Now Aubrey Marcus … what is going on?!

[What Am I]

12 minutes ago, Bando said:

Humans will always be humans no matter how "developed" you perceive them to be, there will always be a couple character flaws somewhere.

Anyone who prescribes heavily to online mentors, understand you don't know them in real life, you don't know their true unfiltered beliefs on how they view the world.

This applies even more to online figures that promote "consciousness", discuss new age topics, and has a following, there is a certain ego that someone develops after having mystical experiences or any success in general that makes them have an attitude of "others just don't understand their too stupid" 

Its not a coincidence that these "conscious" people usually always fall into right leaning topics, its a safe space for "ideas outside the matrix" this aligns with their core attitude.

The best way to observe human nature is to contemplate on the levels deception the mind is able to cultivate. Leo has been hammering this point a lot in his blogs this year and I agree.

It gets even more complicated. Without trying to be a braggart, I've personally reached some very significant states of consciousness, many times, both with and without psychedelics. And I've been at it for over 20 years. My development in that area is considerable compared to the average person who doesn't realize that a sharpening of their conscious awareness is something they can aspire towards.

But I find that I'm simply not in lockstep agreement with some of the high-consciosness individuals on the forum. Perhaps the two factors aren't as interlinked as we're imagining. I have my doubts that there's many here who take spirituality as seriously as I do. Again, not trying to brag, just using it as a reference to point out the strangeness of tying authentic consciousness development to political opinion.

So yeah, I agree with you that those who promote consciousness may lean right, but they can just as easily lean left in my opinion. I'm sure that notion will be met with some ferocity, lol.

Edited Sunday at 06:21 PM by What Am I

[What Am I]

Also, I question what you guys mean when you mention consciousness development. What exactly are you referring to? Maybe we have differing definitions.

To me, it's quite simple. It's the unfiltered awareness of reality, with perception cleansed from conceptual interference which is highly prone to creating a sense of self that's erroneously intertwined with one's thoughts. After development has occurred, the mind remains with all its capability, but it's no longer the strict expression of You.

That's a shortened definition of how I view consciousness development. Almost like a kinesthetic skill, such as riding a bike.

Edited Sunday at 06:47 PM by What Am I

[Ulax]

5 hours ago, Ishanga said:

yes, just imagine what it is like to be Musk and be worth 200+billion $$, running multiple companies, making decisions daily that affect lots of ppl, constantly being asked for opinion/interviews, harassed up the ass probably, being sued daily I bet, family life, we cannot imagine what it is like or the pressure, pain or pleasure of it..

We can judge it, but there is no Credibility to our judgement when we state it in a place like this, anyone can say anything about anyone, doesn't matter no credibility to what ppl say, but if another person similar in statue to Musk as an example, says something they can judge and it be credible since they are in similar situations and know up to a point, we don't know squat about ppl like Musk, and/or Trump and others...

Okay I think I get you.

I think when you say 'there is no credibility to our judgment' that is too absolute of a claim. I think that it would be more accurate to argue that there is doubt over the credibility of our judgment regarding some aspects of their lives.

Like if you saw Elon Musk dropkick a baby, you wouldn't need to understand what it means to be rich to be able to credibly judge him.

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, Ulax said:

Like if you saw Elon Musk dropkick a baby, you wouldn't need to understand what it means to be rich to be able to credibly judge him.

Exactly. When people do things, we can observe those things. When they do 1000 things, we can observe those and add all them all up to make a very accurate judgement about a character if we are careful with our thinking.

I think some people must have a very hard time with this type of thinking and because they themselves can't see clearly or don't want to, they project onto others that they cannot see clearly either and they assume people are drones who just fell for propaganda or something. They say things like "You can't read minds.". 😂 It's called observation and contemplation. 

I think people who fall into this category lack understanding of human nature. The current state of human nature isn't pretty, and many spiritual people do their best to avoid the truth because it isn't compatible with their version of spirituality. Most of the population lacks the cognitive development to spot deception, thus are easily influenced. They don't want to accept this.

