Sadguru thinks Trump will be better for peace and cause less war.

[Buck Edwards]

17 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

What if that is what the capitalist own media narratives say so that they can keep creating wars around the world to bag expensive orders for their weaponry , without anyone getting smarter or wiser ! They have even dismantled democratic governments and replaced them with authoritarian ones if it fitted their economic agenda.

I would ask you to exercise your own judgement rather than be superficially manipulated by external conditioning .

Straight up conspiracy. When you have zero evidence of anything, just make up stuff. Mind blown. 

[Ajay0]

2 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Straight up conspiracy. When you have zero evidence of anything, just make up stuff. Mind blown. 

Well, I appreciate your innocence and naivete. 

[Buck Edwards]

3 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

Well, I appreciate your innocence and naivete. 

You should appreciate your own naivete for supporting stupid conspiracy theories and your beloved Trump. So sick of this. 

[Ajay0]

7 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

You should appreciate your own naivete for supporting stupid conspiracy theories and your beloved Trump. So sick of this. 

The present ongoing wars with a potential for escalation to nuclear holocaust is not a conspiracy theory but a hard fact. Check out the thousands of dead solddiers and civilians, if you care to look. 

I am not a fan of Trump but I am okay with his statements on de-escalation of the  european war. 

[AION]

Who the fuck believes Trump on his words  Trump is hell bent on creating trade wars. And if you know anything about the two world wars; the reason of the two world wars was trade embargoes. Sadguru is Indian nationalist so he hopes he will do something about China. 

Edited Monday at 10:56 AM by AION

[Ishanga]

12 hours ago, Lyubov said:

I disagree. It is impossible to compare your spirituality to anyone else. Do not fall into this guru trap. Sahdguru is just a guy teaching spirituality and if it helps you, I'm happy for you. But don't fall into this trap. It's impossible to be "more enlightened" than anyone else. 

I wouldn't say he is teaching, what You see on Utube and the books in not what he does... The Guru more or less Transmits, Silently, this is the way of the Guru, but in today's day and age the Guru has to talk allot more to get ppl interested, Sadhguru calls this Circus, he has to play the game otherwise the goal is never reached, to Raise Human Consciousness, but he is not just a "Guy" teaching Spirituality.. I've done years of research on him before starter his programs and seeing the effectiveness of them for myself...

[Vibes]

3 hours ago, AION said:

Who the fuck believes Trump on his words

Exactly, yall assume trump will do what he says and cares about what he says, when in reality he only says what you wanna hear in order to manipulate you...

[Ishanga]

13 hours ago, Da77en said:

I've always sensed that Sadhguru had some sort of support for Trump because he has the same kind of controversial vibe that Trump has, that's why Sadhguru has had all these controversies throughout the years. Sadhguru also has a very conservative style of teaching spirituality which could be influencing his support for Trump.

No offense to Sadhguru, I love him, but he deliberately chooses to be controversial. I've heard him say that it's his karma that he needs to work through it but it doesn't take decades to let something like that go from my perspective. He could let it go within a couple of months, he just has very conservative attitudes towards spirituality which may be leading him believe that it has to take a long time.

I beg to differ, he's not very controversial at all.. You see once someone has a plan to change the world, automatically Enemies and ppl that disagree with arise, so that is what is happening.  Is Saving the Soil of the Earth controversial? Is Saving the Trees and Rivers on the Planet Controversial? Id showing ppl what it is like to be constantly Blissful (Living example) and showing them methods for them to be this way themselves Controversial? 

He's gone Mainstream that is for sure but this is via his plan to spread the Yoga worldwide, he says he will die a Blissful Failure since he has only Touched 3 billion ppl, and not the entire population..

Edited Monday at 12:16 PM by Ishanga

[BlueOak]

23 hours ago, BlackPhil said:

What if I told you that the spiral dynamics model you people use as your "bible" is not even true? Atleast it's not true in the way you use it.

You're basing your whole view of reality on a flawed, misunderstood model like that. Then you talk down on "religious people", oh the irony...

Its flawed in a few ways but no model is perfect. Show me a better one, and I'll reference it. 

Flaws:

1, It doesn't show the emotional scale people are on, it shows the logical progression of society.
2, I sometimes feel it is slightly collectively biased
3, It is absolute in its view of a topic. Many things can transcend the scale if the person engaging in it is capable of doing so or taking it there. It's harder with certain things obviously. It's harder to make a consciously aware business for example that benefits people and the planet, but its not impossible. Same with Religion.
4, We've all discussed the difficulties with Turquoise and Higher, because collectively we are not yet there, it isn't as well defined or accessible as a result.

