No one has a good answer to this.

[James123]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

I think it's quite simple, existence exist, it's obvious. There are not limits, because any limit would be something, then would be existence, so limits are impossible because would be limitless. They are, but just apparently. Then the potential is infinite, inevitable, and a fact. This now is the infinite potential, that is, the existence, in a concrete appearance. Appearance because from an infinite perspective is just existence, without form, like anything else, but from a limited, relative perspective is a defined form.

 it's impossible to think in the infinity, because thoughts are relative, what means that are always a contrast between two possibilities, and therefore limited. Thought cannot encompass the unlimited because contrast would have to be eliminated, and with it thought itself. 

Then, if you want to put yourself in a infinite/absolute perspective, you have to stop thinking. But you can't because there are a lot of energetic structures based in survival, fear, genetically implanted by evolution that grabs your balls and create the need of control that's the main barrier that keep you limited.

Then, you just have to break this barrier and become unlimited. The thing is that from an absolute perspective there are not forms because everything is exactly the same: existence. There are not dimensions, differences or anything. Divide yourself by infinity, and that's it. Then, it's the same the Dr mengele cutting your dick and making you eat it or the perfect body of your girlfriend when you make love. Just existence.

You are the existence. When there is no you, no more existence.

[TreyMoney]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

You are the existence. When there is no you, no more existence.

Preach!

[Spiritual Warfare]

14 minutes ago, James123 said:

You are the existence. When there is no you, no more existence.

So, no funeral for Spiritual Warfare, then?

 

Alright, let’s give it a proper send-off anyway:

 

“Here lies Spiritual Warfare, dearly beloved by, well, some of us. Gone but… well, actually, just gone. It fought the good fight, but in the end, maybe it was a little too ‘spiritual’ and not quite enough ‘warfare.’ Rest in pixels, brave game, may you find peace in the great GameStop in the sky, where every shelf is dust-free and every player has infinite lives.”

[James123]

16 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

So, no funeral for Spiritual Warfare, then?

Hell yeah. There is no more existence after you. Just completely surrender during the death. İt will be great experience. 

17 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Here lies Spiritual Warfare, dearly beloved by, well, some of us. Gone but… well, actually, just gone. It fought the good fight, but in the end, maybe it was a little too ‘spiritual’ and not quite enough ‘warfare.’ Rest in pixels, brave game, may you find peace in the great GameStop in the sky, where every shelf is dust-free and every player has infinite lives.”

LoL. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

57 minutes ago, James123 said:

There is no more existence after you. 

 

How can existence cease to be if existence is eternal?😏

[James123]

1 hour ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

How can existence cease to be if existence is eternal?😏

Because it never begins. Life or existence is just an illusion, thought process that's it. Just a gift. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, James123 said:

Just a gift. 

Good joke, got any more up your sleeve?

[Razard86]

On 11/12/2024 at 4:05 PM, Spiritual Warfare said:

No one can truly know if something is created or not. Almost everyone on this forum believes their source is eternal, and I can’t entirely blame them because it seems that way after all the observations we’ve gone through. But people often forget that potential existence doesn’t mean actual existence. How can you know you weren’t just potential existence? You can’t. Potential existence means that the potential in all things has always been there, but hasn’t necessarily come into reality. This implies that you’re not eternal and that you were born.

Non-existence doesn’t exist, and so people conclude that if non-existence doesn’t exist, then only existence must exist. And in a way, that’s true. But remember that potential isn’t reality, although it can become reality. So you’re not eternal and you’re not God. Even if everything ultimately comes from the same source, distinct things still exist. Potential and existence aren’t the same thing, though they’re closely connected.

I just wish I could know if I am something potential or if I’ve always existed, but it seems more likely that I was once just potential.

You really love to play the strawman, I guess its fun for you.....

[creativepursuit]

On 13/11/2024 at 2:35 AM, Spiritual Warfare said:

So you’re not eternal and you’re not God

Contemplate this perspective—what you don't know also exists; it's just not known to you. Any knowledge in the entire cosmos already exists; it becomes known when you become conscious of it, isn't it? Having said that, is it possible that you are God and you are not yet conscious of it?

[James123]

11 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Good joke, got any more up your sleeve?

