Disillusioned with Actualized.org

[Davino]

4 hours ago, BlueOak said:

Maybe its time to help someone else? And in doing so realise you are helping yourself? That this is a wakeup call to go collective minded rather than individual? In doing so you'll attain the next level of consciousness you are seeking through the interaction with others?

Just a different perspective to give you, everything has multiple dimensions to it.

Thanks for your sharing your perspective

Sure there's much to be learnt in this regard but I this route has already been exhausted. The earth is dry for the moment, and no flowers will blossom till spring comes

I'll make impact and connections with the world through other means, which I consider more efficient and fresh 

[Davino]

@Salvijus May Peace and Wisdom be always with you, at every moment, at every breath, at every place, may we always see the blessing of being alive and the discernment to live properly

For we are our own savior and our own devil

[Davino]

3 hours ago, gettoefl said:

The highest truth is

You are the only one who needs healing

I wouldn't call that the highest truth

The highest Truth is that Reality is Consciousness and God; this experience is a possibility in Infinity and all of Infinity simultaneously

Healing is an important truth 

I need a lot of healing, so does everyone. It is the fact of seeing our own limitation and disease what makes us great and wise in the end

3 hours ago, gettoefl said:

And AI won't help a lick

It does actually

I had hours long conversations with it for self-healing

Arguably better than formal therapy

3 hours ago, gettoefl said:

Ego will prefer you retire to the cave and keep stroking it blissfully

Ego is part of life

It's common in the intermediate parts of the path to be in self-denial of it or in desire of ego-annihilation. This is afterwards recontextualized, one fully understands why ego exist, how it comes to be at every breath and the beauty/intelligence in it. So one uses ego but ego does not become the master. This is part of maturity and self-understanding. One of the most liberating moments in my life was when I got free from all this ego compulsion and ego trascendence and finally I was able to be at ease in my own skin (Self-Love) and all pieces clicked in their universal place.

[Davino]

1 hour ago, Thought Art said:

Digital Dharma by Deepak Chopra

Thanks, I'll check it

[UnbornTao]

There might be some arrogance disguised as humility in there. It's easy to think of oneself as more advanced than one actually is, even tempting. I'd say we tend to generally overestimate our own level of understanding in this work. Logically piecing things together is often conflated with experiential confrontation and insight, especially in relation to existential subjects.

Edited 4 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Schizophonia]

3 hours ago, shree said:

Almost always, what’s reflected says more about the observer than the observed.

Yep.

[Princess Arabia]

Seeking for a climax you'll never have. Seeking for more in an infinite universe will surely lead to feeling disillusioned and disappointed. The only thing you have gained with your spiritual practices is a bigger spiritual ego.

 

 

 

[Davino]

28 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Seeking for a climax you'll never have. Seeking for more in an infinite universe will surely lead to feeling disillusioned and disappointed. The only thing you have gained with your spiritual practices is a bigger spiritual ego.

It's such a pity that you come in and say this

If you truly believe this, I have no desire to deconstruct it for you

[Davino]

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Arrogance disguised as humility.

It's easy to assume that, even tempting. Logically piecing things together gets too easily confused with actual experiential confrontation and understanding. 

Aren't you doing...

Well...

Exactly that with me?

[Davino]

So I'm gonna state the truth very bluntly

I am solid Tier 2 maturity

I've realized God, Infinity, Consciousness, Truth, Love, Perfection, Solipsism, Intelligence, Insanity, Ecstasy, Immortality, Reality, Strange Loops, Existence, Being, Universe, States, Space, Symmetry, Imagination...

The peaks are my expertise. My baseline is good enough, still working daily on it.

I have already achieved amazing things in my personal life and I'm turning just 22. I'm about to end two engineering degrees, I am fluent in 5 languages, I'm in a fulfilling 5year+ romantic relationship, I'm a martial artist... and the list goes on

Call me arrogant, okay, I'll call you jelous. I worked my ass off, every fucking day. You go on with your pretense but you ain't doing the work, really you are all casuals. Go tell me, what have you all done with your life so far?

I've outworked and outawoken you all, that's why I don't resonate any more with this place. I'll give my two cents here and there but that's all. I'm on for bigger things.

