Power is important if you want to raise collective consciousness

[Da77en]

17 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Could also be the other way around. One who wants to talk about "consciousness“ in multifaceted ways is making spirituality into too much of an intellectual pursuit.

I can see how someone could make that argument. The intellect is one dimensional and surface layered. Consciousness is multi dimensional and multifaceted. If someone wants to determine whether they are making their spirituality overly intellectual or not, they need to look at their results. If it’s bringing them into more aligned, healthy, self empowered, and expanded states they are are progressing. That’s my perspective.

Edited yesterday at 12:29 AM by Da77en

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Da77en said:

I can see how someone could make that argument. The intellect is one dimensional and surface layered. Consciousness is multi dimensional and multifaceted. If someone wants to determine whether they are making their spirituality overly intellectual or not, they need to look at their results. If it’s bringing them into more aligned, healthy, and self empowered states they are are progressing. That’s my perspective.

What can you even say about consciousness without being intellectual? Do you even know it exists? What is it?

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Sadhguru's Daughter is an Indian Dancer (Radhe Jaggi is a Bharatanatyam artiste (It is a classical dance form recognized by the Sangeet Natak Akademi, and expresses South Indian religious themes and spiritual ideas of Hinduism and Jainism.) based out of Chennai, India.) 

When Covid hit, Isha almost went bust, there were no programs going on and it was hard on the Foundation to raise funds to support the organization, there are some 4,000 full time volunteers at the Ashram in India that have to eat and such, plus the maintainence of the place, and the ashram in the USA and what is happening there, plus they do medical support for a ton of villages in South India and other programs that require money to support that effort, never mind the Spiritual programs and such...

I saw this, really good, she transmit a lot, power and purity 

 

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

I saw this, really good, she transmit a lot, power and purity 

 

Yes its very nice, she's something else for sure...It takes hard work and skill to do that sort of dance, it reminds me of martial arts, certain arts have similar type movements as the way she is dancing, they say all martial arts trace back to India, since Bodhidarma travelled to China and from that Kung Fu was created which is also said to be the birth place of all martial arts, maybe India is for real...

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Yes its very nice, she's something else for sure...It takes hard work and skill to do that sort of dance, it reminds me of martial arts, certain arts have similar type movements as the way she is dancing, they say all martial arts trace back to India, since Bodhidarma travelled to China and from that Kung Fu was created which is also said to be the birth place of all martial arts, maybe India is for real...

Yes, she has great technic but that technic is at service of the expression.  she's not slave of the technic, she's using it for the openess

I see martial arts like rigid, more martial than art, but maybe I didn't watch enough 

Edited yesterday at 12:43 AM by Breakingthewall

[Da77en]

15 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

What can you even say about consciousness without being intellectual? Do you even know it exists? What is it?

Anything we say on a forum or speak about is conceptual and thus is of the intellect.

The point is to turn the conceptual information into a direct understanding of whatever is being said. The intellect isn’t the fundamental issue, its mistaking concepts with direct understandings.

You know consciousness exists by the fact that you are experiencing it right now.

Consciousness is what you are experiencing, life is consciousness, you are consciousness, and there are higher levels of consciousness.

intellectual concepts themselves aren’t sufficient when it comes to expanding your consciousness. Direct experience and direct understanding of life is what is necessary.

Edited yesterday at 12:46 AM by Da77en

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Da77en said:

 

Consciousness is what you are experiencing, life is consciousness, you are consciousness, and there are higher levels of consciousness.

That just sounds like a belief. Where are these higher levels of consciousness. How do you know life is consciousness.

[Da77en]

7 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

That just sounds like a belief. Where are these higher levels of consciousness. How do you know life is consciousness.

The spiritual path is all about becoming more aware of higher levels of consciousness and expanding your consciousness.

If you want an experience of higher levels of consciousness the easiest way is to take a psychedelic, just be cautious because it’s can be extremely profound.

In order to understand that life is consciousness you have to become aware that all of life only exists within your consciousness. All dualities collapse into one thing and we call it “consciousness”. There is no such thing as an “outside” physical reality, it’s all happening within consciousness.

Edited yesterday at 12:59 AM by Da77en

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Da77en said:

The spiritual path is all about becoming more aware of higher levels of consciousness and expanding your consciousness.

If you want an experience of higher levels of consciousness the easiest way is to take a psychedelic, just be cautious because it’s can be extremely profound.

In order to understand that life is consciousness you have to become aware that all of life only exists within your consciousness. All dualities collapse into one thing and we call it “consciousness”. There is no such thing as an “outside” physical reality, it’s all happening within consciousness.

Well i did take psychedelics and such. 
Anyway it’s fine consciousness is just a word imo.

