Why solipsism is not Absolute

[Carl-Richard]

The Absolute is existence beyond all concepts; pure undivided existence. It cannot be divided for it is One. Once you divide it, you're in the relative; relationships between parts. And each part is necessarily a concept, something you thought up in your mind.

Solipsism claims "only my own experience exists; nobody else is conscious". It posits the concept of "my experience" as contrasted to "other people's experience". It therefore deals with the relative. It divides existence into parts (me vs. not me, conscious vs. not conscious), concepts, with relationships between them: me is the opposite of not me, conscious is the opposite of not conscious, only me is conscious and not other people.

Also, behind the concepts of me vs. not me (as an example), lie a ton of assumptions and yet more concepts. How do you identify who is me and who is other people? Through bodies? What is a body? Where does the body begin and where does it end? Is there an absolute boundary, or is it relative to how you choose to draw it? 

How are you seeing other people's bodies? Is seeing absolute? What happens if you close your eyes? Do you still see? No? What happens if there is a brick wall between your eyes and the body you are trying to see? Do you see still the body? No? So seemingly, seeing exists in relationship to other things, like eyes and things near and around the eyes. So seeing itself is also relative.

Then how can you base "the Absolute" on something relative like seeing, bodies, "conscious" and "other people"; concepts that are defined in relationship to something else (conscious vs. not conscious, me vs. not me, seeing vs. not seeing, body vs. not body, my body vs. not my body, etc.)? The answer is: you can't.

Edited Thursday at 05:55 PM by Carl-Richard

[Spiritual Warfare]

7 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

The Absolute is existence beyond all concepts; pure undivided existence. It cannot be divided for it is One. Once you divide it, you're in the relative; relationships between parts. And each part is necessarily a concept, something you thought up in your mind.

Solipsism claims "only my own experience exists; nobody else is conscious". It posits the concept of "my experience" as contrasted to "other people's experience". It therefore deals with the relative. It divides existence into parts (me vs. not me, conscious vs. not conscious), concepts, with relationships between them: me is the opposite of not me, conscious is the opposite of not conscious, only me is conscious and not other people.

Also, behind the concepts of me vs. not me (as an example), lies a ton of assumptions and yet more concepts. How do you identify who is me and who is other people? Through bodies? What is a body? Where does the body begin and where does it end? Is there an absolute boundary, or is it relative to how you choose to draw it? 

How are you seeing other people's bodies? Is seeing absolute? What happens if you close your eyes? Do you still see? No. What happens if there is a brick wall between your eyes and the body you are trying to see? Do you see still the body? No. So seemingly, seeing exists in relationship to the eyes and things near and around the eyes. So seeing itself is also relative.

Then how can you base "the Absolute" on something relative like seeing, and on bodies, let alone "other people" and "conscious", concepts that are defined in opposition to something else (seeing vs. not seeing, body vs. not body, my body vs. not my body, etc.)? The answer is: you can't.

There are no solid reasons to believe in solipsism as an absolute, yet there are also no good reasons to believe that solipsism isn’t absolute. Existence is so deeply confusing that we will never get close to the Absolute, not through logic, nor any other tool we possess. Existence can go to hell for not giving us some hidden weapon to understand the Absolute. Not even in death will we understand, this whole stream of life seems like an eternal confusion designed to push us away from the truth.

[Razard86]

Solipsism has nothing to do with the ego, Solipsism is the Mind of God. There are no others, means there is only God. Arguing about Solipsism is a waste of time, rather than argue, rather than speculate, confirm whether it is true or not. I have already confirmed it on my end, Absolute Solipsism is GOD= There is only God and there is nothing else. You don't understand that God is INFINITY, this means GOD is total, this means there is no outside because outside and inside are ONE.

This means individual experiences are ABSOLUTE, there cannot be anything outside your experience because experience is ABSOLUTE. TOTALITY doesn't hide anywhere or exist somewhere else, TOTALITY is right here right now. Reality is a hallucination. That hallucination is TOTAL!!! When you become aware that this hallucination is TOTAL is the day you become aware of what it means.

When Leo refers to being alone, he is not referring to the ego Leo, he is referring to God. God is all alone because God is to large to have an other. Until you confirm this for yourself you will never understand. To confirm this you will have to potentially risk a psychotic break, you have to allow your finite mind to go unlimited and give up egoic control. Good Luck, it can definitely be unhinged and unnerving. For me it showed me how little the ego actually controls.