Why do you hate god?

[creativepursuit]

@Spiritual Warfare Book recommendation just for you

https://www.amazon.com.au/Nectar-Supreme-Knowledge-Vasishta-Sarah/dp/817823615X

https://www.amazon.com.au/Mandukya-Upanisad-Gaudapadas-KarikaKA-Chinmayananda/dp/8175976640

[Spiritual Warfare]

5 hours ago, Razard86 said:

You really love to play the strawman, I guess its fun for you.....

What makes you think that?

[Osaid]

"You" don't exist at all. That "separate piece" isn't there at all.

To say it another way, you can't know what you are. If you knew something about yourself, that knowledge about yourself would limit you. It's by design, in order to be unlimited.

In a sense...

You're not supposed to know about non-existence, because something that exists can't know non-existence.

You're not supposed to know about the future, because something that is always present can't know about something that isn't present.

etc. etc.

Knowledge is a subtle way of limiting and separating yourself.

[Osaid]

It really comes down to the dualities (thoughts) you're entertaining. "Existence", "non-existence", yadda yadda. There isn't anything separate experiencing what those things are describing, so no one is at the affect of it.

Edited 18 hours ago by Osaid

[Spiritual Warfare]

3 hours ago, creativepursuit said:

Contemplate this perspective—what you don't know also exists; it's just not known to you. Any knowledge in the entire cosmos already exists; it becomes known when you become conscious of it, isn't it? Having said that, is it possible that you are God and you are not yet conscious of it?

I don’t think it’s possible to fully grasp the unknown simply by becoming aware of it. The idea that all knowledge already exists, and it only becomes known when we are conscious of it, is an interesting one. However, I still don’t believe it’s feasible to know or understand everything, especially something as vast as being all-knowing or divine. The concept of being God is deeply tied to belief, and even if knowledge exists, it might not be something we can ever fully comprehend or realize. It’s all part of the mystery we try to understand, but I don’t think we can ever truly know it all.

[Spiritual Warfare]

3 hours ago, James123 said:

Why do you hate god?

For he will torture me with fire and brimstone after my ego dies.

[Spiritual Warfare]

9 minutes ago, Osaid said:

"You" don't exist at all. That "separate piece" isn't there at all.

To say it another way, you can't know what you are. If you knew something about yourself, that knowledge about yourself would limit you. It's by design, in order to be unlimited.

In a sense...

You're not supposed to know about non-existence, because something that exists can't know non-existence.

You're not supposed to know about the future, because something that is always present can't know about something that isn't present.

etc. etc.

Knowledge is a subtle way of limiting and separating yourself.

I see your point, but I think knowledge of the present moment actually grounds us. Being aware of what’s happening right now, rather than constantly chasing what we don’t know, can bring a kind of peace. Knowing what’s true in the moment connects us to everything around us.

[Osaid]

2 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

but I think knowledge of the present moment actually grounds us.

Knowledge is  the present moment. It is presently happening. It was not suggested that knowledge should be shunned away or anything, that is the proper function of thinking.

However, the belief that you can think of yourself is a belief, not knowledge. It's not possible to experience that. This belief is what creates the separate self or appearance of duality that I was referring to.

[Spiritual Warfare]

11 minutes ago, Osaid said:

It really comes down to the dualities (thoughts) you're entertaining. "Existence", "non-existence", yadda yadda. There isn't anything separate experiencing what those things are describing, so no one is at the affect of it.

I would love to hear more about your logic behind this, or rather, why you believe this or have experienced it. Could you elaborate further on your reasoning and how you came to this conclusion?

[Spiritual Warfare]

9 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Knowledge is  the present moment. It is presently happening. It was not suggested that knowledge should be shunned away or anything, that is the proper function of thinking.

However, the belief that you can think of yourself is a belief, not knowledge. It's not possible to experience that. This belief is what creates the separate self or appearance of duality that I was referring to.

But it doesn’t give me peace, and it shouldn’t give anyone else either. The ego craves answers, not just to experience the present moment. I can’t enjoy the present because I’m afraid of the unknown, and the thought that we humans should not question or challenge things, but merely go with the flow, is a terrifying thought.