Why solipsism is not Absolute

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Imaginary is a mental concept 😭

Look, I know that you think that you are enlightened and that, but the first step to open yourself to the real thing is erase all differentiations. Imaginary vs real is a differentiation

You made my case then.  If imaginary vs real collapse there is nothing.  Right ?  So is other still there after there is nothing? No man..there's just Being.  That's all that was there and that's all that will ever be.  Being.  And Being is right now.  So anything we can safely say is held within Being.  That is duality and form.  Its form.  It's imaginary.   Real vs imaginary is relative to certain definitions of what you consider real and imaginary to be. But in the Absolute sense imaginary means form.

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You made my case then.  If imaginary vs real collapse there is nothing.  Right ?  So is other still there after there is nothing? No man..there's just Being.  That's all that was there and that's all that will ever be.  Being.  And Being is right now.  So anything we can safely say is held within Being.  That is duality and form.  Its form.  It's imaginary.   Real vs imaginary is relative to certain definitions of what you consider real and imaginary to be. But in the Absolute sense imaginary means form.

"Just being" is again a conceptual idea. "Only" vs "more than only". It is still attachment to the mind. Non duality is not enlightenment, enlightenment is realize what reality is, and it's out of the time, of the space, of the ideas and of anything, it's absolute, and it's impossible to describe because any description happens in it. This is not woo woo to appear interesting, it's the real thing "being" is a description, absolute being suggest something that is happening, the absolute is not happening. You only can open yourself to it, not think in it

[Breakingthewall]

On 3/12/2024 at 8:22 PM, Inliytened1 said:

That's a huge deal.  That means that reality is not made of matter.   That changes everything.   So then there is either separate consciousness running around completely isolated or all of those "other consciousnesses" are actually held within your Own!!  Wow.

That is changing one meaning for another meaning. Before the reality was made of matter, now it's mental, another definition. Both are ideas, differentiations that the logical mind does. The mind of a fetus couldn't do this, only a mind that learned concepts along a human life and then make that differentiation that means absolutely nothing, like anything else. The reality is the absolute. In the absolute any dimension could happen, this differentiation is just a dimension that happens in the absolute among infinite other dimensions that you, the mental dimensión, couldn't even intuit. 

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

You see a guy on the street and you think: he's not real. and? What is the difference with: it's real? You are making that difference 🤣. Means absolutely nothing. You are operating in the realm of the meaning and pretending that you are enlightened, it's extremely funny, you are still in the first step, if you would realize the obvious you would think: oh my god 🤣

Yeah, I´m not sure the point of all this.

He wants me to accept that he is imaginary or I am dreaming him? Jesus...fine, if it makes you happy.

By the way @Inliytened1 since you are imaginary If I ever saw you by the street you will not care if I slap you right? I mean after all you are not real, right? 😎

You know what? I'll make you a punching bag so @Breakingthewall and I can practice some boxing, after all is my dream and I'm dreaming you both so who cares.

[Javfly33]

5 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Does one end when the body dies or do they all just become separate formlessness after? If so where are they? How are they separate if space is imaginary?  Isn't "where" a term we can't use here?  Ok so they just are.  And it doesn't make any logical sense.  But then that would mean we can't understand Absolute Truth.   But if we are God who else would be able to finally understand it?

I´m not sure where you want to arrive with this.

 Like I´m not sure what you want me to say...you want me to convince myself that you do not exist? 

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Other is in your present moment now.  And when you awaken the duality of self and other does collapse.  So we can talk about it all day but ultimately it will be revealed with awakening.  Both self and other is in your present moment even now.  

 

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

You know what? I'll make you a punching bag so @Breakingthewall and I can practice some boxing, after all is my dream and I'm dreaming you both so who cares.

I imagine the scene like this: inligthened is tied to a post without his shirt on and we wield two whips ending in lead balls. We alternate whips so that it is not too exhausting, and after each one we shout: Do I exist? and he answers: noooooo. lash. I exist? nooooooo. until he admits it or die. I think he would die

 

[Breakingthewall]

First step in spirituality: detaching of the concept. What is a concept? Anything that has any meaning. What meaning? Any. 