1 hour ago, What Am I said:

Also, I question what you guys mean when you mention consciousness development. What exactly are you referring to? Maybe we have differing definitions.

To me, it's something like:

• High awareness of cognition (metacognition)
• Desire to seek truth and desire to act on it
• Cognitively energetic, because work has to be put in for development to occur
• Not bothered by uncertainty
• Ability to hold contradictory ideas
• Ability to do hypotheticals and to immerse oneself into other perspectives 
• Deep understanding of human nature 
• Deep understanding of how bias works 
• Ability to accept what is true, even if you can't stand it 
• Logical, good epistemology

I think low-conscious people can find God if they want to, but that doesn't mean they would be consciously developed, IMO. 

How do you define it? 

Edited Sunday at 08:28 PM by Joshe

[Oeaohoo]

On 09/11/2024 at 0:19 PM, Leo Gura said:

All these people are an embarassment to mankind. Every one of them.

Don't let them gaslight you with their bullshit. They chase fame, success, and money, not truth.

History will record all these people as buffoons.

It’s not about “mankind”, it’s about America. Whatever role America had in “advancing mankind”, it has long lost it.

[What Am I]

33 minutes ago, Joshe said:

To me, it's something like:

• High awareness of cognition (metacognition)
• Desire to seek truth and desire to act on it
• Cognitively energetic, because work has to be put in for development to occur
• Not bothered by uncertainty
• Ability to hold contradictory ideas
• Ability to do hypotheticals and to immerse oneself into other perspectives 
• Deep understanding of human nature 
• Deep understanding of how bias works 
• Ability to accept what is true, even if you can't stand it 
• Logical, good epistemology

I think low-conscious people can find God if they want to, but that doesn't mean they would be consciously developed, IMO. 

How do you define it? 

In addition to how I described it above, it's basically the simple act of mystical awakening, taught in wisdom traditions throughout time. It's a loss of what we typically think of as individuality, with a revealing of a direct experience of trans-rationals such as infinity, eternity, and the unitary consciousness that runs the whole show.

But as I reflect more, my objections could just be me acting like a snob and partially gatekeeping the word "consciousness." What you're describing is clearly real, and it's an important line of development as well. I guess I just have a pet peeve about our definitions getting entangled in certain ways. I think they're related, because all things are, but I'm not sure one necessarily causes the other.

33 minutes ago, Joshe said:

I think low-conscious people can find God if they want to, but that doesn't mean they would be consciously developed, IMO. 

This is what I mean though, because the authentic state of realizing your nature as God seems to be the crown jewel of conscious awareness. Being low-conscious and reaching that level would be an oxymoron by definition.

And for clarity's sake, I'm not claiming to be some ultra-enlightened master. I've just touched many times on some hugely powerful temporary states. Enough so that I realize what's possible in human awareness.

Edited Sunday at 08:56 PM by What Am I

[Schizophonia]

32 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Exactly. When people do things, we can observe those things. When they do 1000 things, we can observe those and add all them all up to make a very accurate judgement about a character if we are careful with our thinking.

I think some people must have a very hard time with this type of thinking and because they themselves can't see clearly or don't want to, they project onto others that they cannot see clearly either and they assume people are drones who just fell for propaganda or something. They say things like "You can't read minds.". 😂 It's called observation and contemplation. 

I think people who fall into this category lack understanding of human nature. The current state of human nature isn't pretty, and many spiritual people do their best to avoid the truth because it isn't compatible with their version of spirituality. Most of the population lacks the cognitive development to spot deception, thus are easily influenced. They don't want to accept this.

