If truth is love, why are so many people untruthful in the pursuit of love?

[Vynce]

If truth is love, why are so many people untruthful in the pursuit of love?

Edited Tuesday at 10:14 AM by Vynce

[James123]

@Vynce They will never find the Love. Because, Finding the Love is giving up the self.

[Sugarcoat]

The kind of love that is truth is not the conventional love, it’s unconditional and includes even the untruthfulness. Intuitively 

Edited Tuesday at 10:38 AM by Sugarcoat

[Vynce]

33 minutes ago, James123 said:

@Vynce They will never find the Love. Because, Finding the Love is giving up the self.

I mean if Truth (=no self) is Love, than giving up self would be a loving thing right?

I really want to understand why Truth must be Love. And why untruthfulness feels so good (Goodness = Love?) so often. 

[Vynce]

19 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

The kind of love that is truth is not the conventional love, it’s unconditional and includes even the untruthfulness. Intuitively 

Yes, I didn't think of conventional love on this thought. 

What I want to know is why "Truth (espeically) = Love" and not "Truth/Un-Truth/Everything = Love". 

And why in our human dimension not much of this unconditional love is felt. 

Edited Tuesday at 10:57 AM by Vynce

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Vynce said:

What I want to know why Truth especially is Love and Truth/Un-Truth/Everything = Love. 

This I can’t answer . I wonder the same

Edited Tuesday at 10:59 AM by Sugarcoat

[Sugarcoat]

19 minutes ago, Vynce said:

And why in our human dimension not much of this unconditional love is felt. 

My guess is that it’s felt when enlightenment happens or awakening 

[Vynce]

Maybe I'm conflating egoic desires with a more existential love. 

However, if this existential love is better than egoic desires, I wonder why even the so called spiritual people rather choose the fulfilment of survival needs over existential love, which might seem untruthful from an outside perspective. 

And if the fulfilment of material needs/survival/desires is not contrary to existential love, why is this need for survival sometimes so damaging towards others? Is it true that we have to betray, deceive and exploit our environment to concentrate on existential love? Thats how I experience my world a lot. I first to have to earn money, social status, sex ect. to fully relax into a more unconditional love. 

And if money, status, sex ect. is not necessary for unconditional love, why does our nervous system stress so much about it? Is our nervous system contrary to unconditional love? And if so, why? Shouldn't our God-given nervous system be in tune with God-given unconditional love?

My point is: 

Why is unconditional love so incompatible with literally EVERYTHING in our human dimension (ego, money, status, sex, will, survival ect.)?

And if this is just like the universe functions, why is EVERYTHING = LOVE?

My worldview right now would say:

Human dimension = Ego, survival, stress, deception, war, will ect.

Spiritual dimension = Love, understanding, insight, compassion ect.

So just some part of Truth = unconditional love. 

Where is my train of thought flawed?

[Vynce]

17 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

My guess is that it’s felt when enlightenment happens or awakening 

Yes, it is felt with enlightenment, but enlightenment fades away quickly and we always end up in the human realm.

No matter, how deep @Leo Gura went into awakening, he always came down to struggle for money, status and sex again. 

[Salvijus]

Ego means love for yourself only. Me me me. 

Enlightenment means your I becomes everything. So your love becomes everything. We we we. 

Edited Tuesday at 11:36 AM by Salvijus

[James123]

41 minutes ago, Vynce said:

I mean if Truth (=no self) is Love, than giving up self would be a loving thing right?

Your true self is already Love. You are Love. Self is suffering and you call it love.

42 minutes ago, Vynce said:

I really want to understand why Truth must be Love. And why untruthfulness feels so good (Goodness = Love?) so often. 

Untruthfulness is not love, it is satisfaction.

[Vynce]

19 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Ego means love for yourself only. Me me me. 

Enlightenment means your I becomes everything. So your love becomes everything. We we we. 

Fair point.

But that concludes Not everything is Love.

Because one does not stay in a state of enlightenment. For most it’s just a temporary phenomenon. 

[Vynce]

19 minutes ago, James123 said:

Your true self is already Love. You are Love. Self is suffering and you call it love.

Untruthfulness is not love, it is satisfaction.

And why is satisfaction contrary to love? 
Why do both feel good? 

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Vynce said:

And why is satisfaction contrary to love? 
Why do both feel good? 

Satisfaction is directly related with our needs such as music, food, sex, astrology, law of attraction etc...

Satisfaction is the main feeling of self.

Love fulfill us completely, takes control over us, overwhelm us.

İmagine the girl or men you be in love so much, which only based on one body and person. 

Real Love is being in love entirely with Allah, God and Universe, with everything .

That's how it feels, overwhelmes, makes you dizzy and burnes till bone to bones. 

This is the purpose of anything, purpose of being alive. 

Have you ever be in Love? No one can tell you, But you know you are in Love.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Vynce said:

Fair point.

But that concludes Not everything is Love.

Because one does not stay in a state of enlightenment. For most it’s just a temporary phenomenon. 

The perception of truth might be temporary for some. The truth itself is permenant. 

[James123]

6 minutes ago, Vynce said:

Because one does not stay in a state of enlightenment. For most it’s just a temporary phenomenon. 

This is not correct. Enlightment will wipe you out.

[Spiritual Warfare]

The truth is not love, love is created by our consciousness, and anything created is not absolute. Existence is neutral, there is no inherent hierarchy, no “more” or “less” in value. Everything is in balance, nothing stands out more than anything else.

[r0ckyreed]

Love is also falsehood as well. Why would love not include falsehood? Hence, existence is created.

[Vynce]

22 minutes ago, James123 said:

Satisfaction is directly related with our needs such as music, food, sex, astrology, law of attraction etc...

Satisfaction is the main feeling of self.

Love fulfill us completely, takes control over us, overwhelm us.

İmagine the girl or men you be in love so much, which only based on one body and person. 

Real Love is being in love entirely with Allah, God and Universe, with everything .

That's how it feels, overwhelmes, makes you dizzy and burnes till bone to bones. 

This is the purpose of anything, purpose of being alive. 

Have you ever be in Love? No one can tell you, But you know you are in Love.

Alright so tell me, how does one go about integrated love in life.

Of course I have a direct idea of your reasoning, but this kind of love is like a flower on the tree of human affair (suffering, survival, pain, egoic domination ect.). 

This kind of loves feels like the ice cap of a mountain to be climbed with a lot of human sweat.

[Vynce]

10 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

Love is also falsehood as well. Why would love not include falsehood? Hence, existence is created.

Alright, so you would negate Leo's point "only Truth is equal to Love"? 

Because put precisely, it would be "Everything is Love" - and Love not as a state of goodness in the human realm. Rather a state of good being in the spiritual realm. Is this how you see it?

I'm really testing the definitions here, because I don't want to spread a spiritual insight of some other, without deeply understanding it for myself.