You Are Not God: A Logical Proof

[Spiritual Warfare]

If you come from potential non-existence, it doesn’t necessarily mean you are eternal. Here’s why:

 

1. Potential Non-Existence is Not the Same as Eternity

 

    •    Potential non-existence simply means you didn’t exist in a concrete, actual form before, but the possibility of your existence was present. This implies that you came into being at a certain point in time and are therefore not eternal.

    •    Having the potential to exist doesn’t mean that you have always existed as an actual being or person. Potential non-existence is a kind of latent state, not a state of eternal existence.

 

2. Eternity Means Existence Without Beginning or End

 

    •    To be eternal means to have always existed and to always exist—without any clear beginning or end. To exist eternally would mean that there has never been a time when you did not exist.

    •    If you come from potential non-existence, it implies that you have a beginning, as there was a point when you didn’t exist as an actual being. Having a beginning contradicts the idea of being eternal.

 

3. Example: The Difference Between Potential and Eternity

 

    •    Think of a seed that has the potential to become a tree. Even though the seed holds the potential for a tree, the tree is not eternal just because it could eventually grow. The tree will have a beginning (when it starts growing) and could also have an end (when it wilts or dies).

    •    In the same way, you had the potential to exist before you actually came into being, but your actual existence has a starting point. Therefore, you are not eternal.

 

4. Potential is Not the Same as Actualized Existence

 

    •    A potential existence is not the same as an actual existence, and existing potentially is not the same as existing eternally. Your existence began when you became actualized, meaning you have a starting point and are therefore not eternal.

 

To come from potential non-existence means that you had the possibility of existing, but it doesn’t mean you are eternal. You had a beginning when you came into being, and eternity is reserved for that which has always existed and will always exist without any starting or ending point.
 

This sounds logical, and even though I unfortunately feel hatred toward God, I have to admit that God exists. You are not eternal, you are created, and you should fear your Creator. Reality is harsh, but this is undeniable. I’m glad I haven’t been brainwashed like so many on this forum. Thank you, ChatGPT. But feel free to try to disprove it if you’d like. 
 

it’s easy for people to fall into the illusion of self-divinity. We often hear ideas like, “We are all gods,” or “I am the master of my own reality.” But if we peel back the layers and confront reality with clear logic, the notion that any of us could truly be God quickly falls apart.

Edited Tuesday at 11:48 AM by Spiritual Warfare

[Someone here]

Metaphysics teaches you there's a cause for everything but that's kindergarten. 
Cause does not exist. There never was a cause.  You identify as a form. That's a mistake. You are both form and formelessness which is probably what you conflate with "non existence ".
For you to exist as a form there must be a cause and of course most people call that God. So if you are not god then who the fuck is god ?  you are lost into duality.. 

where did potential non-existence came from ? From god . You have no other choice  but to  posit  god .you might ask "Where does this God come from that made the non-existence? And who made 
the God?" It's all concepts.. it's all relative thinking. Do not try to understand this with your finite mind..you cannot. The infinite can never comprehend the finite or the finite can never comprehend the infinite. They are two different things .

[Spiritual Warfare]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Metaphysics teaches you there's a cause for everything but that's kindergarten. 
Cause does not exist. There never was a cause.  You identify as a form. That's a mistake. You are both form and formelessness which is probably what you conflate with "non existence ".
For you to exist as a form there must be a cause and of course most people call that God. So if you are not god then who the fuck is god ?  you are lost into duality.. 

where did potential non-existence came from ? From god . You have no other choice  but to  posit  god .you might ask "Where does this God come from that made the non-existence? And who made 
the God?" It's all concepts.. it's all relative thinking. Do not try to understand this with your finite mind..you cannot. The infinite can never comprehend the finite or the finite can never comprehend the infinite. They are two different things .

Potential non-existence can’t be equated with something that is eternal. Eternity, in the true sense, means something without beginning or end, something that has always existed in its fullness. Potentiality, by definition, hasn’t actualized yet and doesn’t imply anything eternal or unchanging. It simply holds the possibility for existence.

[Spiritual Warfare]

@Someone here It doesn’t matter if all sources come from God, there are clear distinctions, whether you like it or not. Potential is not existence yet. The problem is not that I identify as a form. When I say I come from non-existence, I mean that nothing exists, no form, no energy, no space, nothing! But it has the potential to become something. You missed the point.

Edited Tuesday at 12:35 PM by Spiritual Warfare

[Someone here]

@Spiritual Warfare

24 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Potential non-existence can’t be equated with something that is eternal. Eternity, in the true sense, means something without beginning or end, something that has always existed in its fullness. Potentiality, by definition, hasn’t actualized yet and doesn’t imply anything eternal or unchanging. It simply holds the possibility for existence.

You just gave a definition for potential. You've given it attributes like "holding the possibility for existence ".

