Sadguru thinks Trump will be better for peace and cause less war.

[Ishanga]

Just now, Buck Edwards said:

Nothing wrong in talking about oneself. It's you who is judging it, the irony. 

Not judging, just look at below Your name, what does it say "a woman of few words", sorry to say but that is an oxymoron when one just goes to the self journals and see's how many journals You have going and how much is written there about Me, Myself and I... 

Talking and Obsessing about one's self is the first sign there is a major egoic problem, like I suggested to You, get out of Yourself and focus on others, be Devoid of Self, which means less talking or writing about one's self and maybe talking or writing about others..

[Buck Edwards]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

Not judging, just look at below Your name, what does it say "a woman of few words", sorry to say but that is an oxymoron when one just goes to the self journals and see's how many journals You have going and how much is written there about Me, Myself and I... 

Talking and Obsessing about one's self is the first sign there is a major egoic problem, like I suggested to You, get out of Yourself and focus on others, be Devoid of Self, which means less talking or writing about one's self and maybe talking or writing about others..

Talking about judgemental, you seem to judge a lot. If I have to fix myself, I should talk more about myself. Read up there. It's a self development forum. Self. 

[Yimpa]

Sadhguru and Trump both servived pretty crazy life events in close time proximity from each other 

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Talking about judgemental, you seem to judge a lot. If I have to fix myself, I should talk more about myself. Read up there. It's a self development forum. Self. 

lol, we are all judging okay, its a part of who we are, its just a matter of Awareness of it, Leo is judging, Sadhguru is judging and You and Me are judging, you say it like someone is and someone isn't.  The important aspect is that the judgement doesn't affect one's awareness to the fact someone or something can change or transform, if Your judgement blinds You from seeing that process then its a problem, if it doesn't blind You then judgement is needed and okay...

Self Development has nothing to do with talking about Yourself in a public forum all day everyday...all your doing is making up justifications to keep on doing it, ego luvs this and makes these things up, but it drags you further into Ego and farther away from Reality and Truth/Consciousness..

Plus your the one that made the initial statement in this thread about Sadhguru, lol, is that not a judgement on Your part by which You have no qualification to say or do?

Edited November 10 by Ishanga

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

no wars where started while Trump was in office, but they did start up when he left office, I wonder what that means

PLEASE, for the love of God, fix this retarded logic. 

This is why people vote for Trump. Because they're too lazy or don't care about operating on truth. 

Edited November 10 by Joshe

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, Joshe said:

PLEASE, for the love of God, fix this retarded logic. 

This is why people vote for Trump. Because they're too lazy or don't care about operating on truth. 

Or its simply that they didn't want to Test Trumps unpredictability and possibility that he may go overboard and they can't deal with that, so hence they keep quiet until he was voted out, then they did their thing..

AI can be made to make up any conclusion, doesn't mean squat! Use Your Mind Existence gave You, quit depending on a machine that is completely manipulated by Your ego and beliefs! 

Edited November 10 by Ishanga

[Ishanga]

Sadhguru explain how Democracy should work, as soon as You protest the results of an Democratic process like an Election of an Individual to a Position in Government, then You are automatically against Democracy, its as simple as that, because Your against the Will of the Ppl that voted that person in!

This video is similar to the one in the OP, but has cut in parts of Sadhguru talking specifically about the Democratic process. and I think it was done years ago, not today or recently!!

 

This 

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

no wars where started while Trump was in office

The last formal declaration of war that the United States made was when we joined World War II.

So, no modern president has technically started any wars... though plenty of presidents (including Trump) have been involved in military attacks.

For example, during his time in office Trump was responsible for...

