God is absolute control with no controller

[Razard86]

So what does this mean? It sounds paradoxical doesn't it? I will do my best to explain it. Picture your hand moving on its own. This hand it always grasps what is needed, and lets go of what is not needed. It has perfect timing, it never engages in excess unless excess is needed to be experienced. This hand always does the right thing given proper information at the time. It really puts the phrase given the right information "at hand" in full context.

This is the hand of God. Perfectly circular. It creates and resolves all paradoxes by revealing the underlying contradictions. It constantly is engaged in secretly directing the flow of its entire life, directly in an indirect manner as to hide its apparent self-interest. Survival was created to explore self-interest, to explore self-autonomy, and to explore sacrifice, and dependence. To explore prime, and decline, to explore strength, and weakness.

In one of my investigations into Spirituality I was shown how strength can be a curse. Strength is defined by weakness. If I give you unlimited strength it can only be known by unlimited weakness. If I make you ridiculously strong I can put you through nightmare after nightmare of lived experience because you are strong enough to handle it. It is an interesting curse, to become strong enough to handle any ordeal makes it perfectly fair to place the burden of that ordeal upon you because you are capable of dealing with it. Who knew weakness could actually be a boon? Could actually be sought after?

So when you are told you are God, do not presume this means you have control, it actually means the opposite. The only control you have is the ability to interpret and respond, and even that is limited. All limitation is lack of control, you do not control your lack of limitation. It is more accurate to say that the part of you that is God, is your limitation. So when it is said you are God, what is being said is you are limitation. Then the part of you that has control, we can call that ego. 

So ego= control

God= Lack of control.

Now someone might say why does God have no control?  The answer is simple. An all powerful, unlimited intelligence that is the fastest thing ever, can control absolutely without awareness of what it is, and what it is doing. God does not need knowledge, or awareness to act perfectly. God does not need identity to be self-aware. Because of this, God can be in perfect control, while being completely free of identity. 

Once you discover this, the next question is, so why did God create an ego, if God didn't need an ego to know what it is. The only answer is....as a gift. Life is a gift. Personal identity is a gift. God doesn't need anything, because it is whole, complete, and perfect. So all it can do is to create imperfection, to explore its perfection. Because its imperfection, is itself Perfection, God will only ever know Perfection, as its ego will experience Perfection as imperfection. 

This explains everything. Remember when you are told you are God, you are just being told you are limited by God/Infinite Intelligence. You are God's brand, God's trademark creation, but the power that created you as limitation, is identical to you. But you experience yourself as a control in a world of flux survival. The easiest way to investigate this is to remember that all control is the ability to predict outcome with perfect certainty.  Without perfect certainty there is no control. This is why God is a mystery unto itself. Because God is beyond egoic limitation, God has perfect certainty without having to be certain. God doesn't need to check itself, or evaluate itself, God is perfect certainty without self-check. This is why God is without a self. 

[Ninja_pig]

Beautifully said. The universe is a verb, not a noun. God is just god-ing in the eternal now. 

Because of this reality is actually the ultimate good. It's pure divinity and nothing else.

[Princess Arabia]

Good stuff to explore. Stuff I've never thought about before. These insights, or whatever they are, brings a new understanding of things for me. Reading it, I could see where this could be the case, and it says a lot about why things are the way they are. The "strength" part also made me think. It gives a whole new way to look at strength VS weakness. Also, the "ego-control , God - lack of control. One has to really read and understand what you're pointing to to even grasp what that means. Sounds absurd on the outskirts, but I can see where it may be the case. Nothing is as it seems; and this Universe / Reality operates like a mirror so things may seem the opposite or reverse to what is actually the case.

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, Razard86 said:

Once you discover this, the next question is, so why did God create an ego, if God didn't need an ego to know what it is. The only answer is....as a gift. Life is a gift. Personal identity is a gift. God doesn't need anything, because it is whole, complete, and perfect. So all it can do is to create imperfection, to explore its perfection. Because its imperfection, is itself Perfection, God will only ever know Perfection, as its ego will experience Perfection as imperfection.

