Taking action for a more evolved world - megathread

[Da77en]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

He's basically saying that all of these words aren't IT.  Truth is ineffable.

However to say there is no one to know it isn't quite true.

The reality it is knowable via Being it or becoming it.

Don't worry this was an ongoing argument with @James123 and he was banned and reinstated after many years.  

The point is there isn't a self to know Truth but there is a Self - which is Nothing.  That can become it.  

Thanks for clarification. I agree that any word isn't it, any word is just an offering and a guide for someone to gain direct experience.

@James123 All I will say that these distinctions are probably where you might be getting confused. If you know something you are conscious of it. We could just use the word Knowing and never talk about consciousness and it would mean the same thing. And if you are not defining Self as Consciousness I'm not sure how you are defining it, Nothing is consciousness. My perspective of the term nothing is that nothing is just another way of saying formless. Just remember that consciousness is also “everything” which just means all form. Consciousness is both formlessness and all from. It’s not one or the other.

Edited Tuesday at 01:25 AM by Da77en

[James123]

@Da77en what I am saying is that the silence and not knowing are the absolute answer of any question. 

Great conversation thank you brother. 

Time for me to go to sleep. 

Good night, peace!

Much love. 

 

[Da77en]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

@Da77en what I am saying is that the silence and not knowing are the absolute answer of any question. 

Great conversation thank you brother. 

Time for me to go to sleep. 

Good night, peace!

Much love. 

 

Good conversation, thanks.

[Breakingthewall]

10 hours ago, James123 said:

The point is when there is no identification, there is no you. 

Always is identification with the body because the body exist. If they roast you in a grill for 3 days you will see. Openness to the absolute is just that, openenss. Then, from that openenss you align the relative as much as you can, but the relative is real, you can't scape from it. Everything is the absolute, and everything is relative to another relative reflection, that's how the reality is. 

[James123]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Always is identification with the body because the body exist.

Where is it when you are in deep sleep? 

You always imagine the scenarios.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

Where is it when you are in deep sleep? 

You always imagine the scenarios.

Deep sleep is just a mental idea, same than death or birth. If your memory is totally erased, where is deep sleep? 

[Breakingthewall]

11 hours ago, Da77en said:

Consciousness is the same as knowing.

Being is the same thing as consciousness.

Illusion means you are misperceiving the nature of something, any kind of illusion means you are misperceiving a certain aspect of consciousness, but consciousness itself is not an illusion. In order to misperceive something, you must first be conscious.

Illusion is a misleading word that the "spiritual" people use to make the others feel that they are very special and know something very mysterious. There is not illusion, there is relative perspective, the experience. When they say: you don't exist brother! You are dreaming!!!! You Could translate it as: I'm a looser that want to be special. It's so annoying, spirituality is something real, but that shit is a big hindrance because the people is full of ego 

For now for me the best way to describe the thing is that there are two perspectives, one relative, the experience, that is perception, what means that is relative to other things. And another the absolute perspective, that is what you are without relationship with anything else. 

What you are without relationship with anything else is not silence, or deep sleep or that things that means nothing, is existence, the totality. The totality exist because has not opposite, non existence doesn't exist, then the totality exist always, out of the time. The totality has a character, it's not neutral, because there is not balance between existence and non existence, because only existence exist, then it's positive push, that's why there are infinite big bangs and that. You are that and everything is that, inside your mind is the totality of the existence, and you are inside of the totality of existence, inside and outside and equal in infinity, same than the part and the whole. If you want to see what you are, you have to totally empty your mind until even the feeling of you body dissapear, absolutely nothing, totally void, then what existence is is manifested

[James123]

27 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Deep sleep is just a mental idea, same than death or birth. If your memory is totally erased, where is deep sleep? 

Exactly. Therefore, Body is just a thought or a memory. 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, James123 said:

Exactly. Therefore, Body is just a thought or a memory. 

