Why solipsism is not Absolute

[Carl-Richard]

8 hours ago, JoshB said:

@Carl-Richard Solipsism is the Absolute, have you ever contemplated that oneness can not be divided because it absolutely is you? Aka infinity 

Solipsism IS what makes You God.

Is it possible that some colors, sounds and thoughts are hidden?

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Carl-Richard your statement: "How are you seeing other people's bodies? Is seeing absolute? What happens if you close your eyes? Do you still see? No? What happens if there is a brick wall between your eyes and the body you are trying to see? Do you see still the body? No? So seemingly, seeing exists in relationship to other things, like eyes and things near and around the eyes. So seeing itself is also relative" - in relation to this:

15 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Is it possible that some colors, sounds and thoughts are hidden?

Is it possible that reality is something much larger that appear to be here for you mind? And that we may have direct evidences for that, despite that they might be extremlely inconvenient for our current world view? Exceuse me, for being slightly off topic but what if seeing is absolute? How do you know? See, the same trap waits for everybody here.

[Carl-Richard]

 

4 hours ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

Is it possible that reality is something much larger that appear to be here for you mind? And that we may have direct evidences for that, despite that they might be extremlely inconvenient for our current world view?

I don't quite see the connection to what I said.

 

4 hours ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

Exceuse me, for being slightly off topic but what if seeing is absolute? How do you know? See, the same trap waits for everybody here.

Seeing "things" is not absolute, which is clearly what you "see" me elaborate on in that quote. You can of course be conceptually corrupt and use the word "Seeing" to refer to Consciousness which is absolute, but that's indeed the problem. You're being conceptually corrupt (but probably in a less severe way than simply refusing to distinguish between the relative and the absolute).

Of course, again, we're always being conceptually corrupt when using words for something that cannot be worded, but we can at least try to keep it to a minimum. Or else, the reductio ad absurdum to that would be that everything is allowed and for example even the most vague resemblances could be used to refer to the absolute, like the word "cheese", because it's so delicious once you taste it.

And before you know it, you would see people on the forum referring to "Cheese" and "Absolute Cheesiness" and people making threads asking whether the cheese in their fridge is actually the Absolute Cheese, and then people like @Razard86 would be like "no you don't understand: there is NO DIFFERENCE between eating the cheese in your fridge and tasting Absolute Cheese! It's only a distinction you're cheesing up in your own cheese! The deepest awakening you have yet to discover is that reality is CHEESE!"

Edited Saturday at 06:52 PM by Carl-Richard

[Water by the River]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

It's a minor disagreement in the same sense that lobotomizing your brain with a screwdriver is a minor disagreement with doing everything you can to keep it functioning.

I know.

Good god, now I will not get your lovely nonviolent metaphor out my system for a looong time, everytime I will look at a screwdriver. 

Razard had certain Awakenings that he probably will continue to interpret and express in his own ways. Everbody can judge for himself how holistic, logical and coherent and loving that ends up. I personally would "unpack" or interpret these awakenings a bit more carefully, more impersonal, more like Indras Net, but who am I to spoil or judge the gig.

I am quite happy that you do the debating, then I don't have to . Been there, dont that, and of course less than successful. But there is for sure development to be seen in his content & style of writing, less ego and such, so thumbs up & bon voyage!

Besides, talking/writing to "others" trying to convince them of "Absolute" Solipsism is the ultimate joke. Whats the point, besides hallucinating & falling for a very serious & determined "convincer"-illusion?  

So chapeau to all appearing actors in the mighty River, of the mighty River, for the mighty River.

 

PS: All of ya don't exist, only I do. Whadda say?  Answer: Not today darling...

[Princess Arabia]

48 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

and then people like @Razard86 would be like "no you don't understand: there is NO DIFFERENCE between eating the cheese in your fridge and tasting Absolute Cheese! It's only a distinction you're cheesing up in your own cheese! The deepest awakening you have yet to discover is that reality is CHEESE!"

Lmao🤣

[Razard86]

7 hours ago, zurew said:

What is your argument for Solipsism?

 

@Razard86 Can you answer this?

I'm confused answer what exactly?

[Razard86]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Lmao🤣

LOL when it's all imaginary in the end you can create distinctions and then dissolve them. The fun is getting Consciousness to actually SHOW you it can dissolve a distinction. At a certain point you just give up all rationality and logic because it obliterates logic. The best bet dealing with Infinity is just say everything is true, not true, and nothing ever happened and leave it at that.

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Razard86 said:

LOL when it's all imaginary in the end you can create distinctions and then dissolve them. The fun is getting Consciousness to actually SHOW you it can dissolve a distinction. At a certain point you just give up all rationality and logic because it obliterates logic. The best bet dealing with Infinity is just say everything is true, not true, and nothing ever happened and leave it at that.

