What do you think about anti trump protests starting right now?

[Ishanga]

20 hours ago, Davino said:

How naive

Hitler was voted

Then as the 51% has the power to dominate the 49% then that's end of the story 

Please may the 49% of the population put down your pants and get ready to get fucked in the ass

Don't do anything about it, you'll be disturbing the process!

How can anyone hold such childish views. Do you know the role that the opposition plays in democracy? Literally, even without being in power, they have important duties and responsibilities for keeping the government in check. I'm just saying, they must exert them within the limits of the law and democracy. Which is a very sound and grounded point.

Of course the ppl are going to watch what he does and make sure it is not illegal or within the bounds of his powers, that I am not against, but the intent of your previous posts suggested to me that You want ppl to rise up and fight hard against him, and try to stop him from doing what he has to do, that is not correct action.. let him do what he has to do, see what comes of it, then if its crazy stuff do what You have to do..

I'm not naive either, I'm probably twice Your age, done more than You, seen more than You, voted more than You, so please watch the ego You have, when someone disagrees it shows its ugly face...

[BlueOak]

Fascism requires the suppression of protests because it cannot operate with secondary dissenting voices; the leadership of these countries is usually too fragile and top-heavy to allow it. It fosters demagogues, tyrants, or partly criminal personalities to rise to power who will take that power the second they can.

People's voice is their own and their ability to protest and voice it, whether it's 1 person, a 100, or a million is a fundamental difference between democracy and the fascism people are jumping toward with open arms. A democracy is enriched by dissenting voices as it can constantly reform itself to suit the population, whereas an autocracy is one or a few voices deciding the way.

[zurew]

2 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Awareness and honesty that "I do not know" leads not to passivity. It leads to peace. And peace behaves very differently than salty egos. When you see bunch of salty egos defending their perception of the world, that is the clue they have failed to admit "I do know know". Arrogance is just another word I sometimes use for lack of honesty.

That again seems to be an issue with lack of justification rather than with anger or with anything like that.

You try to point to the fact that you think they are not knowledgeable enough to take the action or they are not justified in taking the action.

You use anger as a proxy to infer that they are not justified or that they don't have good reasons to do what they are doing - but thats just a proxy. One can be angry and justified and knowledgeable. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

There are scenarios where the certainty for a given thing is indeed high and an argument can be made for that and it is not just cope - you need to entertain this possibility - although yes, this is often not the case.

[Salvijus]

3 hours ago, zurew said:

That again seems to be an issue with lack of justification rather than with anger or with anything like that.

You try to point to the fact that you think they are not knowledgeable enough to take the action or they are not justified in taking the action.

You use anger as a proxy to infer that they are not justified or that they don't have good reasons to do what they are doing - but thats just a proxy. One can be angry and justified and knowledgeable. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

There are scenarios where the certainty for a given thing is indeed high and an argument can be made for that and it is not just cope - you need to entertain this possibility - although yes, this is often not the case.

Anger is not necessary to protest. When you're in alignment with truth, you can be driven by vision and inspiration instead. This type of protesting has a different kind of energy behind it. It's more inclusive, wholesome, where everyone is being encouraged to see your vision. Where you want to inspire people with your vision that you believe will be of the betterment of all. And you will not get angry if somebody points out a flaw in your vision but rather you will make adjustments and improve your vision even more so it would be even of more benefit than before. 

Whereas the way ego protests, it's just a self serving mechanism although it tries to claim that it is very altruistic aswell and that its vision is what's best for the world. However its energy will be very different. It will be more exclusive, it will project that there are "enemies" that need to be eliminated. It will then opt for violent ways to shut down this so called "enemies" by slandering, censoring, or even killing if must be. (as in trump assassination attempt). And it will do all that in the name of justice and peace. But it's just unconscious hard cope and ego defense mechanism in the end. 

In my perception the protests that are happening after the election falls under the second catagory. But everyone is free to have their own perception of the situation. 

Edited Monday at 03:11 PM by Salvijus

[ryandesreu]

On 11/9/2024 at 9:44 PM, whh2222 said:

the man was pardoned by the supreme court after being convicted of a felony so he could run again. the man attempted a coup. This wasn't a normal democratic process. 

The president elect is currently on bail across four major criminal cases. Let that sink in a minute. 

[Ishanga]

27 minutes ago, ryandesreu said:

The president elect is currently on bail across four major criminal cases. Let that sink in a minute. 

That may be so, and before I say anything further, I am not a Trump supporter, no am I a Harris supports, I think the whole system is corrupt and it doesn't matter who is in office, nothing is working right so the Masses of ppl benefit from it!
 