The only problem with most religions is that they decide the concept of god is somewhere else but in your head. The counter I suppose, to that is, everything, including wherever you believe God is, is also in your head.

 

[Da77en]

5 hours ago, Ishanga said:

I beg to differ, he's not very controversial at all.. You see once someone has a plan to change the world, automatically Enemies and ppl that disagree with arise, so that is what is happening.  Is Saving the Soil of the Earth controversial? Is Saving the Trees and Rivers on the Planet Controversial? Id showing ppl what it is like to be constantly Blissful (Living example) and showing them methods for them to be this way themselves Controversial? 

He's gone Mainstream that is for sure but this is via his plan to spread the Yoga worldwide, he says he will die a Blissful Failure since he has only Touched 3 billion ppl, and not the entire population..

I completely agree that he’s amazing, does a lot of positive things, is a force for good in the world, etc. I love Sadhguru and I don’t want to make it seem like I’m making a personal attack. It’s more of certain things that are in a sense below the surface that can attract controversies.

If he isn’t controversial why has he had so many controversies? It’s not necessarily such a bad thing as long as you are able to manage them well, which he has.

It seems like he could have a much bigger presence in the west if he managed particular aspects of is public image differently. I think the main idea is he presents himself as being a pretty hardcore yogi and if that kind of vibe isn’t balanced out it might give people some wrong impressions.

This is just anecdotal and is from my personal experience, to me from the kind of energy he gives off it makes complete sense on why he would attract so many controversies and I’ve heard him talk about it before.

Edited Monday at 05:19 PM by Da77en

[Applegarden8]

9 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

You should appreciate your own naivete for supporting stupid conspiracy theories and your beloved Trump. So sick of this. 

Then leave once for all. All this SD bullshit discussion is about nothing. We are just throwing poop at each other. There is nothing of substance going on...

Edited Monday at 04:50 PM by Applegarden8

[Inliytened1]

On 11/10/2024 at 11:50 AM, Gennadiy1981 said:

Sadguru is stage turquoise and Leo himself said so. Rena, you and others are hypnotized and you need to get out of that trance. You divide the world in those who like Trump and those who hate Trump. Those who like him must be stupid and vise versa. That is not the case, there are many intelligent people who also like Trump and vise versa. 
 

Actually I am listening to this video, Sadguru makes a lot of sense, this is a very deep video actually, and the more I think about this election, I realize how great it was. I actually start seeing that America is going into different more positive direction. 

Great points.  Seems like a very narrow view to make the lines so black and white.

But guys politics has nothing do with how awake you are or whether you are a mystic and discovered Absolute Trurh or have had mystical experiences or not. All of this stuff, politics included, is relative and exists within the realm of duality.  The truly wise Being will know that things are very elastic and one particular stance, viewpoint, or otherwise does not define a person.  The key thing with duality is impermanence and there is nothing Absolute about it whatsoever other than it is Absolute Truth.   Like the paradox there? 

Spiral dynamics is just a model.  What stage you are at is very, very relative.   It only matters if you assign it value.

Edited Monday at 08:01 PM by Inliytened1

[sholomar]

On 11/10/2024 at 3:18 PM, Joshe said:

It seems this highly developed spiritual guru has fallen for propaganda.

Even if it were true, he attacks the most fringe elements of the blue side, which are obviously absurd, but they're not prevalent nor very popular outside of universities. 

It's pretty bad when even modern day spiritual gurus are hocking right-wing propaganda. Spewing this nonsense, which can easily be verified as false, to a large crowd is irresponsible and really points to a lack of concern about what is true. If I were following him, I'd be so disappointed by this epistemic failure that I'd have to stop.

I mean, David Hawkins was a republican and wrote a litany of books on his calibrated levels of consciousness. This idea that all super high developed people are all super progressive is a story that progressives tell themselves. In the end it's important as homo sapiens to have a nice balance between liberal and conservative traits, just as it's important to "toughen up boys" to turn them into men. We can't put the entire species inside a bubble or safe space to shelter them from any discomfort in life. The left wing when taken to it's extreme violates the laws of nature that run evolution including our species and turns societies non functional. You're never going to get rid of all discomfort in life and make everyone totally equal, no matter how hard you try.  You're not going to force the entire planet into a stage green philosophy any time soon.

Edited Monday at 09:43 PM by sholomar

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, sholomar said:

I mean, David Hawkins was a republican and wrote a litany of books on his calibrated levels of consciousness.