My big thanks to @Leo Gura, an absolute inspiration and one of the most genuine beings I had the chance to interact and learn from. You have me decades of advantage and I see it clearly: where am I and where are you, and where is most of the people. I'm very grounded and clear. Really looking forward to see more radically amazing content from you.

[Princess Arabia]

53 minutes ago, Davino said:

It's such a pity that you come in and say this

If you truly believe this, I have no desire to deconstruct it for you

Sorry. You're right. My apologies.

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

Seeking for a climax you'll never have. Seeking for more in an infinite universe will surely lead to feeling disillusioned and disappointed. The only thing you have gained with your spiritual practices is a bigger spiritual ego.

 

 

 

You've had some insight naturally that is good, and via a sharp intellect and curiosity that is Intense, but putting down Practices and such as You do, it is a shame since You have not really done it, if it wasn't for these practices I would not be the person I am today I know that 100%, these sorts of things have to be experienced, You haven't.. I had this arrogance within Me in my Martial Arts career, I learned one system, mastered it and thought I knew it all, after 18yrs of this sort of thing, I took a chance and experimented with something else, that experience blew me away, I realized in an instant I didn't know that much, and it was thru methods and practices that I realized this, so it is the same here, the practices of Yoga, Buddhism, Taoism and such are very very powerful, You just have not tried it or if you did it was not the right practice for you.. someday You may venture into it, hopefully You do!

[Princess Arabia]

27 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

but putting down Practices and such as You do, it is a shame since You have not really done it,

Another big fat spiritual ego telling someone what they've done or not done to seem more competent. I already apologized to Davino for coming off the way I did and I sincerely meant it. I won't apologize to you though because since Davino didn't come at me personally, I didn't need to respond the way I did. I'm not defending myself with you but I'm pointing out how these egos can tell someone they don't know and who have not said or not said if they do spiritual practices or not. You have made an assumption about me and that's just something the ego does to try and justify it's assumptive claims. There's nothing arrogant about telling someone their practice made them into a big spiritual ego, but it is arrogant to rate someone's spiritual advancements as good or because that implies you know when it's bad and spirituality is a personal journey. I don't care what your spiritual practices has done for your ego, it's irrelevant to the importance of spiritual practices, it's relative effects and validity of their claims. Walking can be a spiritual practice just as meditation can be a spiritual practice so can observation and the act of being curious about the nature of existence. Spiritual practices varies and can be personalized. 

You telling me that I have not done any and go on to defend yours by telling me what they have done for you is exactly why I say spiritual ego. Only the ego will find pleasure in spiritual competition and go about feeling a sense of accomplishment for it's own self-importance. There are so many Jehovah witness spiritualist who like to save you from your delusion by telling you to do your practices and drugs and say you know nothing until you've done these things. Not saying that's what you're doing with me - just pointing out how this field can breed the same kind that are in the religious community. Trying to save somebody. Anyway, the point is I cannot take anybody credible when all I see is someone assuming things about me when they don't know. Your elite spiritual practices with the approval stamp written on it might and worked for you because you have the power within to make them work might be just as good or as effective as one simply aligning themselves to the God power within. If you didn't know, it's not the practice itself that worked for you, it was the belief that it will work and the already God power within that activated that healing. Not the practice itself.

Edited Monday at 10:27 PM by Princess Arabia

[integration journey]

9 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

https://integrallife.com/journal-of-integral-theory-and-practice/

Guys may need a good structure to sustain their practice. With no structure all becomes a lose chaos leading nowhere.

Is subscribing to this journal a good investment in your opinion? 

[Rafael Thundercat]

14 hours ago, integration journey said:

Is subscribing to this journal a good investment in your opinion? 

I am just subscribed for the newsletters. I recommend the book " Integral Life Practoce by Ken Wilber Terry Patten Adam Leonard & Marco Morelli.