• Doing 432% more drone strikes than Obama's 8 years as president in just the first 2 years of his term alone (then he slapped down the mandatory reporting requirement to hid the records of his military actions, so he very likely did even more in the latter 2 years of his term.)
• He kept us in Iraq and Afganistan
• Had a 330% increase in CIVILIAN deaths in Afghanistan under Trump's presidency
• He bombed Syria twice
• He bombed Somalia
• He wanted to occupy a 1/3 of Syria to "take the oil"
• He let Israel illegally annex the Gollon Heights 
• He illegally assassinated the top Iranian Commander Sulemani (who was fighting against ISIS). This led to retaliatory strikes on American soldiers that led to many of them getting traumatic brain injuries.
• He tried to coup Venezuela
• He armed Saudi Arabia as they did a genocide in Yemen... and vetoed cutting off our weapons to Saudi Arabia. (Trump has business ties to Saudi)
• Trump has said that he wants a war with Mexico in his second term
• He wants to do airstrikes against drug cartels 
• He has received millions of dollars in political donations from Miriam Adelson who he has promised to annex the entire West Bank for in exchange for that money
• He dropped the MOAB on Afganistan
• He let Neo-Cons (like John Bolton) run his foreign policy
• His first military raid as president killed a small American girl
• He signed a pro-torture executive order

Edited November 10 by Emerald

[Ishanga]

14 minutes ago, Emerald said:

The last formal declaration of war that the United States made was when we joined World War II.

So, no modern president has technically started any wars... though plenty of presidents (including Trump) have been involved in military attacks.

For example, during his time in office Trump was responsible for...

• Doing 432% more drone strikes than Obama's 8 years as president in just the first 2 years of his term alone (then he slapped down the mandatory reporting requirement to hid the records of his military actions, so he very likely did even more in the latter 2 years of his term.)
• He kept us in Iraq and Afganistan
• Had a 330% increase in CIVILIAN deaths in Afghanistan under Trump's presidency
• He bombed Syria twice
• He bombed Somalia
• He wanted to occupy a 1/3 of Syria to "take the oil"
• He let Israel illegally annex the Gollon Heights 
• He illegally assassinated the top Iranian Commander Sulemani (who was fighting against ISIS). This led to retaliatory strikes on American soldiers that led to many of them getting traumatic brain injuries.
• He tried to coup Venezuela
• He armed Saudi Arabia as they did a genocide in Yemen... and vetoed cutting off our weapons to Saudi Arabia. (Trump has business ties to Saudi)
• Trump has said that he wants a war with Mexico in his second term
• He wants to do airstrikes against drug cartels 
• He has received millions of dollars in political donations from Miriam Adelson who he has promised to annex the entire West Bank for in exchange for that money
• He dropped the MOAB on Afganistan
• He let Neo-Cons (like John Bolton) run his foreign policy
• His first military raid as president killed a small American girl
• He signed a pro-torture executive order

OMG you think Trump is the only president to do such things or had to to such things? That Obama or any president in the past hasn't done the same? Are You sane or insane? Have You done any research into what past presidents have done, what they have all done? The whole system is war based, corrupt based, to say one president is more war based than another is completely false hood, since You have no access to what information they had access to at the time to make a decision, your totally guessing based on some facts that come out, but no facts on why those actions took place when they did, it doesn't mean anything what You shared...

I'm not  Trump supporter, I'm an anti Government anti Society, anti Corruption supporter, the whole system of how we do things is corrupt, it doesn't matter who is in the office or what office it is, its corrupted to a point that no one really recognizes its corrupt or can see other ways of doing things, that this is inevitable and the way it has to be, I am anti that...

[Bobby_2021]

30 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Sadhguru explain how Democracy should work, as soon as You protest the results of an Democratic process like an Election of an Individual to a Position in Government, then You are automatically against Democracy, its as simple as that, because Your against the Will of the Ppl that voted that person in!

SG is correct here. Once Trump is in power, you work with the administration to better run the nation. This is not slaving upto Trump, but the realisation that you Trump is a sign of collective underdevelopment of the general population psyche.

Rather than whining about it, work with it.

18 minutes ago, Emerald said:

The last formal declaration of war that the United States made was when we joined World War II.

So, no modern president has technically started any wars... though plenty of presidents (including Trump) have been involved in military attacks.