People being Republican in early 2000 was not a bad thing. Hawkins showed disdain for the left but he didn't peddle propaganda as far as I know. I don't fault him for any problems with his model.

1 hour ago, sholomar said:

You're not going to force the entire planet into a stage green philosophy any time soon.

As a result of your information consumption, you're seeing things that don't exist. 

I'm not stage green. I'm anti-falsehood. 

Does stage green bring any virtues to the table? 

Virtue is not weakness, even if you see weak stage green people trying to be virtuous. The ideal man is virtuous, not vicious.

Integrity, honesty, compassion, empathy, treating others with respect, might rub you the wrong way, but these are all aspects of the ideal man. As is mental strength, knowledge, wisdom, intelligence, etc. 

How integrous are you? How honest are you? How much do you lie to yourself and others?

I'm not interested in your hatred of what you perceive to be weak stage green people. Yeah, they can be annoying, but who gives a fuck? When they start operating on 90% falsehoods and when they make up the majority of the population, I might take up your mantle. 

Edited Monday at 11:26 PM by Joshe

[whh2222]

16 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

Straight up conspiracy. When you have zero evidence of anything, just make up stuff. Mind blown. 

whats the deal with you having a different hot girl avi everyday? 

[Joshe]

18 minutes ago, whh2222 said:

whats the deal with you having a different hot girl avi everyday? 

Why pry? 

[Princess Arabia]

This thread is like a soap opera. I can't believe I read through the whole thing. It was very interesting to read.

[Buck Edwards]

12 hours ago, Applegarden8 said:

Then leave once for all. All this SD bullshit discussion is about nothing. We are just throwing poop at each other. There is nothing of substance going on...

Don't quote me again. I don't like reading your comments, I'm constantly disturbed by your notifications. Sincere request. Just put me on your ignore list and be done. If you don't know what an ignore list is, look into your account settings and you'll find it. I'm sick of reading your hate comments. i don't want to wake up every morning and read your nonsense. Just get off my back please, saying it politely. If you think I'm a nuisance, you can easily avoid me, if you have ever heard of the ignore list for the time you have been on the forum. And for your morbid satisfaction, I'll never leave the forum no matter how much you keep targeting and harassing me to leave, it will never work because this forum is a democratic place where everyone has a right to be and not your ownership lol. So I'm not going to leave the forum just because you don't like me. Too bad for you I guess. Cope harder. Who cares. Keep harassing me and I'm not going to be bullied off from the forum by you or your likes. Have fun. And if you hate the forum so much because of my presence, maybe there are other places for you, why not consider leaving then.. My last reply to you, goodbye. Don't quote me again, it's seriously very annoying. (if you find me a nuisance then the forum has given you solutions for it in your account settings, stop bothering and targeting me in a bid to make me leave, anyway none of your efforts are ever going to work, no matter what you try). 

 

Edited Tuesday at 05:28 AM by Buck Edwards

[Ajay0]

19 hours ago, AION said:

And if you know anything about the two world wars; the reason of the two world wars was trade embargoes.

The two world wars which originated in europe and killed over 100 million people came as a result of military alliances and competition over colonies.

The wars weakened the european colonial powers to the point that the asian, african and south american nations were able to gain their independence and freedom.

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Sadguru is Indian nationalist so he hopes he will do something about China. 

 

Sadhguru is a Guru and has disciples in China as well and does not have any nationalistic bias.  He is only wishing for world peace and hoping that the ukraine war does not result in further casualties . 

India , in a display of its diplomatic prowess and capabilities, patched up its relations with China recently and Modi and Xi were seen together in the Brics summit recently. ( Brics now covers more people and gdp than the g7.)

US-nato however still keeps a confrontational posture with Russia( the only power on earth with the nuclear weapon capabilities to wipe out US-NATO) instead of seeking diplomatic solutions through talks and dialogue.

 

[ExplorerMystic]

On this forum, we talked a lot about Awakening and Enlightenment. At some point, you will realize that it's all about letting go of your cherry-picked beliefs. In this human form, sustainable experience & the meta-perspective are the kings (maybe some other point as well, But I don't remember at this moment).

Sadhguru has very good language presentation skills. In the video below, he found an atheist writer who possesses the same skill. Don't glamorize India or Indian with spirituality. Yes, it has given some powerhouse personality on this front. (Ramana Maharshi, Jiddu Krishnamurti, Vivekananda the list goes on) but they are still just 1% of the rest of 99% of Charlton selling the world something which it didn't need.

Use thought as a tool to build skill, Not to become a guru. Thought is a subtle object of perception. Use it wisely otherwise, it will use you.

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