Then your mind is not solid anymore, it's fluid. Fluid means that there are no barriers. The barriers are made of meaning, without meaning nothing is limited or defined. Then you abandon the superficial layer, solid, and enter in the liquid dimension. The liquid dimension is not enlightenment, is absence of limitations, freedom and absence of contraction and mental suffering. But that's not enlightenment. Enlightenment is open the human experience, stop it for a moment and let the absolute manifests. The absolute is unthinkable, impossible to remember,.but possible to intuit. The absolute has no dimension, is not happening, is not big or small, is what reality is, and absolutely nothing could be said about it except that it's absolute. 

[Inliytened1]

35 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Yeah, I´m not sure the point of all this.

He wants me to accept that he is imaginary or I am dreaming him? Jesus...fine, if it makes you happy.

By the way @Inliytened1 since you are imaginary If I ever saw you by the street you will not care if I slap you right? I mean after all you are not real, right? 😎

You know what? I'll make you a punching bag so @Breakingthewall and I can practice some boxing, after all is my dream and I'm dreaming you both so who cares.

Haha.  This is why I typically don't entertain these types of conversations but since I haven't in a while I don't mind.  Dude..imaginary just means reality is made of dream stuff..of mind stuff. It doesn't make any other person any more or any less real.  They are just mind stuff. It's no different than you being in a night time dream and interacting with the people in your dream.   You are imagining they are real just as you are imagining the dream is real.  And while you are dreaming, unless you are lucid dreaming, that is your reality.  That dream is all you know and you don't even know it's a dream.  It just IS reality.  But then....then..you wake up.  And wow! Holy fuck.   You realize that everything that happened was just a fucking dream.   And none of it matters the least tiny bit.  And all of the people and animals you were interacting with - they were all just projections of your own mind. 

Well..this thing..this thing you're in right now?  It's precisely the same thing.  

That's the claim from me but find out for yourself if you fucking dare.  It's worth it - but you may never be the same when you come back.

Edited Friday at 10:30 PM by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Haha.  This is why I typically don't entertain these types of conversations but since I haven't in a while I don't mind.  Dude..imaginary just means reality is made of dream stuff..of mind stuff. It doesn't make any other person any more or any less real.  They are just mind stuff. It's no different than you being in a night time dream and interacting with the people in your dream.   You are imagining they are real just as you are imagining the dream is real.  And while you are dreaming, unless you are lucid dreaming, that is your reality.  That dream is all you know and you don't even know it's a dream.  It just IS reality.  But then....then..you wake up.  And wow! Holy fuck.   You realize that everything that happened was just a fucking dream.   And none of it matters the least tiny bit.  And all of the people and animals you were interacting with - they were all just projections of your own mind. 

Well..this thing..this thing you're in right now?  It's precisely the same thing.  

Don't you realize that everything that you said above are mental classifications?

[Inliytened1]

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Don't you realize that everything that you said above are mental classifications?

Elaborate.  I was pointing out the difference between physicalism and idealism.  And what the true nature of reality is.  Of course it's mental if im claiming everything is mental! Nothing happens In a brain bro.  And..furthermore there is nothing outside of your immediate perceptual field right now.  Nothing.  Your perceptual field if you want to call it that Is literally all there is to reality.  It's not really "yours" because there isn't a self.  But you're arguing with a figment of your imagination.   So I hope you get a kick out of it! 

Edited Friday at 10:45 PM by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Elaborate.  I was pointing out the difference between physicalism and idealism.  And what the true nature of reality is.  Of course it's mental if im claiming everything is mental! Nothing happens In a brain bro.  There is nothing outside of your immediate perceptual field right now.  Nothing.  Your perceptual field if you want to call it that Is literally all there is to reality.  And you're arguing with a figment of your imagination.   So I hope you get a kick out of it! 

All that are mental ideas. Could be true or not, but are just mental ideas with a meaning. If you operate in the land of the meaning, you are trapped. The difference between "product of my imagination" or "real" , it's a mental idea that I can do with my learned mental structure, a tuna can't do it. You can do a step and let the mental ideas in another dimension, then nothing means nothing, there is no meaning. And there, in the no meaning land, you could start to open yourself to the real thing 

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

All that are mental ideas. Could be true or not, but are just mental ideas with a meaning. If you operate in the land of the meaning, you are trapped. The difference between "product of my imagination" or "real" , it's a mental idea that I can do with my learned mental structure, a tuna can't do it. You can do a step and let the mental ideas in another dimension, then nothing means nothing, there is no meaning. And there, in the no meaning land, you could start to open yourself to the real thing 

Yeah well no thank you. I know my own path and it took the mind.  I think you're leading people down the wrong path like those neo-advaitans. 