To me, it's something like:

• High awareness of cognition (metacognition)
• Desire to seek truth and desire to act on it
• Cognitively energetic, because work has to be put in for development to occur
• Not bothered by uncertainty
• Ability to hold contradictory ideas
• Ability to do hypotheticals and to immerse oneself into other perspectives 
• Deep understanding of human nature 
• Deep understanding of how bias works 
• Ability to accept what is true, even if you can't stand it 
• Logical, good epistemology

I think low-conscious people can find God if they want to, but that doesn't mean they would be consciously developed, IMO. 

How do you define it? 

"Low consciousness people" are your mirror.

You are like a repressed gay who talks about how gay, feminine etc people are. 

Edited Sunday at 08:55 PM by Schizophonia

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, What Am I said:

In addition to how I described it above, it's basically the simple act of mystical awakening, taught in wisdom traditions throughout time. It's a loss of what we typically think of as individuality, with a revealing of a direct experience of trans-rationals such as infinity, eternity, and the unitary consciousness that runs the whole show.

But as I reflect more, my objections could just be me acting like a snob and partially gatekeeping the word "consciousness." What you're describing is clearly real, and it's an important line of development as well. I guess I just have a pet peeve about our definitions getting entangled in certain ways. I think they're related, because all things are, but I'm not sure one necessarily causes the other.

Yeah, we're operating on different definitions for sure. 

You'll have a much easier time finding God if the items on my list are checked. 

I can't really explain what high consciousness is but it's more than just spiritual development. You can be enlightened and still be cognitively undeveloped.

Some people don't exercise cognition and as a result, they aren't very good with it. You have to put time in thinking if you want to be good at it. spiritual experiences don't automatically unlock thinking ability. 

I can't put into words what I'm trying to describe. The thinking occurs within an expanded awareness. It's not just thinking and thinking well. It's high awareness of the thinking. To be metacognitive and to be highly aware at the same time creates a thinking space that is totally different than a thinking space without those. 

I think it's hard to know what it means to be high consciousness because even if you are, you don't really know it without a lot of inquiry. You can be high conscious as hell and not know it. You'd know something is different from your consciousness and others, but you won't necessarily know that it's "higher".

If you're enlightened, you have high consciousness in that regard but my definition doesn't include spiritual development alone. It's development across all lines, via a mind that has high consciousness... if that makes sense. 

EDIT: I also suspect that you can be high-conscious and undeveloped across all lines as well, which might make people appear to be low conscious, so I guess I should start using the term "undeveloped" instead of low conscious because I can't know for sure. 

Edited Sunday at 10:11 PM by Joshe

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

"Low consciousness people" are your mirror.

You are like a repressed gay who talks about how gay, feminine etc people are. 

I was wondering when Dunning Kruger was going to chime in. Spot on, as always. Thanks! 

[What Am I]

15 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Yeah, we're operating on different definitions for sure. 

You'll have a much easier time finding God if the items on my list are checked. 

I can't really explain what high consciousness is but it's more than just spiritual development. You can be enlightened and still be cognitively undeveloped.

Some people don't exercise cognition and as a result, they aren't very good with it. You have to put time in thinking if you want to be good at it. spiritual experiences don't automatically unlock thinking ability. 

I can't put into words what I'm trying to describe. The thinking occurs within an expanded awareness. It's not just thinking and thinking well. It's high awareness of the thinking. To be metacognitive and to be highly aware at the same time creates a thinking space that is totally different than a thinking space without those. 

I think it's hard to know what it means to be high consciousness because even if you are, you don't really know it without a lot of inquiry. You can be high conscious as hell and not know it. 

If you're enlightened, you have high consciousness in that regard but my definition doesn't rely on spiritual development alone. It's development across all lines, via a mind that has high consciousness... if that makes sense. 

That does all make sense, thanks. I think your line about being metacognitively aware actually dips into the type of development I'm talking about as well, so there probably is at least some crossover. It sounds like the divine witness, which is ever-aware and ever-present, yet paradoxically just outside the notice of most people. So certainly a spiritual element there. And I also agree that having your mental shit in order does make it much easier to find God in the literal sense.