For exemple, in regrard with the disilusionment of Davino with the Forum the book say: 

Page 114 and 115

" Whether its your President or your next door neighbor, its incredibly liberating to realize that if someone doesnt agree with you (eg. In matters of politics,religion,art,economics etc.) It migth just be that they're at a different level of consciouness ( higher or lower) in that particular line. This will help you to understand why you wont get them to agree with you,no matter how hard you try. Developmental disconnects occur when you comminicate over the head of other person,literally. * Try rationally discussing democracy with a tribal warlord or debating the finer points of quantum physics with a 5 year old. Good luck convincing a fundamentalist that many different religions are paths up to the same spiritual mountain. There are better ways to spend a saturday Nigth." 

Get this book and see your practice change for good. Of course if you practice. 

[Buck Edwards]

It's always a good place for newbies. I wish more people would join but there's always a shortage of people in the spiritual arena. It becomes a rut after a while interacting with the same people. And of course everything has its pros and cons and eventually it runs it's course. 

[UnbornTao]

On 11/11/2024 at 8:58 PM, Davino said:

Aren't you doing...

Well...

Exactly that with me?

No, and in my view you are not being sufficiently self-honest. To be clear, my gripe isn’t with any particular set of teachings. It’s also fine if you want to think that about yourself.

I wanted to distinguish belief from experience, as they are easily conflated. Understanding this difference isn't as simple as just hearing about it, and there are degrees to it. Coming from genuine experiential insight is completely different than the impressions the individual makes on us.

It's about being straightforward with oneself and one's experience and level of understanding.

Edited yesterday at 10:12 AM by UnbornTao

[RightHand]

16 hours ago, Davino said:

So I'm gonna state the truth very bluntly

I am solid Tier 2 maturity

I've realized God, Infinity, Consciousness, Truth, Love, Perfection, Solipsism, Intelligence, Insanity, Ecstasy, Immortality, Reality, Strange Loops, Existence, Being, Universe, States, Space, Symmetry, Imagination...

The peaks are my expertise. My baseline is good enough, still working daily on it.

I have already achieved amazing things in my personal life and I'm turning just 22. I'm about to end two engineering degrees, I am fluent in 5 languages, I'm in a fulfilling 5year+ romantic relationship, I'm a martial artist... and the list goes on

Call me arrogant, okay, I'll call you jelous. I worked my ass off, every fucking day. You go on with your pretense but you ain't doing the work, really you are all casuals. Go tell me, what have you all done with your life so far?

I've outworked and outawoken you all, that's why I don't resonate any more with this place. I'll give my two cents here and there but that's all. I'm on for bigger things.

My big thanks to @Leo Gura, an absolute inspiration and one of the most genuine beings I had the chance to interact and learn from. You have me decades of advantage and I see it clearly: where am I and where are you, and where is most of the people. I'm very grounded and clear. Really looking forward to see more radically amazing content from you.

I'm curious, why did you feel the need to post this ? 

 

[Inliytened1]

@Davino great work and congrats on outgrowing this place especially at such a young age.  Much congrats keep it up and keep growing and evolving.   You're going to do great things.   I understand where you are and this is something that should he embraced.  Good luck sir.

Edited Wednesday at 02:55 AM by Inliytened1

[Keryo Koffa]

On 11/11/2024 at 7:10 PM, Davino said:

At this point, all discussions have already been had.
Unless it is the social experience and connection what motivates us all to bind together

On 11/11/2024 at 7:28 PM, Davino said:

I need a lot of healing, so does everyone.
It is the fact of seeing our own limitation and disease what makes us great and wise in the end

On 11/11/2024 at 7:41 PM, Da77en said:

The more Enlightened, the more engaged you need to be in helping the planet.

On 11/11/2024 at 10:19 PM, Davino said:

I've realized God, Infinity, Consciousness, Truth, Love, Perfection, Solipsism, Intelligence, Insanity, Ecstasy, Immortality, Reality, Strange Loops, Existence, Being, Universe, States, Space, Symmetry, Imagination...

I have already achieved amazing things in my personal life and I'm turning just 22

I've outworked and outawoken you all, that's why I don't resonate any more with this place. I'll give my two cents here and there but that's all. I'm on for bigger things.

My big thanks to @Leo Gura, an absolute inspiration and one of the most genuine beings

Absolutely agree. I had my manic phase not too long ago.
This place is a community to cherish, we all have our own lives to live and paths to walk.
Arguing about conceptual details gets kinda old 😅

Still a great place to come by every now and then though.