 That sounds nice and bambi .. but go deeper ...perfection can be distinguished from imperfection..by the obvious fact that these are two different words or concepts. So why does God have to experience his imperfect perfection rather than perfect perfection?  Isn't it any less perfect by doing this ?

 God is stuipd to experience his imperfection when he can stay in infinite bliss forever.

If you were a Greek god with a lifetime of 10 billion years..who knows no physical or mental exhaustion..who possesses immense prowess and can survive even a planetary destruction.. it would be rational to claim that God is perfect and wise to choose this .

On the other hand look at you..How fragile and vulnerable you are..it takes a zillion things in proper place in your environment and psycholology to make a moment of respite for you while a minor little thing like a  virus.. temperature.. gravity..accident.. discomfort..tough emotion can legit screw you over. It takes like 15-20 years of healthy childhood.. education and environment to have a decent..high esteemed self..while only one traumatic event or imagination can plant a deep imprint in you and screw you over badly for life. 

Being a human means we are In the world of imperfection. 

Anyways..Nice try ..all religions and philosophers have tried since the dawn of time to explain why God is such an asshole for creating such a hell hole and they couldn't. 

Edited Saturday at 03:46 PM by Someone here

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

 That sounds nice and bambi .. but go deeper ...perfection can be distinguished from imperfection..by the obvious fact that these are two different words or concepts. So why does God have to experience his imperfect perfection rather than perfect perfection?  Isn't  ilt any less perfect by doing this ?

 God is stuipd to experience his imperfection when he can stay in infinite bliss forever.

If you were a Greek god with a lifetime of 10 billion years..who knows no physical or mental exhaustion..who possesses immense prowess and can survive even a planetary destruction.. it would be rational to claim that God is perfect and wise to choose this .

On the other hand look at you..How fragile and vulnerable you are..it takes a zillion things in proper place in your environment and psycholology to make a moment of respite for you while a minor little thing like a  virus.. temperature.. gravity..accident.. discomfort..tough emotion can legit screw you over. It takes like 15-20 years of healthy childhood.. education and environment to have a decent..high esteemed self..while only one traumatic event or imagination can plant a deep imprint in you and screw you over badly for life. 

Being a human means we are In the world of imperfection. 

Anyways..Nice try ..all religions and philosophers have tried since the dawn of time to explain why God is such an asshole for creating such a hell hole and they couldn't. 

Such perfection. It really takes a person who doesn't see adversity as personal to really see through what Razaard is saying. I see what you're saying too, but it's coming from ego and from a sense of lack and limitation. God isn't, so that human rational way of thinking doesn't even touch the surface of what God is capable of or what it is doing. Seeing it from a weak, suffering little human with limitations and all that human does is interpret and respond, it won't be able to see beyond it's human perspective and thinking that all those bad things you've mentioned are really happening to a person.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

.perfection can be distinguished from imperfection..by the obvious fact that these are two different words or concepts.

This is like saying a baby in a mother's womb can be distinguished from the mother by the obvious fact these are two different conceptions. The baby and the mother are one. The baby comes from the mother just as the word imperfection comes from the word perfection

[emil1234]

beautifully written, great to have u back on the forums. high quality post as always

completely agree, god is lack of control; id however say ego is the ILLUSION of control.

 

[Someone here]

17 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Such perfection. It really takes a person who doesn't see adversity as personal to really see through what Razaard is saying. I see what you're saying too, but it's coming from ego and from a sense of lack and limitation. God isn't, so that human rational way of thinking doesn't even touch the surface of what God is capable of or what it is doing. Seeing it from a weak, suffering little human with limitations and all that human does is interpret and respond, it won't be able to see beyond it's human perspective and thinking that all those bad things you've mentioned are really happening to a person.