Sure, then let's someone torture you with fire for a while and ignore it

[James123]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure, then let's someone torture you with fire for a while and ignore it

This is just an imagination. İf there is a snake in front of you right now, if it doesn't bite you at the moment, and you think it will bite you, that's an imagination. Because there is no future. Just now. 

[Breakingthewall]

@James123 in deep sleep you dissapear because your brain stops. Your brain is the relative experience, that has a beginning and and end, but you are the absolute are not just that, this is a manifestation of the absolute. The absolute is the whole, then when you are in deep sleep I'm awake, I'm another facet of you, but you can't see it because you are attached to the relative you, that's why you say that about deep sleep, because you can't detach yourself from the relative. 

The absolute is the substance of the reality, has no dimensions, it's the being, the source of the dimensions. To realize it you have to turn off the relative, that of deep sleep is in the relative realm

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@James123 in deep sleep you dissapear because your brain stops. Your brain is the relative experience, that has a beginning and and end, but you are the absolute are not just that, this is a manifestation of the absolute. The absolute is the whole, then when you are in deep sleep I'm awake, I'm another facet of you, but you can't see it because you are attached to the relative you, that's why you say that about deep sleep, because you can't detach yourself from the relative. 

The absolute is the substance of the reality, has no dimensions, it's the being, the source of the dimensions. To realize it you have to turn off the relative, that of deep sleep is in the relative realm

Unfortunately not brother. Deep Sleep=Before so called Birth= After Death=Now are identical because there is no such thing as brain, thought or etc... Only differences is you are attached to so called thoughts, that creates so called life. We are so called living in and on Nothing. Blink an eye of endless and infinite ocean. Because it never begins. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

Unfortunately not brother. Deep Sleep=Before so called Birth= After Death=Now are identical because there is no such thing as brain, thought or etc... Only differences is you are attached to so called thoughts, that creates so called life. We are so called living in and on Nothing. Blink an eye of endless and infinite ocean. Because it never begins. 

You are mixing the absolute and the relative. That way never works. The brain exist, obviously, like the earth,  atoms and everything. They are the relative manifestations of the absolute. The spirituality that deny the relative, the science (ejm leo ) , is incomplete, just a way to feel superior with a shortcut that leads nowhere. 

A though is as real as a stone, it's a relative structure. If you want to really open yourself to the absolute, you have to make your mind more plastic and abandon those ideas about the thoughts and that

[James123]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

You are mixing the absolute and the relative. That way never works. The brain exist, obviously, like the earth,  atoms and everything. They are the relative manifestations of the absolute. The spirituality that deny the relative, the science (ejm leo ) , is incomplete, just a way to feel superior with a shortcut that leads nowhere. 

A though is as real as a stone, it's a relative structure. If you want to really open yourself to the absolute, you have to make your mind more plastic and abandon those ideas about the thoughts and that

I totally get what you mean. But quite mind is way completely deep, there is no imgination there. I am not denying existence but It is exist as a drop within an ocean. Therefore, not a big deal. All left is Love.

[Breakingthewall]

36 minutes ago, James123 said:

Therefore, not a big deal. All left is Love.

43 minutes ago, James123 said:

 

You could call it love but for me that's not totally exact. If you totally empty your mind means that there is not relative anymore, then the absolute can manifest. Really the relative is the absolute, but as it has many facets and over all as we as a human have bias against the "negative", we perceive it veiled, blocked.

The absolute is the totality of existence without form, the absolute potential. This is the absolute will of existing, that is the same than existence, that has positive push because it has not opposite, that you call love, but love is not that imo, not exactly. When leo say: it's love because it's unity, thats wrong , it's still bias against separation. It's not unity, it's totality, there is a nuance. 

The absolute is the being that emerges from the absence the limits, and that's what we are. That is everything that was, is or will be, in it everything is included, and there is not inside or outside, not part and whole, because it's infinite. Infinite has not dimension, it's not big, huge, or anything, is just infinite, without dimension, the dimensions happen in it. 