Edited Friday at 10:50 PM by Inliytened1

[Razard86]

11 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yeah well no thank you. I know my own path and it took the mind.  I think you're leading people down the wrong path like those neo-advaitans. 

He means well but he hasn't progressed far enough yet is the only issue. He doesn't understand that the NO SELF=The SELF yet. If you don't understand that the Little self is =THE SELF and can only ever understand itself in relation to THE SELF then you will demonize all conceptual knowledge not realizing that the little self = A Concept. So the little self cannot escape its concepts....because all it is made of is actualized concepts.

Edited Friday at 11:00 PM by Razard86

[Inliytened1]

17 hours ago, Razard86 said:

He means well but he hasn't progressed far enough yet is the only issue. He doesn't understand that the NO SELF=The SELF yet. If you don't understand that the Little self is =THE SELF and can only ever understand itself in relation to THE SELF then you will demonize all conceptual knowledge not realizing that the little self = A Concept. So the little self cannot escape its concepts....because all it is made of is actualized concepts.

Well he's right that concepts won't get you there.  But one should be careful to also not mistake enlightenment as a concept too.  It's a very tricky trap to fall into.  Solispsim was one of the final awakenings for me - so it's very difficult to talk about and mostly I just choose not to.  It's a lot easier to grasp if you've had some basic awakenings such as no self and the like.  It's almost pointless to argue with someone about it.  

Edited Saturday at 04:03 PM by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

Im telling how to open yourself to the absolute, if you don't want to understand or accept, even consider, it's your decision. Maybe someone understand. In the future I will explain better I think 

 The only problem is that it's impossible defining enlightenment except: it's open yourself to the absolute, or open the absolute in yourself. Then people don't understand or they think that it's a lie. And I don't do that every day, but sometimes yes and I intuit it close many moments in the day. Let's see where it leads. 

[Princess Arabia]

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

open

Hey there.

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Hey there.

Yes , the experience has to be opened to the absolute manifests 

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, Razard86 said:

doesn't understand that the NO SELF=The SELF yet. If you don't understand that the Little self is =THE SELF and can only ever understand itself in relation to THE SELF then you will demonize all conceptual knowledge not realizing that the little self = A Concept.

Its Not a matter about self, It is the manifestation of the absolute. the absolute is not a self, the self occurs in it. The absolute is what reality is, and it cannot be defined because definitions occur in it. All that solipsism is an idea that occurs in the absolute, not the absolute. The absolute cannot be thought, said, understood, only open yourself to it and realize that you are it and you have always been it, it is existence. It hasn't dimension, it's not infinite or finite, it's absolute. Absolute implies infinity, and anything else. 

[Davino]

20 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

You do not want to realize the collapse of self and other.  It is horrifying.

It is true, that's what I care

21 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

 Because you will realize that you are completely alone and that is a radical recontextualization of everything you have ever known.

It is so, the first plunge is cold

21 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

You will spend the rest of your life as an ego forgetting about awakening.   And desperately wanting other to be real, and so it is 

That's the juice of LIFE

The challenge, the struggle, the limitation

21 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

On the flip side there is massive bliss and tears and love and Divinity.

Only God can satisfy God

That's the only thing that scratches the itch

21 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

But ego death is a part of it and it cannot be helped.  Ego death and the realization that you are God is a double edged blade.

It's not for everyone

[Davino]

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Imaginary is a mental concept 😭

No. Dead wrong

Imagination is Consciousness

The Infinite Field of Reality is Imagining this moment and every limitation

this is your own doing

who else is there to do it?

You tell me

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The fact of Infinity demands your own finitude and delusion. How I trick myself, that's the paradox of Life. Imagination is the mechanism by which the whole Universe exists, Infinite Mind imagines; this moment is it's perfect workings. I'm literally revealing the whole mechanism of Reality and some people dare to claim imagination is a mental concept. The total openess you talk is egoic dissolution and perfect oneness, congratulation. When we talk about Imagination we are expressing the engine by which the whole of Reality ticks. How come do you come back after the 5meo trip? have you wondered the mechanism by which one happens and this happens and all happens?

Imagination is the Answer

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It's in fact Imagination what represents the feminine side of consciousness, the whole of Maya is explained by manifestation, literally it's the opposite of Consciousness and identical to it. The inverse of Trascendence is Imagination, both axis must be realized for peace to be cognised in the Dream and in God-Mode.

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Will anyone understand what's been stated? I don't care