Taking action for a more evolved world - megathread

[Da77en]

From what I have observed, there's a lot of discussion on this forum, and the spiritual community in general but there isn't enough action to balance that out. There really is no point to just talking about things without taking significant action on those things. This is a thread to discuss and come up with particular actions we can take both individually and collectively to produce a more evolved and Enlightened world.

I've seen that religious people have taken way more responsibility towards the world than the average self proclaimed spiritual person. If we want to continue evolving we need to start taking way, way, way more action and less talk. The unhealthy state of development this world has is a clear indicator that we have so much more work to do.

We don't even necessarily need to talk about Enlightenment at this point, just basic societal health.

Actions we could take

Start pushing to get basic aspects of consciousness taught in school such as state of being, beliefs, emotions, thoughts, behaviors, manifestation, fear, etc.

Provide for more accurate information when it comes to mental health

Transform the work culture of wage slavery. Doing things such as getting UBI, higher minimum wage, etc.

 

Edited November 11, 2024 by Da77en

[Ishanga]

Isha/Sadhguru has already taken on this task, Sadhguru has been at for 40yrs now, he's reached some 3+Billion ppl already.. 

There are many others too, not on that same scale, but the problem is when too many try to do it separately then problems arise, identities and ideologies arise, separation and competition arise, it no longer is about the masses becoming more Conscious, it become about My identity with my ideology and protecting it and promoting it, as can be seen here on this forum..

Ppl think I am some sort of Sadhguru ideologue, I am not, yes I would say I am a disciple of his, only because he makes the most sense, and the system/methods he promotes work the most effectively overall.  The point is it is not About Sadhguru, its about Raising the Human Consciousness, so that this world I live in is not so Crazy and Nuts and Divided and such, and that we can all live in a place that is much better, healthier and more Empowered than it is Now!

 

[lostingenosmaze]

Basically just do the thing

https://strangestloop.io/essays/things-that-arent-doing-the-thing?ref=read-this.email

[Breakingthewall]

each micro gesture points in a certain direction. each word has an infinite butterfly effect. The monstrously large entity that is the collective ego, which draws its power from all of humanity's processing capacity, which is genetically encoded, has tides and currents, like geological movements.

You are part of that, every communication, word, gesture, feeling, connection with another person reverberates in infinity. spread what you want to collect, it's all you

[Da77en]

21 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Isha/Sadhguru has already taken on this task, Sadhguru has been at for 40yrs now, he's reached some 3+Billion ppl already.. 

There are many others too, not on that same scale, but the problem is when too many try to do it separately then problems arise, identities and ideologies arise, separation and competition arise, it no longer is about the masses becoming more Conscious, it become about My identity with my ideology and protecting it and promoting it, as can be seen here on this forum..

Ppl think I am some sort of Sadhguru ideologue, I am not, yes I would say I am a disciple of his, only because he makes the most sense, and the system/methods he promotes work the most effectively overall.  The point is it is not About Sadhguru, its about Raising the Human Consciousness, so that this world I live in is not so Crazy and Nuts and Divided and such, and that we can all live in a place that is much better, healthier and more Empowered than it is Now!

 

I'm excited to see Isha get more involved with the west. I've thought about volunteering for Isha, it's just that it has a pretty conservative approach to spirituality. In order for Isha to become more and more mainstream from my perspective needs to start incorporating way more progressive ways of teaching, which I have seen it improving on recently. The kind of approach that works well for India wont necessarily work as good for the west.

Actualized.org is the most progressive/liberal spiritual movement I have seen in terms of the style of teaching. There needs to be a balance of conservatism and progressivism. One or the other doesn't allow for the necessary balance.

Edited November 11, 2024 by Da77en

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

The point is it is not About Sadhguru, its about Raising the Human Consciousness,

I don't doubt of the will of sadhguru, but he has a point ....let's say that his discourse, what it projects, does not point towards freedom, the total opening of the mind, the liberation of the ego, but rather it points towards supernatural ideas, the liberation of karma, reincarnation and everything that no one knows if it is real or not. . what is real is what you are and the potential for purity, for openness to the intelligence of reality, for total sovereignty over yourself. It seems that sadhguru wants to grant himself that sovereignty. But maybe it's just an misunderstanding because I don't understand him deep enough

[Schizophonia]

Non duality ; Become conscious that the "external" world is the "reflexion" of "you". 

Edited November 11, 2024 by Schizophonia

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Da77en said:

 

Actions we could take

Start pushing to get basic aspects of consciousness taught in school such as manifestation

 

Yea let’s also teach Tarot and Astrology in school.

[Da77en]

@PurpleTree I know that there is this idea that "manifestation" is some new age concept, it's actually not. Stage orange business men have been starting to pick up on it and you are manifesting whether you are aware of it or not. It just means that you understand how to get results in your life, that's about it. It has absolutely nothing to do with these less grounded new age concepts. Anyone who pays close enough attention can clearly see they are attracting the situations and circumstances they experience.

This is a very basic aspect of consciousness, people just insist on sticking to rigid materialist and scientific paradigms.