It was funny because of the way he put it. Any other name there and it wouldn't have been as funny. So, it's not just what was said, but who was referenced. We all know how you speak and it was a good replica. 

Concerning your statement here, "when it's all imaginary", something I'm not clear about, if reality/existence is alive how is the present imaginary. What's happening now, isn't that what is but only the thoughts, ideas and concepts, etc about it imaginary?

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

And before you know it, you would see people on the forum referring to "Cheese" and "Absolute Cheesiness" and people making threads asking whether the cheese in their fridge is actually the Absolute Cheese, and then people like @Razard86 would be like "no you don't understand: there is NO DIFFERENCE between eating the cheese in your fridge and tasting Absolute Cheese! It's only a distinction you're cheesing up in your own cheese! The deepest awakening you have yet to discover is that reality is CHEESE!"

Blueberry captures the nuance better than Cheese.

[Razard86]

31 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

It was funny because of the way he put it. Any other name there and it wouldn't have been as funny. So, it's not just what was said, but who was referenced. We all know how you speak and it was a good replica. 

Concerning your statement here, "when it's all imaginary", something I'm not clear about, if reality/existence is alive how is the present imaginary. What's happening now, isn't that what is but only the thoughts, ideas and concepts, etc about it imaginary?

Well that's the secret, imagination is alive and intelligent. Reality is made up of thought, the structure of reality is thought. A dream is a thought, imagination is a thought, so everything is just a thought. God/Reality turns the abstract into the concrete. I am a concept in the mind of God, Consciousness can magically make a thought real.

Here is an example using a cartoon. Johnny Bravo temporarily gains the power of God.

 

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Well that's the secret, imagination is alive and intelligent. Reality is made up of thought, the structure of reality is thought. A dream is a thought, imagination is a thought, so everything is just a thought. God/Reality turns the abstract into the concrete. I am a concept in the mind of God, Consciousness can magically make a thought real.

Here is an example using a cartoon. Johnny Bravo temporarily gains the power of God.

 

Pretty good/funny. "imagination is alive" didn't cross the mind. That explains it. Filled in a few holes. 

[Razard86]

7 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Pretty good/funny. "imagination is alive" didn't cross the mind. That explains it. Filled in a few holes. 

You are a dream woman lol. 

 

Edited Saturday at 06:14 PM by Razard86

[Princess Arabia]

9 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

You are a dream woman lol. 

 

No, I had a glimpse of reality being alive and saw it light up right Infront of my eyes but I'm aware it was only a glimpse and an experience. I see the dream as my stories and ideas about reality and not reality itself. I know everything starts with a thought in the relative world but I don't see awareness as a thought but that which is aware of the thought and the dream.

[Razard86]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

No, I had a glimpse of reality being alive and saw it light up right Infront of my eyes but I'm aware it was only a glimpse and an experience. I see the dream as my stories and ideas about reality and not reality itself. I know everything starts with a thought in the relative world but I don't see awareness as a thought but that which is aware of the thought and the dream.

That's a distinction you are creating. That which is aware....is itself a thought. Awareness is made of a thought, it's just an infinite thought that never ends. This thought is neutral, its only thought is that it is aware. It's always thinking that it is aware forever.

That's what the I am awakening comes from. God is called the Great I Am. 

Edited Saturday at 06:30 PM by Razard86

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Razard86 said:

That's a distinction you are creating. That which is aware....is itself a thought. Awareness is made of a thought, it's just an infinite thought that never ends. This thought is neutral, its only thought is that it is aware. It's always thinking that it is aware forever.

So, who/what are you. 

[Razard86]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

So, who/what are you. 

Whatever is...is what I am, and what ever isn't is also what I am.

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Razard86 said:

Whatever is...is what I am, and what ever isn't is also what I am.

So you are the I AM.

[Razard86]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

So you are the I AM.

Yes and So are you.

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Razard86 said:

Yes and So are you.

Just wanted to hear what you had to say. I know whatever you are I am also. We use different words for the same things/meanings at times. So what is awareness, just a thought, a timeless thought.

[Razard86]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Just wanted to hear what you had to say. I know whatever you are I am also. We use different words for the same things/meanings at times. So what is awareness, just a thought, a timeless thought.

You got it!!! Don't forget its also completely in love with itself, and has no barriers on what it is willing to create and experience. What helps me understand God more deeply is that God loves everything so much because it loves limitless creativity. This means it loves Genocide, discrimination, torture, suicide, insults, weakness, crying, despair. 

As a human ego coming to terms with THAT is when you really go deep. The funniest thing is when you discover even God thinks its evil. God allows all perspectives, and honors all perspectives, so when God as a human calls God a Devil God accepts that unconditionally.