Why solipsism is not Absolute

[Jirh]

@zurew I wholeheartedly agree with what you said. And I would argue that it is mostly innocent confusion rather than intended obfuscation that's happening on the other side.

And while I think you're absolutely right, and agree with the entirety of your line of reasoning, as it's absolutely sound and correct, I still feel like there's something missing there. I feel that you hold an intellectual space that is not particularly curious for all possibilities, without attaching to one particular possibility, which is good, but when everything is equally possible, such that it nullifies the essence of what each possibility might contain and bring about in actual experience through intuition, then something feels off for me. Notice that I'm not advocating for solipsism or otherwise any other particular view. Rather, I'm saying there is a deep value in entertaining each possibility on its own, even if it's not 100% logically consistent, and to be more frank and perhaps extreme, I would say even if it's not logically coherent at all. Are you okay with that level of extreme?

[Inliytened1]

On 11/22/2024 at 3:14 AM, Javfly33 said:

@Carl-Richard Good point!

For solipsism to exist first you have to create the concept knowing of there is 'me here' and 'there are others out there'.

And then you have to decide others are not real or imaginary for solipsism to be true. 

So 2 conceptual steps ahead in the mind, nothing related with what spirituality is.

Right it is the collapse of self and other which you as God created.   But you're still a Mind!  It's still a shock to see that everything is held within your Mind and that there is no objective reality!!!  That's a huge deal.  That means that reality is not made of matter.   That changes everything.   So then there is either separate consciousness running around completely isolated or all of those "other consciousnesses" are actually held within your Own!!  Wow.  Infinity of Gods just debunked itself.  Its funny how Leo debunks it himself WHILE doing the episode.

[zurew]

16 minutes ago, Jirh said:

Are you okay with that level of extreme?

Yes, but the consideration of all possibilities can be done in an honest and rigorous and clear and meaningful way. 

For example, even when it comes to terms like "possibility" , its often times unclear what is meant by it. Generally philosophers use it in a way, where they talk about possible worlds, where possible means logical possibility (worlds that abide by the law of non-contradiction). There is an infinite number of worlds like that (we are talking about multiple infinities nested within each other). An endless variety of worlds, each with different laws of physics and each with different metaphysical principles. You have worlds where materialism is true, others where idealism is true. You could even include Leo’s “Infinity of Gods” video within this possibility set. There are also worlds without any conscious agents in them—and much more.

But you can go even further and propose the existence of "impossible worlds." These are worlds that violate the classical laws of logic—most notably, the law of non-contradiction. In such worlds, you might find objects that are fully round and fully square at the same time, worlds where materialism and idealism are both true simultaneously, or worlds where solipsism is both true and false at the same time (not in the way how Razard plays with his words, but in an actual sense).

I think impossible worlds are mostly nonsensical and lead us down the road of gibberish really fast, but they are still interesting and useful in edge cases .

[ChrisZoZo]

When we do logic it’s linear but god does logic it’s infinite absolutely infinite. All possibilities are explored. Infinitely meta thus he KNOWS he is the only one that exists absolutely. 
 

When you have a solipsism realisation it can be imbued with absolute truth. This is god basically telepathically communicating to you that solipsism is absolutely correct.  Because absolutely any possibility that could ever possibly exist he knows then he knows. So he is correct on this understanding. 
 

If you have a realisation that is in imbued with absolute truth you feel the power of absolute truth and you realise it’s one of the most powerful things that can be obtained in consciousness. 

[JoshB]

12 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Right it is the collapse of self and other which you as God created.   But you're still a Mind!  It's still a shock to see that everything is held within your Mind and that there is no objective reality!!!  That's a huge deal.  That means that reality is not made of matter.   That changes everything.   So then there is either separate consciousness running around completely isolated or all of those "other consciousnesses" are actually held within your Own!!  Wow.  Infinity of Gods just debunked itself.  Its funny how Leo debunks it himself WHILE doing the episode.

It's even more radical, profound, and insane then that. 

Yes, he said it deepened and showed him the Absolute nature of solipsism even more. But I took it away as because there are an infinite amount of infinities. 

God can create an infinite number of copies of itself. All completely sovereign. 

Infinity of God(s) 

Would have been a more appropriate title.

[Inliytened1]

On 12/4/2024 at 1:41 AM, JoshB said:

It's even more radical, profound, and insane then that. 

Yes, he said it deepened and showed him the Absolute nature of solipsism even more. But I took it away as because there are an infinite amount of infinities. 

God can create an infinite number of copies of itself. All completely sovereign. 

Infinity of God(s) 

Would have been a more appropriate title.

The question is, can it be happening simultaneously.  The problem is at the Absolute sense there is no time.  Everything happens now.  Right now in the present moment.  And there is only one now.  Any other nows are you imagining them.  Why would God go though all that juggling of a billion, a gazillion existences simultaneously when there is no time or space to put them in.  And it's not necessary. And even for him infinite juggling would probably suck.

 

Edited December 6 by Inliytened1

[JoshB]

12 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

The question is, can it be happening simultaneously.  The problem is at the Absolute sense there is no time.  Everything happens now.  Right now in the present moment.  And there is only one now.  Any other nows are you imagining them.  Why would God go though all that juggling of a billion, a gazillion existences simultaneously when there is no time or space to put them in.  And it's not necessary. And even for him infinite juggling would probably suck.

 

My first awakening was on shrooms when I was 16. I realized that now is all there is. 

Ofc all other moments other then now are just partitions of your mind. But I  can't help but awe at the nature of infinity. 

Any distinction made seems to me to be relative. So the true Nature of Absolute Infinity can never be known, but you can realize you are it.