Edited November 11, 2024 by Da77en

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't doubt of the will of sadhguru, but he has a point ....let's say that his discourse, what it projects, does not point towards freedom, the total opening of the mind, the liberation of the ego, but rather it points towards supernatural ideas, the liberation of karma, reincarnation and everything that no one knows if it is real or not. . what is real is what you are and the potential for purity, for openness to the intelligence of reality, for total sovereignty over yourself. It seems that sadhguru wants to grant himself that sovereignty. But maybe it's just an misunderstanding because I don't understand him deep enough

He doesn't use some of the same terminology, like when mentioning Ego, he refers to it more as Identity, and he does talk about the Mind and aspect of the Mind and Freedom as well, in the Inner Engineering course, there are 7 Online Courses one goes thru, then You learn the practice Shambhavi Mahamudra, in the 7 lessons, Your learn about the mechanics of Life, which include discussion on the 5 senses and Perception, Control of Your own nature, etc.. 2nd lesson is about Desire and the processes of Desire, 3rd lesson about Responsibility and what I call Free Will, 4th lesson is about Acceptance, "This Moment is Inevitable", 5th lesson about the various dimensions of the Mind, and Karma how it functions, 6th lesson is about Sound and how Vibration makes up everything, 7th lesson is about how to Create the Life You want.. So it very indepth about practical things in life, not what about Kundalini or those sorts of things associated with Yoga and Indian Spirituality, those things are covered later on...

There are other courses available and practices too, this one is the basic course but it is a path onto itself as well...

 

[Ishanga]

@Da77en Publicly they are conservative, this is because Sadhguru want to be accepted by the society, the more indepth courses are more progressive and aggressive actually, there's lots to discover at Isha...

 

[Ishanga]

24 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Yea let’s also teach Tarot and Astrology in school.

Consciousness work/Spirituality has nothing to do with these things...

[James123]

@Da77en

Yesterday, I was a smart man that I tried to change the world.

Today, I am a wise man that I am changing myself.

Rumi.

[Da77en]

@James123

I have heard of that quote and agree with it, however, the societal structures are a reflection of your consciousness and if you only focus on improving your individual physical self there are things you wont become aware of. The simple action of responding to what is happening in your world in a positive and constructive way expands your consciousness and makes you more aware of particular changes you need to make within your individual self.

There definitely needs to be a balance between focusing on your individual growth and responding to things happening in the world. If you focus too much on one or the other I feel like you limit your overall growth a lot.

Edited November 11, 2024 by Da77en

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

@Da77en

Yesterday, I was a smart man that I tried to change the world.

Today, I am a wise man that I am changing myself.

Rumi.

Meant for the layman, Householder.. The Avatars, Great Sages, Yogis, Mystics/Gurus and Rishis that have come and gone, they came for a reason and were not normal human beings, we all have the same Potential, but not the same Capabilities at the same time in our life spans or this incarnation, Enlightened Beings and Mystics/Gurus/Sages are not the same or equal, find out what You want out of it, then make the plan and set action to it...

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Da77en said:

@James123

I have heard of that quote and agree with it, however, the societal structures are a reflection of your consciousness and if you only focus on improving your individual physical self there are things you wont become aware of. The simple action of responding to what is happening in your world in a positive and constructive way expands your consciousness and makes you more aware of particular changes you need to make within your individual self.

There definitely needs to be a balance between focusing on your individual growth and responding to things happening in the world. If you focus too much on one or the other I feel like you limit your overall growth a lot.

Everything is within, nothing is without. All is already perfect. 

[Da77en]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

Everything is within, nothing is without. All is already perfect. 

Yes, exactly. The world you are responding to is none other than you. So why make a distinction on changing the world and changing yourself. Perfection doesn't mean you take no action/don't respond to the things happening.

Edited November 11, 2024 by Da77en

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Da77en said:

Yes, exactly. So the world you are responding to is none other than you. So why make a distinction on changing the world and changing yourself. Perfection doesn't mean you take no action/respond to the things happening.

I am not trying to change anything, everything is already everything. 

Just sit back and be the show 

Nothing is personal. Specially ,Including for our self. We are not important.

[Da77en]

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

I am not trying to change anything, everything is already everything. 

Just sit back and be the show 

Nothing is personal. Specially ,Including for our self. We are not important.

You don't need to try to change anything, change is automatic, action just guides the automatic changes of your life in whatever direction you take action in. If the Self is not important, what is. The individual personality identity is not very important because its just a mask, but the Self is. Most people just don't have any idea of what the Self actually is and how amazing it is, because they are too caught up in their limited identities to start experiencing their actual nature.

Edited November 11, 2024 by Da77en

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Da77en said:

You don't need to try to change anything, change is automatic, action just guides the automatic changes of your life in whatever direction you take action in. If the Self is not important, what is. The individual personality identity is not very important because its just a mask, but the Self is. Most people just don't have any idea of what the Self actually is and how amazing it is, they are just too caught up in their limited identities to start experiencing their actual nature.

Have you ever fall in love? That's important, nothing else.