No one has a good answer to this.

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14 hours ago, TreyMoney said:

Nothing is infinite and the infinite is nothing.

Non-existence can’t really exist, so it can’t be infinite. If there’s truly nothing, there’s no way for it to be anything, let alone infinite.

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14 hours ago, ChrisZoZo said:

But time doesn’t exist you’re just perceiving change in the eternal non-timeless state.

if we’re in a timeless, eternal state, how could we even perceive time? Perception itself relies on change, and in a timeless reality, there wouldn’t be anything to mark the passage of time. It’s like saying non-existence exists. It contradicts itself. If everything is timeless, then the idea of experiencing time would be impossible, because there would be no before or after to.

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

if we’re in a timeless, eternal state, how could we even perceive time? Perception itself relies on change, and in a timeless reality, there wouldn’t be anything to mark the passage of time. It’s like saying non-existence exists. It contradicts itself. If everything is timeless, then the idea of experiencing time would be impossible, because there would be no before or after to.

What about if anything we know is illusion. Basically, knowing or knowledge is an illusion/lie, what is left?

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4 minutes ago, James123 said:

What about if anything we know is illusion. Basically, knowing or knowledge is an illusion/lie, what is left?

Good question. What remains is pain and hatred towards God.

 

 

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14 hours ago, Atb210201 said:

What do you think Omnipotent means?

 

I don’t understand what this has to do with my thread, but if your argument is that there are no limits, then everything is one. Is that what you’re trying to get at? It’s a valid point, but it needs to be developed further.

 

 

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Good question. What remains is pain and hatred towards God.

 

 

This thing is still knowledge and something that is learned. 

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11 hours ago, Hojo said:

The problem is its not answerable there are people who have experienced it but its not something that can be answered its before anything you have ever experienced. We aren't concluding we are witnessing it. The void of nothingness is right in front of you there's just stuff in it right now.

Anything we do will just be logic and this logic is based around this nothing we are talking about. If you see it words mean nothing, if you don't you will be looking for something in the words that's not there.

I agree to some extent. We are very limited, but it feels like we must be able to use some tool, or whatever you want to call it, to understand things. Maybe I’m asking for too much.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Let's say that existence is the fact of existing, being. that is the essence of reality and our ultimate nature. You are a human with some characteristics but you could be anything else, what you really are is the substance of what you are made of, and that substance is existence, which is synonymous with infinite potential.

Existence is not something abstract, mysterious, a wildcard idea to explain things, it is you. The forms are infinite but the substance is always the same, if you manage to completely erase the form for a moment, you will see what you are, what you have always been, without beginning or end or dimension. It is not something mythological, it is something normal, inevitable and absolute

To be honest, I thought this comment made a lot of sense, so I’m actually going to take this way of thinking as fact. The only thing is, I hate how weird and sometimes frustrating it gets when talking about these kinds of things. I mean, potential is actually existence, but in a way, it’s not. I didn’t think too deeply about it at first, but now I’m struggling to figure out if potential existence counts as actual existence or if it’s something that could become existence. The thing is, both are true, yet neither is! It’s so damn hard to talk about this without losing my mind, at least for me. Why is existence so challenging to understand? It seems like simple concepts at first, but the deeper you think about it, the more complicated it gets. Then it seems simpler again, but then it gets harder, and it never really stops! At least not for me.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, James123 said:

This thing is still knowledge and something that is learned. 

I hate God, and I will always stand by that.

 

 

[Atb210201]

35 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

I don’t understand what this has to do with my thread, but if your argument is that there are no limits, then everything is one. Is that what you’re trying to get at? It’s a valid point, but it needs to be developed further.

 

 

Actually I just said it because I just had a realisation of the deep meaning of it being infinite or absolute potential after reading your thread.

Didn't think about answering your questions with it.

But yeah sure what you assumed I was saying could also be a very good argument for your own question.

Edited Wednesday at 02:20 PM by Atb210201

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4 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

Actually I just said it because I just had a realisation of the deep meaning it being infinite or absolute potential after reading your thread.

Didn't think about answering your questions with it.