So I guess it's different yet the same. Either way, I acknowledge the value in that kind of development. There's no reason to believe thinking isn't a skill, along with the ability to experience silence. And the two come together to make up the experience of being human.

Edited Sunday at 10:10 PM by What Am I

[Rafael Thundercat]

What about actually making this Hall of Shame? A Wiki with all The Influencers who basically become Nuts with this Re-election. Of course realizing that people change with time or sometimes change when is a good oportunity. 

For example James Burnman in his widely read 1940 book The Management Revolution had edged towards suggesting that a return towards mass slavery was aactually inevitable in the modern world. He belived that the newly developing "Management Class" of technocrats and bureaucrats would inevitably take control of that Karl Marx had called "the means of production" . Armed with this exclusive power, they could form a permanent rulin class, with the rest of society living as increasingly drones. ( Burnman a former Trotskyist who had become a hard-line rigth-winger,tended to favor Nazi Germany, he later retracted and apologised for his tacit support to Nazism, but only after Stalinists and the liberal democracies had reduced the Nazi empire to smouldering rubble.

So maybe Marcus regret his support. Only later when and if he realise that this move wad bad for his life and Bussiness. 

[Joshe]

4 minutes ago, What Am I said:

That does all make sense, thanks. I think your line about being metacognitively aware actually dips into the type of development I'm talking about as well, so there probably is at least some crossover. It sounds like the divine witness, which is ever-aware and ever-present, yet paradoxically just outside the notice of most people. So certainly a spiritual element there. And I also agree that having your mental shit in order does make it much easier to find God in the literal sense.

So I guess it's different yet the same. Either way, I acknowledge the value in that kind of development. There's no reason to believe thinking isn't a skill, along with the ability to experience silence. And the two come together to make up the experience of being human.

If you have high awareness, you have high awareness of your thoughts. For example, I can often see in real time where thoughts come from or trace them back to what triggered them. You can witness the instant intuition serves something up from nowhere. 

The more aware of the inner world, the higher the consciousness.

Thoughts are a part of that inner world and as such, a higher consciousness would very much notice them and their quality. Which means they'd be aware of fallacy in thinking, and they would catch the errors quickly because of the high awareness, and awareness would also make it obvious that the quality of those thoughts are of high importance.

The lower the consciousness, the more predictable it is. It's like Pavlov's bells. A low consciousness person usually acts on impulse without thought and they're quick to emote. Another indicator is not caring if what they're saying is grounded in solid reason. There are several other indicators/heuristics but I think you get the idea. 

[Joshe]

3 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

What about actually making this Hall of Shame? A Wiki with all The Influencers who basically become Nuts with this Re-election. Of course realizing that people change with time or sometimes change when is a good oportunity. 

Good idea. It'd be a lot of work though. 

[What Am I]

9 minutes ago, Joshe said:

If you have high awareness, you have high awareness of your thoughts. For example, I can often see in real time where thoughts come from or trace them back to what triggered them. You can witness the instant intuition serves something up from nowhere. 

The more aware of the inner world, the higher the consciousness.

Thoughts are a part of that inner world and as such, a higher consciousness would very much notice them and their quality. Which means they'd be aware of fallacy in thinking, and they would catch the errors quickly because of the high awareness, and awareness would also make it obvious that the quality of those thoughts are of high importance.

The lower the consciousness, the more predictable it is. It's like Pavlov's bells. A low consciousness person usually acts on impulse without thought and they're quick to emote. Another indicator is not caring if what they're saying is grounded in solid reason. There are several other indicators/heuristics but I think you get the idea. 

Ah, I see. That is a lot clearer, and I think I can really get a hold now of what you're describing. I totally agree that "high-consciousness" is an appropriate label for that condition, because that's exactly what it is.

It reminds me of this post from a week ago. Destiny and his debate opponent seem to be good examples of this split, with Destiny obviously being the more conscious of the two. I noted as much in the post, and I agree, it's a super valuable thing.