[Water by the River]

27 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

The Absolute is existence beyond all concepts; pure undivided existence. It cannot be divided for it is One. Once you divide it, you're in the relative; relationships between parts. And each part is necessarily a concept, something you thought up in your mind.

Solipsism claims "only my own experience exists; nobody else is conscious". It posits the concept of "my experience" as contrasted to "other people's experience". It therefore deals with the relative. It divides existence into parts (me vs. not me, conscious vs. not conscious), concepts, with relationships between them: me is the opposite of not me, conscious is the opposite of not conscious, only me is conscious and not other people.

Also, behind the concepts of me vs. not me (as an example), lies a ton of assumptions and yet more concepts. How do you identify who is me and who is other people? Through bodies? What is a body? Where does the body begin and where does it end? Is there an absolute boundary, or is it relative to how you choose to draw it? 

How are you seeing other people's bodies? Is seeing absolute? What happens if you close your eyes? Do you still see? No. What happens if there is a brick wall between your eyes and the body you are trying to see? Do you see still the body? No. So seemingly, seeing exists in relationship to the eyes and things near and around the eyes. So seeing itself is also relative.

Then how can you base "the Absolute" on something relative like seeing, and on bodies, let alone "other people" and "conscious", concepts that are defined in opposition to something else (seeing vs. not seeing, body vs. not body, my body vs. not my body, etc.)? The answer is: you can't.

Very good, 

Not to you specifically, but to the Ego=God solipsist aficinonados:

"And God said: Thou shalt not be able to see my face; for no man shall see my face, and live." - Exodus 33:20

"Do not rely on any other remedy. Have I not already quoted to you: “Find the subject which casts the shadows, it is the very source of all Buddhas”? Your Buddha-nature is like the jewel-sword of the Vajara king: whoever touches it is killed. Or is it like a massive, raging fire: everything within reach loses its life. Once you realize your True-nature, all evil bent of mind arising from karma extending over innumerable years past is instantly annihilated, like snow put into a roaring furnace. No thought of Buddha or Truth remains.

...

If you push forward with your last ounce of strength at the very point where the path of your thinking has been blocked, and then, completely stymied, leap with hands high in the air into the tremendous abyss of fire confronting you—into the ever-burning flame of your own primordial nature—all ego-consciousness, all delusive feelings and thoughts and perceptions will perish with your ego-root and the true source of your Self-nature will appear. You will feel resurrected, all sickness having completely vanished, and will experience genuine peace and joy. You will be entirely free" - Bassui, in: Kapleau, Three Pillars of Zen

YOU are indeed alone. Luckily, there is no separate"you/I" anywhere.

Solipsism is just a illusionary thought-concept arising IN Infinite boundless You. Arising like mist, disappearing like mist, temporary, a dream, a illusion, a mirage in a dream. Where was it before your parents were born?

Koan: Who is thinking for about Solipsism again? What is the dreamer and the dream again?

 

Selling "I am eternally absolutely all alone, but luckily that is no problem since there is no small separte I-anything (nor ever was, besides an illusion-arising) but only the Infinite (River)" t-shirts by the River

 

 

[Water by the River]

4 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

To confirm this you will have to potentially risk a psychotic break

Welcome back, and good that you are well. You seem to have had quite an interesting ride lately.

One doesn't need a psychotic break for realization by the way, and if one is not so inclined, better avoids risking or having one.... I assume the food in the places where one ends up after having psychotic breaks can be a bit questionable? 

 

[Yimpa]

Just a quick reminder: breaks are essential in this work! 

[Water by the River]

11 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Just a quick reminder: breaks are essential in this work! 

Who could disagree? 

[Carl-Richard]

@Razard86

Is it possible that there exist sense perceptions that you are not currently aware of?

Edited Thursday at 05:09 PM by Carl-Richard

[UnbornTao]

I can imagine what this thread might turn into.  

Edited Thursday at 11:30 PM by UnbornTao

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, UnbornTao said:

I can imagine what this thread might turn into. And I like it.  

I’ve grabbed my popcorn, so let’s see where this philosophical rollercoaster takes us.

[ChrisZoZo]

@Carl-Richard god is distinction-less so an any idea of beyond is also him. Many people have reach the realisation they are absolutely all, absolutely. The realisation is imbued with absolute truth. This it’s higher than any logic.

