Taking action for a more evolved world - megathread

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, Da77en said:

You don't need to try to change anything, change is automatic, action just guides the changes of your life in whatever direction you take action in. If the Self is not important, what is. The individual personality identity is not very important because its just a mask, but the Self is. Most people just don't have any idea of what the Self actually is and how amazing it is, they are just too caught up in their limited identities to start experiencing their actual nature.

Yes, this is where the work is, ppl like James123 and other of the same thinking don't get it, if one is suffering or artifically blinded why not teach them how not to suffer or how to take off the blindfold? Its that simple, but the way they think is that its okay to suffer or be blind when its not necessary, I'll never understand that..

On the Absolute level (from which they are talking from), yes everything is perfect, but we are not living in the realm, its only a possibility Experientially, and if one is not in the Experience there are reasons and blocks as to why, we can get rid of those blocks via Sadhana so they realize the Absolute while here and Embodied..

[Da77en]

12 minutes ago, James123 said:

Have you ever fall in love? That's important, nothing else. 

Yes, and I have experienced states of ecstasy and love so profound that it is obvious that there is no other option than to expand in to such states. In order to to so you need to take action in that direction.

Most of the collective has just exploring states of lack of abundance, stress, etc. This is because the education systems have brought us up to think of everything through materialism and stage orange type ideals, in a very distorted kind of way. Basic abundance hasn't even been fully achieved yet, so many people even in the United States are living paycheck to paycheck.

No one can do everything alone so it's important we come together to start talking about solutions to such misalignments and take action.

Edited Monday at 10:16 PM by Da77en

[James123]

5 minutes ago, Da77en said:

Yes, and I have experienced states of ecstasy and love so profound that it is obvious that there is no other option than to expand in to such states.

In that moment did you need to change anything?

[Da77en]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

In that moment did you need to change anything?

No, but life goes on and you "fall" out of those states if you haven't sufficiently cultivated them. If only like 5% of your life is full of those states what's the point?

Edited Monday at 10:13 PM by Da77en

[James123]

1 minute ago, Da77en said:

No, but life goes on and you "fall" out of those states if you haven't sufficiently cultivated them. If only like 5% of your life is full of those states what's the point?

When you surrender more including any idea, thought and beliefs, you will realize that You are that state, not you are reaching it. You are already.

[Da77en]

@James123 Yes, that state is your true nature, but no. Most of us are in states of being out of alignment with our true nature. If the fears and misalignments are not addressed your true nature will not happen automatically, once you clear out the misalignments it will indeed be automatic, but then there are also more expanded levels of it that you can achieve.

Edited Tuesday at 01:54 AM by Da77en

[Breakingthewall]

44 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

He doesn't use some of the same terminology, like when mentioning Ego, he refers to it more as Identity, and he does talk about the Mind and aspect of the Mind and Freedom as well, in the Inner Engineering course, there are 7 Online Courses one goes thru, then You learn the practice Shambhavi Mahamudra, in the 7 lessons, Your learn about the mechanics of Life, which include discussion on the 5 senses and Perception, Control of Your own nature, etc.. 2nd lesson is about Desire and the processes of Desire, 3rd lesson about Responsibility and what I call Free Will, 4th lesson is about Acceptance, "This Moment is Inevitable", 5th lesson about the various dimensions of the Mind, and Karma how it functions, 6th lesson is about Sound and how Vibration makes up everything, 7th lesson is about how to Create the Life You want.. So it very indepth about practical things in life, not what about Kundalini or those sorts of things associated with Yoga and Indian Spirituality, those things are covered later on...

There are other courses available and practices too, this one is the basic course but it is a path onto itself as well...

 

2 hours ago, Ishanga said:

 

Seems very interesting, I don't discard the possibility that the guy is real, let's see if one day I can overcome the resistance that I feel everytime that I listen him

[Da77en]

29 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Yes, this is where the work is, ppl like James123 and other of the same thinking don't get it, if one is suffering or artifically blinded why not teach them how not to suffer or how to take off the blindfold? Its that simple, but the way they think is that its okay to suffer or be blind when its not necessary, I'll never understand that..

On the Absolute level (from which they are talking from), yes everything is perfect, but we are not living in the realm, its only a possibility Experientially, and if one is not in the Experience there are reasons and blocks as to why, we can get rid of those blocks via Sadhana so they realize the Absolute while here and Embodied..

Exactly. Action and change is part of the perfection, not an exception to it. Everything we are doing right now is part of the perfection but that doesn't mean you use the idea of perfection as an excuse to not live how you prefer. If you want to live how you prefer, unless you are already in alignment with your true nature, it is going to take a lot of action. The actions I'm talking about are not just towards the world I'm talking about the spiritual practices as well. It's just that most of the world probably wont get significantly into spiritual practices if they are still caught up in lack of abundance, materialism, religious indoctrination, fear based ideologies, etc. 