For example, during his time in office Trump was responsible for...

• Doing 432% more drone strikes than Obama's 8 years as president in just the first 2 years of his term alone (then he slapped down the mandatory reporting requirement to hid the records of his military actions, so he very likely did even more in the latter 2 years of his term.)
• He kept us in Iraq and Afganistan
• Had a 330% increase in CIVILIAN deaths in Afghanistan under Trump's presidency
• He bombed Syria twice
• He bombed Somalia
• He wanted to occupy a 1/3 of Syria to "take the oil"
• He let Israel illegally annex the Gollon Heights 
• He illegally assassinated the top Iranian Commander Sulemani (who was fighting against ISIS). This led to retaliatory strikes on American soldiers that led to many of them getting traumatic brain injuries.
• He tried to coup Venezuela
• He armed Saudi Arabia as they did a genocide in Yemen... and vetoed cutting off our weapons to Saudi Arabia. (Trump has business ties to Saudi)
• Trump has said that he wants a war with Mexico in his second term
• He wants to do airstrikes against drug cartels 
• He has received millions of dollars in political donations from Miriam Adelson who he has promised to annex the entire West Bank for in exchange for that money
• He dropped the MOAB on Afganistan
• He let Neo-Cons (like John Bolton) run his foreign policy
• His first military raid as president killed a small American girl
• He signed a pro-torture executive order

Do you write this of the top of your mind?

Foreign policy of America was fucked the moment they handed it over to neocons. No president has any say over this and all US presidents are war criminals.

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

SG is correct here. Once Trump is in power, you work with the administration to better run the nation. This is not slaving upto Trump, but the realisation that you Trump is a sign of collective underdevelopment of the general population psyche.

Rather than whining about it, work with it.

Do you write this of the top of your mind?

Foreign policy of America was fucked the moment they handed it over to neocons. No president has any say over this and all US presidents are war criminals.

Yup, its like Mommy has taken away Your toy for being bad, and You get upset with Mommy for doing this and cry and cry and cry to Your so tired of crying Your depressed, what good is that, just stop being bad, work with Mommy a bit and get along then you get what You want somewhat in the end, a happy medium, but to protest the very process that allows a certain freedom and power to exist is totally against the very thing that allows it in the first place, nuts!!

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

OMG you think Trump is the only president to do such things or had to to such things? That Obama or any president in the past hasn't done the same? Are You sane or insane? Have You done any research into what past presidents have done, what they have all done? The whole system is war based, corrupt based, to say one president is more war based than another is completely false hood, since You have no access to what information they had access to at the time to make a decision, your totally guessing based on some facts that come out, but no facts on why those actions took place when they did, it doesn't mean anything what You shared...

I'm not  Trump supporter, I'm an anti Government anti Society, anti Corruption supporter, the whole system of how we do things is corrupt, it doesn't matter who is in the office or what office it is, its corrupted to a point that no one really recognizes its corrupt or can see other ways of doing things, that this is inevitable and the way it has to be, I am anti that...

"no wars where started while Trump was in office"

I was rebutting your quote that I copy-pasted above. I was just informing you and others that are under the misconception that Trump is a dove that he's very much NOT.

Lots of people think he's a dove (because that's what he claims), but he did 432% the amount of drone strikes in his first 2 years than Obama did in 8. So he is just as militaristic as other presidents, if not more.

Of course, lots of presidents take military actions. But Trump is claiming that he's not and that his administration was and would be more peace loving, and most people are buying it because people are unaware.

So, I'm just shining the flashlight in case you or others are under the false perception that Trump was less of a war monger than other presidents.

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Do you write this of the top of your mind?

Foreign policy of America was fucked the moment they handed it over to neocons. No president has any say over this and all US presidents are war criminals.

Let's not let the Commanders in Chief off the hook for their military actions. That means Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, etc. 

Trump is 100% responsible for the military actions taken under his administration... because it was HIS administration and he appointed those neocons. And he had plenty of his own ideas in the mix.