Then people say, the relative is an illusion, a dream. It's totally misleading, because relatively it's real. Relative is relative, and that's it, can't not be because there are not limits that prevent that the absolute reflects in itself infinitely creating infinite appearances, then they are. They could say: they happen just in your mind, then they are a dream. But inside of your mind is the same than outside, a thought is the same than a stone, they are reflections of the infinity that creates perfect forms in perfect balance 

Edited Tuesday at 12:24 PM by Breakingthewall

[James123]

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You could call it love but for me that's not totally exact. If you totally empty your mind means that there is not relative anymore, then the absolute can manifest. Really the relative is the absolute, but as it has many facets and over all as we as a human have bias against the "negative", we perceive it veiled, blocked.

The absolute is the totality of existence without form, the absolute potential. This is the absolute will of existing, that is the same than existence, that has positive push because it has not opposite, that you call love, but love is not that imo, not exactly. When leo say: it's love because it's unity, thats wrong , it's still bias against separation. It's not unity, it's totality, there is a nuance. 

The absolute is the being that emerges from the absence the limits, and that's what we are. That is everything that was, is or will be, in it everything is included, and there is not inside or outside, not part and whole, because it's infinite. Infinite has not dimension, it's not big, huge, or anything, is just infinite, without dimension, the dimensions happen in it. 

Then people say, the relative is an illusion, a dream. It's totally misleading, because relatively it's real. Relative is relative, and that's it, can't not be because there are not limits that prevent that the absolute reflects in itself infinitely creating infinite appearances, then they are. They could say: they happen just in your mind, then they are a dream. But inside of your mind is the same than outside, a thought is the same than a stone, they are reflections of the infinity that creates perfect forms in perfect balance 

For one minute, forget everything you had experienced, lay back, open the record player, listen the song you love. 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, James123 said:

For one minute, forget everything you had experienced, lay back, open the record player, listen the song you love. 

I'm putting in words what I experienced and understood when I totally stop my mind, not what I learned. I totally understand what you mean with love, but it's still in the relative. Your feelings are not the absolute, are relative to that song or to something else. The love is made of the material of the absolute, like the hate, but realizing the absolute needs a step back

[James123]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I'm putting in words what I experienced and understood when I totally stop my mind, not what I learned. I totally understand what you mean with love, but it's still in the relative. Your feelings are not the absolute, are relative to that song or to something else. The love is made of the material of the absolute, like the hate, but realizing the absolute needs a step back

Of course love is dual and can be it. But in this so called human form when You be, all there is Love. 

Moreover, it has nothing to do with love you mention as hate. That's a personal love what i am saying is love to universe. 

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[gettoefl]

17 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

each micro gesture points in a certain direction. each word has an infinite butterfly effect. The monstrously large entity that is the collective ego, which draws its power from all of humanity's processing capacity, which is genetically encoded, has tides and currents, like geological movements.

You are part of that, every communication, word, gesture, feeling, connection with another person reverberates in infinity. spread what you want to collect, it's all you

Love this. If I may, here is a prayer dualistic in nature that I wrote that echoes this sentiment

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My Beloved, I come to you requesting your infusion of inspiration and direction in thought and deed. I open myself to the truth of love and the unlimited wholeness that I am. Help me see through every thought that claims separation so that I may know my only desire - a desire for oneness with all, abiding in your peace.

May I remember that mind healing is my purpose, and that with every kind thought and every act of patience, I am actively restoring Your divine presence in myself and those around me. Let me become an example of this kind of healing, so that I bring hope, health and happiness to others and in so doing see in them the light of your love.

My Beloved, I have come to know you as my constant guest and guide. I offer you this tiny gesture to make everything whole, certain that you will expand it beyond my reach. Help me lay down the need to control or fix, and instead, let me tune in to your words, which leads me toward peace and mercy and love.

May I remember that I am not alone, for you are with me. And may this awareness dissolve all fear, heal all enmity, and reunite me with my true purpose - to share your love with all and to extend the joy of being with You. I trust your hand, and I place my will in yours, that together we may demonstrate healing and unity.

Amen.