The establishment doesn't like Trump that is for sure, so I like that, plus they roasted him daily while he was president like I have never seen anyone roasted before, that shows You something.. So although I think for sure he's done some nasty things, they all do at that level, he's no Putin, and it possible all these charges and such are made up to keep him from getting where he is at now, that is how messed up this system is, the Establishment will do anything to have things stay the same,, That's my take on it, I don't know what he's done for sure, but just saying that because of these charges and such that he is this or that, well anything can be created to stop something from happening, for pete's sake they shot JFK didn't they, making up charges is nothing compared to that...

[Yimpa]

42 minutes ago, ryandesreu said:

The president elect is currently on bail across four major criminal cases. Let that sink in a minute. 

We have hit an iceberg and are now slowly drowning, that’s for sure.

[ryandesreu]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

That may be so, and before I say anything further, I am not a Trump supporter, no am I a Harris supports, I think the whole system is corrupt and it doesn't matter who is in office, nothing is working right so the Masses of ppl benefit from it!
 

The establishment doesn't like Trump that is for sure, so I like that, plus they roasted him daily while he was president like I have never seen anyone roasted before, that shows You something.. So although I think for sure he's done some nasty things, they all do at that level, he's no Putin, and it possible all these charges and such are made up to keep him from getting where he is at now, that is how messed up this system is, the Establishment will do anything to have things stay the same,, That's my take on it, I don't know what he's done for sure, but just saying that because of these charges and such that he is this or that, well anything can be created to stop something from happening, for pete's sake they shot JFK didn't they, making up charges is nothing compared to that...

Trump’s claim to be anti-establishment doesn’t automatically mean he aims to replace the government with a less corrupt system. While he talks about fighting elites, during his presidency he appointed many wealthy donors, lobbyists, and corporate insiders to key roles. This didn’t reduce corruption but instead kept some of the same structures in place. His tax policies, which included big cuts for corporations and high-income earners, also raised questions about whether his actions truly challenged the “establishment.”

Also, Trump’s focus on loyalty outweighs a commitment to real systemic change. He praises allies who support him and criticize those who don’t. This focus on personal loyalty over broader reform has led some to question whether his anti-establishment stance is more about building his own power than about fixing the government for everyone.

Trump's legal cases aren't just made up. In the Georgia case, for instance, there are recorded phone calls where he asked officials to “find” enough votes to change the outcome. Federal cases also involve claims he tried to use legal channels to overturn results, with evidence from close aides and officials who describe efforts to halt certification.

[Fearey]

@Ishanga Yes you are, and everyone here knows it. Who do you think you're fooling?

[Lyubov]

The right thing to do now is reflect and rebuild, not revolt. Dems waste for too much energy on shit like this. 

[whh2222]

On 11/9/2024 at 9:56 PM, Ishanga said:

oh so now what then, if it wasn't normal then who decides what happens next? You? Listen I wouldn't want a convicted felon as my government leader either, I'm neither for or against Trump, I'm against the system, its completely corrupted, it doesn't matter who is in office if the system is corrupt and doesn't work they can't do anything anyways, at least with Trump You know what he is thinking and doing as he tells You, the other lie, say one thing do another, and are bought and paid for, I don't think Trump is..

You do realize that any sort of information source is bias right? Unless you were there personally to witness and can make your own conclusions based on your own experience of what happen while there, how do you know it was a coup or not?

you're just playing mental gymnastics. Bad ones at that. It's all out in the open. He riled up his followers to storm the capital. That is not normal dude. You are RIDICULOUS. 

Edited Tuesday at 12:48 AM by whh2222

[whh2222]

6 hours ago, ryandesreu said:

Trump’s claim to be anti-establishment doesn’t automatically mean he aims to replace the government with a less corrupt system. While he talks about fighting elites, during his presidency he appointed many wealthy donors, lobbyists, and corporate insiders to key roles. This didn’t reduce corruption but instead kept some of the same structures in place. His tax policies, which included big cuts for corporations and high-income earners, also raised questions about whether his actions truly challenged the “establishment.”

Also, Trump’s focus on loyalty outweighs a commitment to real systemic change. He praises allies who support him and criticize those who don’t. This focus on personal loyalty over broader reform has led some to question whether his anti-establishment stance is more about building his own power than about fixing the government for everyone.

Trump's legal cases aren't just made up. In the Georgia case, for instance, there are recorded phone calls where he asked officials to “find” enough votes to change the outcome. Federal cases also involve claims he tried to use legal channels to overturn results, with evidence from close aides and officials who describe efforts to halt certification.

The guy you're quoting is an uneducated buffoon.