 You and him please Feel free to add   whatever your personal utopian life would look like. I'm living on planet earth year 2024  not in paradise with angels.. Where big nations in the world are about to get us into a ww3.

Imagine you are all powerful..Razard86 Is saying you won't want Being completely content with everything that is..Well then why don't you do it right now? Because either you do it that way or you won't be able to do it at all. Whether you like it or not.

  " imperfection perfection life" is a highly dualistic notion . You're  saying like Robet Adams (the guy whom you bookmarked a quote if him from me ) that the desire to change certain conditions in reality so that you can be happy is what prevents you from ever truly being happy. This may not be always the case . Some people do really want a luxurrious lifestyle . But they cant so they turn to spiritual fantasy to escape .like snorting cocke. 

Edited Saturday at 04:09 PM by Someone here

[Someone here]

@Princess Arabia btw can't wait for one-upmanship competition to begin between you ...Razard86..Breakingthewall..and Ishanga .

But I'm not playing .

[Princess Arabia]

10 minutes ago, Someone here said:

 You and him please Feel free to add   whatever your personal utopian life would look like. I'm living on planet earth year 2024  not in paradise with angels.. Where big nations in the world are about to get us into a ww3.

Imagine you are all powerfull..Razard86 Is saying you won't want Being completely content with everything that is..Well then why don't you do it right now? Because either you do it that way or you won't be able to do it at all. Whether you like it or not.

  " imperfection perfection life" is a highly dualistic notion . You're your saying like Robet Adams (the guy whom you bookmarked a quote if him from me )desire to change certain conditions in reality so that you can be happy is what prevents you from ever truly being happy. This may not be always the case . Some people do really want a luxurrious lifestyle . But they cant so they turn to spiritual fantasy to escape .like snorting cocke. 

Like I said, if you identify as a human who is going through stuff and is suffering and crying like a baby about how the world is unfair. The Universe, God or whatever you call it isn't concerned about your thoughts and ideas about the world and life. When your limited self throws temper tantrums about what it thinks life should be like, this is how it thinks. It has no clue about anything but only what it relates to and it's limited perceptions. What if what you're actually seeing is just energies interacting or however it's phrased, that just look like humans and war and oh please pity me because I want this for my life and it's just not happening,. What if the Universe sees nobody there in distress but just energetic play within itself. You see a war happening, but maybe the Universe/God or whatever sees a masterpiece of creation of energies but you see it as oh my people are dying. Not saying this is the case, but just think about how your perceptions might not be what actually is the case.

Edited Saturday at 04:15 PM by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

35 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Princess Arabia btw can't wait for one-upmanship competition to begin between you ...Razard86..Breakingthewall..and Ishanga .

But I'm not playing .

I'm through with all that. I'm gonna be like James 123, the AI spiritual robot 😅....it's all love, just surrender. You are nothing. Hehe

[Razard86]

41 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

beautifully written, great to have u back on the forums. high quality post as always

completely agree, god is lack of control; id however say ego is the ILLUSION of control.

 

Well the trick is, its not actually an illusion of control. You can move your hand back and forth. Remember control is certainty. You can predict with 100 percent accuracy where you will move your hand. This means you have absolute control over that movement. Now the illusion part is that absolute control is limited. So the only illusion of control is that the control is NOT unlimited. That is the constant miscommunication in the spiritual teachings. We have an illusion of unlimited control, but our limited control is NOT an illusion. It is absolutely true in life under all conditions we have control, it is just limited. Because it's limited, and because we are selfish, we say that is not real control. 

This desire for Absolute limitless control comes from the fact that we are God. But form is limit, the only way to have no limit is to be formless, but if you are formless....you cannot be human anymore and you cannot have a body. So that's the issue at play here. 

[Breakingthewall]

If you understand what infinity implies, you see clearly that God has no control, and therefore the word God is misleading.