Bottom line is there must be something eternal..since existence undeniably exists right now ..therefore the natural conclusion is that it has always existed . 

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

@Spiritual Warfare

You just gave a definition for potential. You've given it attributes like "holding the possibility for existence ".

Bottom line is there must be something eternal..since existence undeniably exists right now ..therefore the natural conclusion is that it has always existed . 

God is eternal, and you are not God.

[Spiritual Warfare]

@Someone here You cannot disprove that there is a God and the rest is non-existence. Even though it may sound silly, you cannot disprove it. If you can, I will become your best friend, cook your meals, and wash your clothes.

[emil1234]

easy. god is both existence and non existence; this is implicit in the concept of infinity

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, emil1234 said:

easy. god is both existence and non existence; this is implicit in the concept of infinity

Non-existence does not exist, it is only a concept.

[Eph75]

@Spiritual Warfare

Aren't these conversations hillarious? 

1 hour ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Non-existence does not exist, it is only a concept.

This too is a concept.

[Buck Edwards]

There's no logic when it comes to God. Logic simply cannot exist. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

10 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

There's no logic when it comes to God. Logic simply cannot exist. 

Some degrees of logic work.

[ChrisZoZo]

@emil1234 hahaha RuneScape profile 

[ChrisZoZo]

@Spiritual Warfare if something in science is proven then logic has to bend to it. Same is with god no logic is “correct” that leads to the conclusion that you are not god. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 hour ago, Eph75 said:

@Spiritual Warfare

Aren't these conversations hillarious? 

This too is a concept.

It actually doesn’t matter because non-existence will never become a reality, as it contradicts the very nature of non-existence, which is to not exist.

[Spiritual Warfare]

19 minutes ago, ChrisZoZo said:

@Spiritual Warfare if something in science is proven then logic has to bend to it. Same is with god no logic is “correct” that leads to the conclusion that you are not god. 

I believe that logic leads us to truth. If no logic is correct, how can we possibly progress? Why would existence behave in such a strange and difficult way?

[Eph75]

27 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

It actually doesn’t matter because non-existence will never become a reality, as it contradicts the very nature of non-existence, which is to not exist.

Well, it does. 

As long as we're caught up in conceptualization, there's a need for an ever more complex concept. No concept is going to be able to describe what is attempted to be conceptualized - as it's inherently unknownable.

The path ends with the ending of conceptualization.

The only thing verifiable/knowable is the experience of experiencing / consciousness, everything else is happening within experience / consciousness, no matter how compelling you might make that concept, it's still make-believe.

That is where the search ends, where all questions dissolve. 

[Hojo]

If my base is nothing and I add human, then if I take off human I am still there and can still think and feel. A human body dosent feel anything there is nothing in the human body that can feel and emote and think its just matter.

If you are nothing and are tricked into thinking you are human then you die. If you know you are nothing and are not tricked into thinking you are human you will experience death.

Edited Tuesday at 03:57 PM by Hojo

[Spiritual Warfare]

5 minutes ago, Eph75 said:

Well, it does. 

As long as we're caught up in conceptualization, there's a need for an ever more complex concept. No concept is going to be able to describe what is attempted to be conceptualized - as it's inherently unknownable.

The path ends with the ending of conceptualization.

The only thing verifiable/knowable is the experience of experiencing / consciousness, everything else is happening within experience / consciousness, no matter how compelling you might make that concept, it's still make-believe.

That is where the search ends, where all questions dissolve. 

I understand your point, and I agree that no concept can fully describe what lies beyond experience or consciousness. However, when I speak of ‘non-existence’ as a concept, I don’t mean it as an objective reality, but rather as a way to refer to something that cannot be experienced or understood through concepts, yet can still be thought of in our intellect. I believe that our language and concepts help us navigate and reflect on our experience, but they can never fully capture the experience itself. Perhaps it is precisely in this boundary between what we can conceptualize and what we cannot that deeper questions about existence and consciousness arise.

[Spiritual Warfare]

8 minutes ago, Hojo said:

If my base is nothing and I add human, then if I take off human I am still there and can still think and feel. A human body dosent feel anything there is nothing in the human body that can feel and emote and think its just matter.

If you are nothing and are tricked into thinking you are human then you die. If you know you are nothing and are not tricked into thinking you are human you will experience death.

I think there’s a distinction between the concept of ‘nothing’ and the experience of being aware. Even if we think of ourselves as ‘nothing’ in terms of a fixed identity or ego, the experience of awareness, thinking, and feeling is still present. The human body might be matter, but the conscious experience is what gives it meaning. In this sense, I don’t think we’re truly ‘nothing’ because the very act of thinking, feeling, and being aware is something that exists. So even when we experience death, it’s part of the continuous flow of experience, which doesn’t simply end with the body. It transitions into something else, even if we can’t fully understand it.