But yeah sure what you assumed I was saying could also be a very good argument for your own question.

I’m glad you brought it up, though. It’s important to question everything we think we know.

[Atb210201]

4 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

I’m glad you brought it up, though. It’s important to question everything we think we know.

Yes for sure.

We should always start as skeptical as possible.

Edited Wednesday at 02:27 PM by Atb210201

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2 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

Yes for sure.

We should always start as skeptical as possible.

Exactly, because that’s when we become smarter. But many are afraid to be skeptical because they fear that the answers they find will destroy their beliefs and lifestyle.

[Atb210201]

6 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Exactly, because that’s when we become smarter. But many are afraid to be skeptical because they fear that the answers they find will destroy their beliefs and lifestyle.

Yes that is true my friend.

[James123]

59 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

I hate God, and I will always stand by that.

 

 

Imagination my friend. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

I mean, potential is actually existence, but in a way, it’s not.

I think it's quite simple, existence exist, it's obvious. There are not limits, because any limit would be something, then would be existence, so limits are impossible because would be limitless. They are, but just apparently. Then the potential is infinite, inevitable, and a fact. This now is the infinite potential, that is, the existence, in a concrete appearance. Appearance because from an infinite perspective is just existence, without form, like anything else, but from a limited, relative perspective is a defined form.

 it's impossible to think in the infinity, because thoughts are relative, what means that are always a contrast between two possibilities, and therefore limited. Thought cannot encompass the unlimited because contrast would have to be eliminated, and with it thought itself. 

Then, if you want to put yourself in a infinite/absolute perspective, you have to stop thinking. But you can't because there are a lot of energetic structures based in survival, fear, genetically implanted by evolution that grabs your balls and create the need of control that's the main barrier that keep you limited.

Then, you just have to break this barrier and become unlimited. The thing is that from an absolute perspective there are not forms because everything is exactly the same: existence. There are not dimensions, differences or anything. Divide yourself by infinity, and that's it. Then, it's the same the Dr mengele cutting your dick and making you eat it or the perfect body of your girlfriend when you make love. Just existence.

Edited Wednesday at 03:05 PM by Breakingthewall

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14 minutes ago, James123 said:

Imagination my friend. 

Maybe not, my friend.

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15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I think it's quite simple, existence exist, it's obvious. There are not limits, because any limit would be something, then would be existence, so limits are impossible because would be limitless. They are, but just apparently. Then the potential is infinite, inevitable, and a fact. This now is the infinite potential, that is, the existence, in a concrete appearance. Appearance because from an infinite perspective is just existence, without form, like anything else, but from a limited, relative perspective is a defined form.

 it's impossible to think in the infinity, because thoughts are relative, what means that are always a contrast between two possibilities, and therefore limited. Thought cannot encompass the unlimited because contrast would have to be eliminated, and with it thought itself. 

Then, if you want to put yourself in a infinite/absolute perspective, you have to stop thinking. But you can't because there are a lot of energetic structures based in survival, fear, genetically implanted by evolution that grabs your balls and create the need of control that's the main barrier that keep you limited.

Then, you just have to break this barrier and become unlimited. The thing is that from an absolute perspective there are not forms because everything is exactly the same: existence. There are not dimensions, differences or anything. Divide yourself by infinity, and that's it. Then, it's the same the Dr mengele cutting your dick and making you eat it or the perfect body of your girlfriend when you make love. Just existence.

Wow, do you have an active YouTube channel?

[Breakingthewall]

27 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Wow, do you have an active YouTube channel?

Thanks for appreciate. I haven't, but if i have it would named: spirituality without spiritual bullshit

I'm too far to be able to talk about enlightenment properly, maybe one day, or maybe not. I think that if you want to talk about this topic as a "master" you have to be in the absolute openess, without hindrance. Not easy , maybe impossible, but who knows 

Edited Wednesday at 03:46 PM by Breakingthewall

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5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Thanks for appreciate. I haven't, but if i have it would named: spirituality without spiritual bullshit

What a great name😅 You should really start one. You explain things in such a detailed and developed way, something many spiritual people fail to do.