Relative reality is the absolute reflecting on itself infinitely, since the absolute is the absolute will to be, since the will not to be is not a possibility. then, from the inevitable total will to be everything emerges, and everything is in essence the absolute in infinite facets. You cannot control what is infinite since control implies limits. God is the absence of limits, therefore God only has one will: to be. And can't choose to have or not that will, it's absolute and inevitable, therefore god is and inevitable natural phenomena that happens because there are not limits and the unfathomable depth is. 

[Razard86]

5 hours ago, Someone here said:

 That sounds nice and bambi .. but go deeper ...perfection can be distinguished from imperfection..by the obvious fact that these are two different words or concepts. So why does God have to experience his imperfect perfection rather than perfect perfection?  Isn't it any less perfect by doing this ?

 God is stuipd to experience his imperfection when he can stay in infinite bliss forever.

If you were a Greek god with a lifetime of 10 billion years..who knows no physical or mental exhaustion..who possesses immense prowess and can survive even a planetary destruction.. it would be rational to claim that God is perfect and wise to choose this .

On the other hand look at you..How fragile and vulnerable you are..it takes a zillion things in proper place in your environment and psycholology to make a moment of respite for you while a minor little thing like a  virus.. temperature.. gravity..accident.. discomfort..tough emotion can legit screw you over. It takes like 15-20 years of healthy childhood.. education and environment to have a decent..high esteemed self..while only one traumatic event or imagination can plant a deep imprint in you and screw you over badly for life. 

Being a human means we are In the world of imperfection. 

Anyways..Nice try ..all religions and philosophers have tried since the dawn of time to explain why God is such an asshole for creating such a hell hole and they couldn't. 

The one that needs to go deeper is you, I already said that the ego experiences Perfection as imperfection. 

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, Someone here said:

your personal utopian life would look like. I'm living on planet earth year 2024  not in paradise with angels.. Where big nations in the world are about to get us into a ww3.

All of this is as important as the interactions of bacteria in a mud pond. the importance you give it. In fact that importance and meaning is the veil that veils the nature of the reality. The meaning is what they call maya.

The problem with maya is that we, the humans, build it in our minds over genetic basis, then it's very difficult to get rid of if and see infinitely. It's a path.

 

Edited Saturday at 10:00 PM by Breakingthewall

[Ishanga]

9 hours ago, Ninja_pig said:

Beautifully said. The universe is a verb, not a noun. God is just god-ing in the eternal now. 

Because of this reality is actually the ultimate good. It's pure divinity and nothing else.

Verb means action, Karma is Action, residual result of all the Action performed, without Karma there is no Universe, as Humans we have the capability to be Conscious of this process of Karma, Samsara, and Vasanas (Samsara is referred to as a cycle because there is no beginning or end. A vasana gives rise to a desire (for an object), which impels an action (karma), which reinforces the vasana, which then, creates another desire, and so on, and so on.) and via that the Ability to Respond (which is Free Will in Action) comes into play and is available, that is one thing never mentioned in any of these discussion, which is why we are here to play this Free Will Game of Karma, Samsara, and Vasana, in a dual material world but in reality we are none of that fundamentally.  

Leela is referred to in India as the Game of Life, this is how we should look at how things are being played out, as a Game, Games can be played seriously but it is still a "Game" and it is "Played", this implies something we should all be Aware of... Doing it all Blissfully makes all the difference compared to doing it via Suffering it.. 

[mrroboto]

Wonderful explanation 👏 👌 

[Arthogaan]

23 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

If you understand what infinity implies, you see clearly that God has no control, and therefore the word God is misleading.

Relative reality is the absolute reflecting on itself infinitely, since the absolute is the absolute will to be, since the will not to be is not a possibility. then, from the inevitable total will to be everything emerges, and everything is in essence the absolute in infinite facets. You cannot control what is infinite since control implies limits. God is the absence of limits, therefore God only has one will: to be. And can't choose to have or not that will, it's absolute and inevitable, therefore god is and inevitable natural phenomena that happens because there are not limits and the unfathomable depth is. 

Those words literally create a feeling of Big Bang (which happens each second)