Edited Thursday at 05:32 PM by ChrisZoZo

[Javfly33]

5 hours ago, Water by the River said:

"And God said: Thou shalt not be able to see my face; for no man shall see my face, and live." - Exodus 33:20

"Do not rely on any other remedy. Have I not already quoted to you: “Find the subject which casts the shadows, it is the very source of all Buddhas”? Your Buddha-nature is like the jewel-sword of the Vajara king: whoever touches it is killed. Or is it like a massive, raging fire: everything within reach loses its life. Once you realize your True-nature, all evil bent of mind arising from karma extending over innumerable years past is instantly annihilated, like snow put into a roaring furnace. No thought of Buddha or Truth remains.

...

If you push forward with your last ounce of strength at the very point where the path of your thinking has been blocked, and then, completely stymied, leap with hands high in the air into the tremendous abyss of fire confronting you—into the ever-burning flame of your own primordial nature—all ego-consciousness, all delusive feelings and thoughts and perceptions will perish with your ego-root and the true source of your Self-nature will appear. You will feel resurrected, all sickness having completely vanished, and will experience genuine peace and joy. You will be entirely free" - Bassui, in: Kapleau, Three Pillars of Zen

YOU are indeed alone. Luckily, there is no separate"you/I" anywhere.

Solipsism is just a illusionary thought-concept arising IN Infinite boundless You. Arising like mist, disappearing like mist, temporary, a dream, a illusion, a mirage in a dream. Where was it before your parents were born?

Koan: Who is thinking for about Solipsism again? What is the dreamer and the dream again?

 

Selling "I am eternally absolutely all alone, but luckily that is no problem since there is no small separte I-anything (nor ever was, besides an illusion-arising) but only the Infinite (River)" t-shirts by the River

 

 

Woah 😎 That was great to read 

[James123]

6 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Solipsism claims "only my own experience exists; nobody else is conscious". It posits the concept of "my experience" as contrasted to "other people's experience"

How do they know that they are exist or real? What a joke.

6 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Once you divide it, you're in the relative; relationships between parts. And each part is necessarily a concept, something you thought up in your mind.

You can not divide it. Because it is genuinely not knowing.

6 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Then how can you base "the Absolute" on something relative like seeing, bodies, "conscious" and "other people"; concepts that are defined in relationship to something else (conscious vs. not conscious, me vs. not me, seeing vs. not seeing, body vs. not body, my body vs. not my body, etc.)? The answer is: you can't.

Absofuckinglutely 

[Lyubov]

to live in the unknown, beyond all concepts, is a beautiful thing

[Ishanga]

Good Post! Solipsism as You defined it simply Unprepared ppl having Grand Experiences and coming back from it and perceiving it via an Egoic Filter, "If all is One, and there is Just "ME", then only I/Me exists", the unprepared ppl meaning they have no Sadhana or training behind them to already have a Space Developed and Experience btwn What is them and what is not Them.. Of course Using words as we are here creates Division automatically just by the way language works, but most will get what I mean..

Experientially as I've said before, there is only You experiencing You, all the data the senses bring in are Experienced within You, so You've never Experienced anything outside of You really, but that is only on the Experiential level, the senses are still showing a tiny bit of the outside of You and its real, real as real gets, but again there are levels to Reality and this one we are in is the least Subtle...What is You is the Most Subtle...

[Razard86]

 

[Princess Arabia]

8 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Just a quick reminder: breaks are essential in this work! 

Only if you consider it work. I take breaks from real work. Sleeping isn't work, but we still take breaks from it, even though we don't consider it a break from sleeping, also eating and every other activity. I don't need breaks from discovering myself, I need breaks from things that aren't related to the discovery of the self. Everything I do, involves self-discovery. Nothing else is worth my time and energy. So, I incorporate self-discovery into everything, so the breaks come naturally as in when i sleep. I could be eating and still doing the "work".

Edited Friday at 12:53 AM by Princess Arabia

[Yimpa]

@Princess Arabia It just comes naturally to you 

[Carl-Richard]

@Razard86 You really like avoiding answering questions.

Solipsists became real quiet when this one dropped.

[Razard86]

4 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

@Razard86 You really like avoiding answering questions.

Solipsists became real quiet when this one dropped.

.....Do you know how many questions I have answered? I have answered so many questions its mind numbing. The truth is...it is YOU who have not answered your own question.

I got a question for you....HAVE you gone INFINITE? Have you penetrated into the Absolute? If the answer is no, then you are wasting your time on speculation. 

God is the Absolute. The Absolute is TOTAL. Because it is TOTAL it is Absolute ONENESS. Absolute Solipsism is the MIND of GOD ABSENT any egoic identification. Whatever you experience, is all that there is. There is nothing outside of experience.