I don't see why leo would go out of his way to teach that if there wasn't something there.

So I keep an open mind. Even though I totally completely agree and understand where you are coming from. 

@Inliytened1

 

[Javfly33]

13 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

The question is, can it be happening simultaneously. 

Of course, why wouldn't? 

That´s what Infinite means, that it has infinite space to hold all possibilities of the mind  

Edited December 6 by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Of course, why wouldn't? 

That´s what Infinite means, that it has infinite space to hold all possibilities of the mind  

You are imagining the others!! Awake, fucking idiot son of a prostitute who works sucking cocks from beggars in Bombay!!!

Sorry, don't get offended, it's not personal, I couldn't avoid , ah the good old times. I miss 

Edited December 6 by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Of course, why wouldn't? 

That´s what Infinite means, that it has infinite space to hold all possibilities of the mind  

But what is the definition of simultaneous?  It is multiple things happening at the same time.

But you see, time and space, and language and the word simultaneously...all of that is being imagined by Consciousness or God.  All of that is fabricated.  So you can't use finite tools or finite words within the dream to capture the dream itself - as it is Infinite.  It's like asking for proof of Infinity when proof is a subset of infinity.  Same thing here.  So simultaneously or time is a subset.  If you actually sit down and do self inquiry you can actually discover through a shift in consciousness that you are not a self but rather you are the whole of Consciousness itself.   You are both self, AND other.

Psychedelics and meditation are ways to break out of the subset but they are loopholes that God left for you.   You'll never be able to use a subset of Infinity to capture Infinity.  You just must actually become Infinity.

 

Edited December 6 by Inliytened1

[Davino]

I wonder if any has realized the mindfuck of Solipsism

Just curious beyond all the noise and human drama

Who actually woke up

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Davino said:

I wonder if any has realized the mindfuck of Solipsism

Just curious beyond all the noise and human drama

Who actually woke up

You do not want to realize the collapse of self and other.  It is horrifying.   Because you will realize that you are completely alone and that is a radical recontextualization of everything you have ever known.  You will spend the rest of your life as an ego forgetting about awakening.   And desperately wanting other to be real, and so it is 

On the flip side there is massive bliss and tears and love and Divinity.  But ego death is a part of it and it cannot be helped.  Ego death and the realization that you are God is a double edged blade.

Edited December 6 by Inliytened1

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

But what is the definition of simultaneous?  It is multiple things happening at the same time.

You don´t need to fit 'the others' in your present moment, because is not yours, therefore is not limited.

If there was such a thing as a limited present moment the problem of solipsism would arise, but since the only present moment that exists is boundless, where is the problem? There is space for everyone here. 

Edited Friday at 04:26 PM by Javfly33

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Javfly33 said:

An experience of boundlessness reveals there are no limits in perception. 

Ok let's do this haha.   Let's break it down.   

Is reality consciousness? Because if it is now we don't have other people we have other consciousnesses.  All selves are an illusion there is just pure Consciousness there.

So look! Does the moon exist out there without any "body" conscious of it?   How can that be..it just exists without anyone conscious of it?  Seems impossible   

So then back to these separate consciousnesses.  Does one end when the body dies or do they all just become separate formlessness after? If so where are they? How are they separate if space is imaginary?  Isn't "where" a term we can't use here?  Ok so they just are.  And it doesn't make any logical sense.  But then that would mean we can't understand Absolute Truth.   But if we are God who else would be able to finally understand it?

[Inliytened1]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

You don´t need to fit 'the others' in your present moment, because is not yours, therefore is not limited.

 

Other is in your present moment now.  And when you awaken the duality of self and other does collapse.  So we can talk about it all day but ultimately it will be revealed with awakening.  Both self and other is in your present moment even now.  

Edited Friday at 08:09 PM by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

I don't know if you realize that all that talk about whether others are real or not is mental masturbation, it's in the realm of the mind. What is the difference between whether the others are real or not? It is a conceptual difference that the logical mind makes. real vs not real . please, it's absolutely obvious. You see a guy on the street and you think: he's not real. and? What is the difference with: it's real? You are making that difference 🤣. Means absolutely nothing. You are operating in the realm of the meaning and pretending that you are enlightened, it's extremely funny, you are still in the first step, if you would realize the obvious you would think: oh my god 🤣

If you want a free mind, first step, remove the meaning. If you can't do that, please, stop thinking that you are enlightened, it's very embarrassing 

Edited Friday at 08:24 PM by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't know if you realize that all that talk about whether others are real or not is mental masturbation, 

Bur you can see for yourself that other is imaginary no different from self.  It's awakening. 

 

Edited Friday at 08:25 PM by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Bur you can see for yourself that other is imaginary no different from self.  

 

Man, this is in the realm of the conceptual mind. Real is a meaning that the conceptual mind creates, the meaning is superficial layer for operating as a human, it's precisely the ego. If you want to start (only start) to open yourself, you have to remove all meaning 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Man, this is in the realm of the conceptual mind. Real is a meaning that the conceptual mind creates, the meaning is superficial layer for operating as a human, it's precisely the ego. If you want to start (only start) to open yourself, you have to remove all meaning 

If you read my post I said with awakening or enlightenment you will see that other is imaginary and held within your own mind.  That's just what I'm claiming find out for yourself.

Edited Friday at 08:29 PM by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

If you read my post I said with awakening or enlightenment you will see that other is imaginary and held within your own mind.  That's just what I'm claiming find out for yourself.

Imaginary is a mental concept 😭

Look, I know that you think that you are enlightened and that, but the first step to open yourself to the real thing is erase all differentiations. Imaginary vs real is a differentiation