No one has a good answer to this.

[Spiritual Warfare]

No one can truly know if something is created or not. Almost everyone on this forum believes their source is eternal, and I can’t entirely blame them because it seems that way after all the observations we’ve gone through. But people often forget that potential existence doesn’t mean actual existence. How can you know you weren’t just potential existence? You can’t. Potential existence means that the potential in all things has always been there, but hasn’t necessarily come into reality. This implies that you’re not eternal and that you were born.

Non-existence doesn’t exist, and so people conclude that if non-existence doesn’t exist, then only existence must exist. And in a way, that’s true. But remember that potential isn’t reality, although it can become reality. So you’re not eternal and you’re not God. Even if everything ultimately comes from the same source, distinct things still exist. Potential and existence aren’t the same thing, though they’re closely connected.

I just wish I could know if I am something potential or if I’ve always existed, but it seems more likely that I was once just potential.

[James123]

Papaji has great answer.

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

The absolute potential is the existence. It means that everything is, because in eternity, or infinity, potential=real. If the reality is limitless, how could anything not being? Just the possibility is equivalent to real, because here and now is the eternity, so time is a creation, a potential dimension that appears, then there are infinite dimensions in all the directions infinitely, so you can't stop being, you will be always, because you are the totality, like me or anything else. It's infinite, no finish. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

9 minutes ago, James123 said:

Papaji has great answer.

 

 

This is just his experiences and insights he has had throughout his life, nothing that truly answers my question. Because he just says that everything is an illusion, and that nothing is separate, but he never mentions the potential existence.

 

 

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

This is just his experiences and insights he has had throughout his life, nothing that truly answers my question. Because he just says that everything is an illusion, and that nothing is separate, but he never mentions the potential existence.

 

 

There is no such thing as existence. You are trying to get answer from illusion. Lol. If something is not exist, hoe can you get the correct answer lol. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

22 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The absolute potential is the existence. It means that everything is, because in eternity, or infinity, potential=real. If the reality is limitless, how could anything not being? Just the possibility is equivalent to real, because here and now is the eternity, so time is a creation, a potential dimension that appears, then there are infinite dimensions in all the directions infinitely, so you can't stop being, you will be always, because you are the totality, like me or anything else. It's infinite, no finish. 

Imagine a painter who has an idea for a painting but has not yet begun to paint. The idea of the painting represents potential existence. It is not yet an actual painting; it is simply a possibility, a vision in the painter’s mind. The potential existence of the painting exists as a thought, but it is only when the painter begins to use their tools, apply paint to the canvas, and actively create that this potential becomes a concrete, actual painting. 

In this hypothesis, you can see that they are different. What makes you think that both belong to pure existence when it is obvious that potential is not finished existence? I know this is a tough subject, and it feels like paradoxes the deeper you go into it, but I hope we can come to a good answer.

[Spiritual Warfare]

14 minutes ago, James123 said:

There is no such thing as existence. You are trying to get answer from illusion. Lol. If something is not exist, hoe can you get the correct answer lol. 

If I cannot get an answer just because everything is an illusion, why do you claim to have the answers? Existence exists. Only those who exist can question their existence.

[TreyMoney]

Sounds like spiritual autolysis. Keep digging / burning / peeling away the layers.

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, TreyMoney said:

Sounds like spiritual autolysis. Keep digging / burning / peeling away the layers.

I’d like to hear your thoughts on this. Do you think this sounds crazy, or is it actually something very interesting that should be given more attention?

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

If I cannot get an answer just because everything is an illusion, why do you claim to have the answers? Existence exists. Only those who exist can question their existence.

İ don't claim on anything. İ am just saying what i am suppose to say, either you believe or not. There is absolute answer of all the question, there is no such thing as question.

Peace!

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, James123 said:

İ don't claim on anything. İ am just saying what i am suppose to say, either you believe or not. There is absolute answer of all the question, there is no such thing as question.

Peace!

Don’t leave me. You are contradicting yourself. You say that you aren’t claiming anything, but then you claim that there are answers to all these questions, and then you say that there are no questions. Can’t you see how crazy you sound🥲

 

 

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Don’t leave me. You are contradicting yourself. You say that you aren’t claiming anything, but then you claim that there are answers to all these questions, and then you say that there are no questions. Can’t you see how crazy you sound🥲

 

 

Of course it is crazy 🤣 😧 🤣 

Love you brother. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, James123 said:

Of course it is crazy 🤣 😧 🤣 

Love you brother. 

I love you, you crazy fool💓

[TreyMoney]

41 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

 Potential existence means that the potential in all things has always been there, but hasn’t necessarily come into reality. This implies that you’re not eternal and that you were born.

