absolute in itself, not the absolute. The absolute is nothing, as james say, but it's everything, because it's the total potential. You can't perceive the absolute, you can be open to it, that is , open to yourself. Perception is in the absolute, is the reflection.

But anyway, Im sorry for being idiot saying that of you are not awake , etx . We seem arrogant retarded saying those things (I use to be, I can't avoid the arrogant preach, sound so messianic, I love it🤣). This is very personal, the best is explain ourselves and maybe someone could resonate and share the same vision 

Ahh no worries man - yeah man a lot of it is saying the same things in different ways.  Language is funny like that.  It's all good.   You're very beloved here...I just wish i had as much time to spend here as you do!

Yeah but for the Absolute for me you can't perceive it or think it you just become it.  You become the Absolute.   You always were the absolute but your state of Consciousness actually expands to become the totality of the Absolute.   Or God.  

Edited Monday at 11:05 PM by Inliytened1