[Breakingthewall]

31 minutes ago, Da77en said:

• Consciousness is what you are experiencing, life is consciousness, you are consciousness, and there are higher levels of consciousness.

intellectual concepts themselves aren’t sufficient when it comes to expanding your consciousness. Direct experience and direct understanding of life is what is necessary

It's very difficult to think in it that. What is conciousness? Like the level of depth of the experience, the purity, transparency of perception. But the experience happens equally if you have deep perception of swallow. Then what is exactly perception? 

[Breakingthewall]

20 minutes ago, Da77en said:

The spiritual path is all about becoming more aware of higher levels of consciousness and expanding your consciousness.

If you want an experience of higher levels of consciousness the easiest way is to take a psychedelic, just be cautious because it’s can be extremely profound.

In order to understand that life is consciousness you have to become aware that all of life only exists within your consciousness. All dualities collapse into one thing and we call it “consciousness”. There is no such thing as an “outside” physical reality, it’s all happening within consciousness.

It's very difficult to think in it that. What is conciousness? Like the level of depth of the experience, the purity, transparency of perception. But the experience happens equally if you have deep perception of swallow. Then what is exactly perception? 

[Da77en]

21 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's very difficult to think in it that. What is conciousness? Like the level of depth of the experience, the purity, transparency of perception. But the experience happens equally if you have deep perception of swallow. Then what is exactly perception? 

You are consciousness. If you need an anchor point to understand consciousness, just bring yourself back to the understanding that I am consciousness.

Consciousness and experience is the same thing. If you weren’t conscious there would be no experience.

Consciousness itself is fundamental, it’s just that there are more expanded states of consciousness and less expanded states of consciousness.

Joy, love, bliss, passion, excitement, ecstasy, and other positive states are expansive states. In expanded states you are more receptive to gaining higher level and more holistic understandings of life, which can lead to profound benefits.

Perception is pretty much just another way of saying consciousness. People use these kinds of words to describe different things. Using different words might allow someone to better explain certain aspects of consciousness.

Edited yesterday at 01:43 AM by Da77en

[Ishanga]

This sort of discussion has happened before on this forum, and is sometimes plagued by differing definitions of words...

Consciousness has two Meanings, One Meaning is that Consciousness is akin the Brahman or Absolute, it is the very source of all Creation and Non Creation, what I call a Grand Intelligence and Awareness, its not localized or personified via any God...

Then the 2nd meaning is how Aware are we in daily life (how Alert or Perceptive are we) and as well how Aware are we of this 1st sort of Consciousness or Brahaman/Absolute in our own lives and what role is plays in our lives and all living and non living things..

We sometimes are juxtaposing the meaning in our communication, using one definition when meaning the other and so forth which causes confusion to those reading...

 

[Da77en]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

This sort of discussion has happened before on this forum, and is sometimes plagued by differing definitions of words...

Consciousness has two Meanings, One Meaning is that Consciousness is akin the Brahman or Absolute, it is the very source of all Creation and Non Creation, what I call a Grand Intelligence and Awareness, its not localized or personified via any God...

Then the 2nd meaning is how Aware are we in daily life (how Alert or Perceptive are we) and as well how Aware are we of this 1st sort of Consciousness or Brahaman/Absolute in our own lives and what role is plays in our lives and all living and non living things..

We sometimes are juxtaposing the meaning in our communication, using one definition when meaning the other and so forth which causes confusion to those reading...

 

Yes, well said.

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

That just sounds like a belief. Where are these higher levels of consciousness. How do you know life is consciousness.

You say this is just belief, then ask another question, is his answer also going to be just another belief?? It makes no sense communicating this way, all communications are a sharing of beliefs and experiences btwn ppl, lol, no one is asking anyone to believe or disbelieve, its all about understanding one another on a basic level...

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Da77en said:

You are consciousness

I think that's a kind of mistake, what I am, or the reality, is total potential, and perception happens in that potential. It's a subtle difference. Experience is not absolute, happens in the absolute. It's very difficult to think in it because without conciousness of the now there is not now, apparently. For conciousness exist, an object to be conscious of needs to be, a reflection of the absolute in itself, but ultimately what reality is is beyond conciousness. 

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Yes its very nice, she's something else for sure...It takes hard work and skill to do that sort of dance, it reminds me of martial arts, certain arts have similar type movements as the way she is dancing, they say all martial arts trace back to India, since Bodhidarma travelled to China and from that Kung Fu was created which is also said to be the birth place of all martial arts, maybe India is for real...

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBsChS7uyRF/?igsh=MWllcXA4NmN2bzI4bw==

This is amazing