 

Edited Sunday at 10:46 PM by What Am I

[Joshe]

24 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Ah, I see. That is a lot clearer, and I think I can really get a hold now of what you're describing. I totally agree that "high-consciousness" is an appropriate label for that condition, because that's exactly what it is.

It reminds me of this post from a week ago. Destiny and his debate opponent seem to be good examples of this split, with Destiny obviously being the more conscious of the two. I noted as much in the post, and I agree, it's a super valuable thing.

Nice! Yeah, I think we'd all agree more if we were all working from the same definitions 😆. I'll check that post out. 

[ChrisZoZo]

On 09/11/2024 at 0:19 PM, Leo Gura said:

History will record all these people as buffoons.

🤣

[ChrisZoZo]

He might have had insider information that if Trump gets elected, the world will not go down a nuclear holocaust. 
 

I don’t have this information it may be completely wrong, but you can absolutely see the future. The people around him might have this information. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

It looks like  Charles Eisenstein also derailed. But I can find the exact Reel,Post or Info where he implicitly show that he is supporting Trump Victory. 

[Thorsten Fuzzi]

On 9.11.2024 at 1:19 PM, Leo Gura said:

All these people are an embarassment to mankind. Every one of them.

Don't let them gaslight you with their bullshit. They chase fame, success, and money, not truth.

History will record all these people as buffoons.

I'm grateful to be here. I'm Bavarian, living in Austria, but even I, just from using a lot of English-speaking internet, can feel the pull on my psyche. Admittedly, sometimes I can hear the regression into lower degrees of Consciousness like sirens singing. Something in me still resonates with the narcissism, the macho stuff, and the sheer energy behind it. My grandpa was a literal Nazi, and so we're all my great-grandparents. There is only my dad in between us. Genetically, we're about the same person. I'm fooling myself if I think that I could not become like grandpa. As Consciousness, I am untouchable, but as a person, so very corruptible, and it scares me.

I'm grateful to be here. I'm grateful for a voice of reason. I'm grateful for the reassurance. I don't wanna give up my heart and intelligence, even if it means standing alone, even if the whole West eventually gaslights itself. I love life far too much. Dignity is an intrinsic face of God. Flirting with Fascism in any way, no matter the economic precarity, is below the dignity of this life, is denying God.

[Emerald]

15 minutes ago, Thorsten Fuzzi said:

I'm grateful to be here. I'm Bavarian, living in Austria, but even I, just from using a lot of English-speaking internet, can feel the pull on my psyche. Admittedly, sometimes I can hear the regression into lower degrees of Consciousness like sirens singing. Something in me still resonates with the narcissism, the macho stuff, and the sheer energy behind it. My grandpa was a literal Nazi, and so we're all my great-grandparents. There is only my dad in between us. Genetically, we're about the same person. I'm fooling myself if I think that I could not become like grandpa. As Consciousness, I am untouchable, but as a person, so very corruptible, and it scares me.

I'm grateful to be here. I'm grateful for a voice of reason. I'm grateful for the reassurance. I don't wanna give up my heart and intelligence, even if it means standing alone, even if the whole West eventually gaslights itself. I love life far too much. Dignity is an intrinsic face of God. Flirting with Fascism in any way, no matter the economic precarity, is below the dignity of this life, is denying God.

It's good that you're aware of that tendency within yourself.

The ability to recognize your Fascist Shadow can help you avoid the collective pull towards Fascism.

It is those that identify with goodness that think "I could never be a Fascist" that are the most susceptible to being weaponized by a demagogue.

But don't let what I just said make you complacent. Now is the time to explore and discover the vulnerabilities and patterns that that Fascist impulse arises from.

Ask yourself "Where does that pull on my psyche come from?"

"In what ways does the pull towards Fascism feel like it will serve or protect me?

"What is it about macho stuff that feels appealing to me?"

"Why does Fascism feel alluring?