And there were plenty of instances that Trump wanted to be even more militaristic that his generals had to talk him out of. And when neocons are talking you out of militaristic actions, you know you messed up.

For example, he wanted to go to war with North Korea (nuclear war). And one of his generals had to talk him out of it by appealing to his ego and giving him the idea like (paraphrased) 'wouldn't it be so cool and special of you to have diplomatic relations with North Korea.'

And Trump liked that idea. So, he went with it. It's why he was all buddy-buddy with Kim Jung Un.

But if not, we could have had nuclear war with North Korea.

[Bobby_2021]

I guess it is possible to make finer distinctions to see who is the shittier of presidents, but does it matter when they are continuing the same war mongering policies post-world war 2. 

Let it be clear that the US is already in a proxy war with nuclear Russia. Which president will take up responsibility for that?  

As far as Korea is considered, US has never formally technically ended the war with Korea that started in 1950. They were bombed to the ground, and you did not need neocons or Trump for that. Wars are the lifeblood of the American foreign policy. 

[zurew]

You guys dont need to deny the spiritual development of sadhguru  , you can just say that spiritual development doesn't entail that you will have an informed and well educated analysis on every single field (including politics).

As I said in other threads, being a system-thinker or being spiritually developed doesn't entail that one won't give trash takes and trash analysis about a given field. You need to study that given field and you cant get around that no matter how developed your cognition is and no matter how spiritually developed you are.

You need to study a fuckton, you need to understand fallacies and you need to be careful with how you make your inferences.

[BlueOak]

All he's describing is the usual cycle. Bad economy = change candidates and fascist leaders.  Good economy = liberal candidates and expansion. Then asking people (fascist leaders) not to be fascist leaders, while trying to say it'll cause less suffering. 

Make everyone fascist, and there will be less ideological war, sure. Horrendous outcome, but sure that's a truth. When they have bombed the few remaining Muslim countries to ruin or submission anyway, which still needs to happen. Arabia and other Muslim governments are not fully ideologically aligned with the current fascists.

He touches on fear and some of this being used but sorry to be blunt but he's a moron if he thinks there will be fewer border, resource, climate, and migration wars and suffering nationally under these types of leaders.  Fewer genocides and assassinations while living under fear. That has been increasing globally.

Isolate America and there is good chance of a larger border war with Russia coming and Europe. That's WW3 for me anyway unless Russia and BRICS can be held where it is. Especially with North Korea just throwing manpower in, and China/Iran throwing resources. 

[Raze]

 

[Ishanga]

2 hours ago, Raze said:

 

lol, some video someone makes saying crap like this, why take it seriously, like You guys worship Leo, he's done 1% of what Sadhguru has done, lol..

You have to realize as soon as You want to do big things, enemies will appear to attack You on all levels!

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[Ishanga]

3 hours ago, zurew said:

You guys dont need to deny the spiritual development of sadhguru  , you can just say that spiritual development doesn't entail that you will have an informed and well educated analysis on every single field (including politics).

As I said in other threads, being a system-thinker or being spiritually developed doesn't entail that one won't give trash takes and trash analysis about a given field. You need to study that given field and you cant get around that no matter how developed your cognition is and no matter how spiritually developed you are.

You need to study a fuckton, you need to understand fallacies and you need to be careful with how you make your inferences.

True but this applies more to the non Enlightened than it does to the Enlightened, as they have much more Clarity of Reality than we do, so hence they see what we don't see, ppl like Sadhguru are light years ahead in this sort of thing, but he knows the social situation and has to play the game to make things happen for the purposes that he employs for what he wants to do, he didn't do that route while Embodied as Sadhguru Shr Brama who was anti social and ppl feared him in a way... I'm sure if he focused on Politics he could come up with solutions that would work well, his main solution to the World Situation is to Raise Human Consciousness so things are Transformed..This may or may not happen on a mass scale probably not this generation or the next but who knows...

[PurpleTree]

11 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

like You guys worship Leo

There’s nobody to worship.