Edited Monday at 10:35 PM by Da77en

[Breakingthewall]

19 minutes ago, Da77en said:

No, but life goes on and you "fall" out of those states if you haven't sufficiently cultivated them. If only like 5% of your life is full of those states what's the point?

The point is to open yourself to the absolute as many times as you can. It is not love, it is the absolute without opposite, it is total existence that has no beginning or end, and although it does not move or have dimensions, it has a positive thrust: it is. it is being, existence. then you begin to see more clearly in your daily life and interpret the signals that appear, you begin to see where you were blind before, to understand the flow

[Da77en]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The point is to open yourself to the absolute as many times as you can. It is not love, it is the absolute without opposite, it is total existence that has no beginning or end, and although it does not move or have dimensions, it has a positive thrust: it is. it is being, existence. then you begin to see more clearly in your daily life and interpret the signals that appear, you begin to see where you were blind before, to understand the flow

When you talk about total existence, no dimensions, beingness I think of the inevitability of the present moment, or other insights that go into the formless nature of consciousness. I agree with that you will see more clearly in your daily life and interpret things better, but I see this simply as a foundation to continue expanding your consciousness, not necessarily the end point. The idea of transcending the intellect which buddhism is focusing on is great but I don't see that as the end of expansion, just a good foundation.

Edited Monday at 10:43 PM by Da77en

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Da77en said:

but I see this simply as a foundation to continue expanding your consciousness, not necessarily the end point.

If you manage to open yourself totally to the absolute that is, game over from an absolute perspective. Then you have to align the relative more and more, as much as you can in this life

[James123]

25 minutes ago, Da77en said:

@James123 Yes, that state your true nature, but no. Most of us are in states of being out of alignment with our true nature. If the fears and misalignments are not addressed your true nature will not happen automatically, once you clear out the misalignments it will indeed be automatic, but then there are also more expanded levels of it you can achieve.

The thing is misalignments are your attachment with thoughts such as making the world better. 

It is already You.

How many ants do you kill a day while walking?

[James123]

40 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Yes, this is where the work is, ppl like James123 and other of the same thinking don't get it, if one is suffering or artifically blinded why not teach them how not to suffer or how to take off the blindfold? Its that simple, but the way they think is that its okay to suffer or be blind when its not necessary, I'll never understand that

The thing is you guys are at the point to understand this;

You do not suffer, go or come back. You are already what You are.

The one who suffers is the ego itself.

[Da77en]

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

The thing is misalignments are your attachment with thoughts such as making the world better. 

It is already You.

How many ants do you kill a day while walking?

I don't attach myself with the insistence anything has to come to fruition. The actions in the direction of making a more evolved world don't generate any suffering within me, only passion.

I probably don't kill many ants while walking, ants probably have a better time than most humans.

Edited Monday at 10:52 PM by Da77en

[James123]

Just now, Da77en said:

I don't attach myself with the insistence anything has to come to fruition. The actions in the direction of making a more evolved world don't generate any suffering within me, only passion.

What about failure of passion? Won't it frustrate you? 

[Da77en]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

What about failure of passion? Won't it frustrate you? 

There is no such thing as failure of passion from my perspective, the state of passion is the point. Whether or not specific things come to fruition doesn't matter. I know that if I take action in a positive direction from a positive state, positive things will happen, that's all that matters to me. I have nothing else to do and might as well do something that can potentially result in ecstatic changes.

Edited Monday at 10:55 PM by Da77en

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

The thing is you guys are at the point to understand this;

You do not suffer, go or come back. You are already what You are.

The one who suffers is the ego itself.

You have to polish te human structure until it's as aligned as is possible . A lot of small changes must be done. That about saying that from an absolute perspective is the same being Hitler or Buda is in the absolute, but we are in the relative, I don't want a nightmare of madness

[Da77en]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't want a nightmare of madness

Exactly. Even if you are totally surrendered, you can still have preferences.

[James123]

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You have to polish te human structure until it's as aligned as is possible . A lot of small changes must be done. That about saying that from an absolute perspective is the same being Hitler or Buda is in the absolute, but we are in the relative, I don't want a nightmare of madness

If you were a German in 1950's, would you hate Hitler? Or is it relative?

If you are in a Muslim or christian cult that hates Buddhists, would you live Buddha? Or is it relative?

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Da77en said:

Exactly. Even if you are totally surrendered, you can still have preferences.

Definitely not. Totally surrendering is no self to decide or choose.

Preferences come from the self. Either you listen the mind or not.