Non-existence doesn’t exist, and so people conclude that if non-existence doesn’t exist, then only existence must exist. And in a way, that’s true. But remember that potential isn’t reality, although it can become reality. So you’re not eternal and you’re not God. Even if everything ultimately comes from the same source, distinct things still exist. Potential and existence aren’t the same thing, though they’re closely connected.

I just wish I could know if I am something potential or if I’ve always existed, but it seems more likely that I was once just potential.

 Potential existence means that the potential in all things has always been there, but hasn’t necessarily come into reality. - agree 100%

Even if everything ultimately comes from the same source, distinct things still exist. - agree 100%

 

Potential existence and actual existence are two sides (duality) of the same coin (unity).

 

On one side we have Non-Existence, on the other side we have Existence.

On one side we have Nothing, on the other side we have Everything.

On one side we have the Non-Physical, on the other side we have the Physical.

On one side we have Formlessness, on the other side we have Form.

On one side we have Motionlessness, on the other side we have Motion.

On one side we have the Unmanifested, on the other side we have the Manifested.

On one side we have Potential, on the other side we have Actual.

On one side we have the Noumena, on the other side we have Phenomena.

On one side we have the Absolute, on the other side we have the Relative.

On one side we have the Eternal, on the other side we have the Temporary.

On one side we have the Permanent, on the other side we have the Impermanent.

On one side we have the Infinite, on the other side we have the Finite.

On one side we have the Objective, on the other side we have the Subjective.

On one side we have the Ultimate, on the other side we have the Composite.

On one side we have the Undifferentiated, on the other side we have the Differentiated.

On one side we have the Undivided, on the other side we have the Divided.

On one side we have the Indivisible, on the other side we have the Divisible.

On one side we have the Indestructible, on the other side we have the Destructible.

 

On on side is the Divine Potential, on the the other side if the Divine Actual.

So it is not I am God.

But rather God, I Am.

God, we all are.

God, everything is. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

2 minutes ago, TreyMoney said:

 Potential existence means that the potential in all things has always been there, but hasn’t necessarily come into reality. - agree 100%

Even if everything ultimately comes from the same source, distinct things still exist. - agree 100%

 

Potential existence and actual existence are two sides (duality) of the same coin (unity).

 

On one side we have Non-Existence, on the other side we have Existence.

On one side we have Nothing, on the other side we have Everything.

On one side we have the Non-Physical, on the other side we have the Physical.

On one side we have Formlessness, on the other side we have Form.

On one side we have Motionlessness, on the other side we have Motion.

On one side we have the Unmanifested, on the other side we have the Manifested.

On one side we have Potential, on the other side we have Actual.

On one side we have the Noumena, on the other side we have Phenomena.

On one side we have the Absolute, on the other side we have the Relative.

On one side we have the Eternal, on the other side we have the Temporary.

On one side we have the Permanent, on the other side we have the Impermanent.

On one side we have the Infinite, on the other side we have the Finite.

On one side we have the Objective, on the other side we have the Subjective.

On one side we have the Ultimate, on the other side we have the Composite.

On one side we have the Undifferentiated, on the other side we have the Differentiated.

On one side we have the Undivided, on the other side we have the Divided.

On one side we have the Indivisible, on the other side we have the Divisible.

On one side we have the Indestructible, on the other side we have the Destructible.

 

On on side is the Divine Potential, on the the other side if the Divine Actual.

So it is not I am God.

But rather God, I Am.

God, we all are.

God, everything is. 

Quite a good answer, but you forgot that non-existence does not exist. It is not a reality. Nothing is not something. So how can God be something that doesn’t exist? You must not confuse non-existence with potential. Non-existence has no potential. Potential is not pure non-existence.

[James123]

1 minute ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

So how can God be something that doesn’t exist?

God is Nothing. That's why You can find it in Human form. You can just Be. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, James123 said:

God is Nothing. That's why You can find it in Human form. You can just Be. 

God is a slow idiot. When you say ‘nothing,’ what do you mean by it? Do you mean it as a void or something that doesn’t exist at all? But if it doesn’t exist at all, then God can’t be nothing.

[James123]

Just now, Spiritual Warfare said:

God is a slow idiot. When you say ‘nothing,’ what do you mean by it? Do you mean it as a void or something that doesn’t exist at all? But if it doesn’t exist at all, then God can’t be nothing.

Void, emptiness, Nothingness. İt is like an air but it has no molecules therefore it is within everything. Therefore, it is nothing and everything at the same time.

[Spiritual Warfare]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

Void, emptiness, Nothingness. İt is like an air but it has no molecules therefore it is within everything. Therefore, it is nothing and everything at the same time.

Great, but that’s not the real definition of nothing. Air is still something, even though it’s invisible.

[James123]

Just now, Spiritual Warfare said:

Great, but that’s not the real definition of nothing. Air is still something, even though it’s invisible.

Because air has molecules, but nothing has no molecules.