Now Aubrey Marcus … what is going on?!

[Consept]

2 hours ago, What Am I said:

Destiny recently made a similar request and was provided a video where Musk went in-depth into rocket science concepts during an interview. It was enough for Destiny to be convinced he had underestimated him.

Personally, I don't view Musk as very quick-witted, but I do think he has some obvious intelligence. It's likely that many on the right overestimate him, but his accomplishments alone show that he's an atypical person.

 

Musk is extremely intelligent in certain fields, but what dangerous is his belief that if he's intelligent in these fields he's also intelligent in every field, which leads to an arrogance that can lead to potentially disastrous consequences. 

In this video below, who claims that just being bigger than someone would give you a greater chance of beating someone smaller even if they're trained. He's saying this in reference to him fighting Zuckerberg, in that because he's bigger he'll just lay on him. He's also saying this to Rogan, who has probably as in-depth knowledge as you can have on mma and obviously doesn't agree with him. Think of the childish arrogance you must have to assert a wrong position you believe in and argue with an expert in that field. Then think about how Musk follows his convictions in fields he isn't an expert in then it gets a bit dangerous. 

 

[zurew]

2 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Nobody here can Credibility judge Musk or anyone that has done anything significant with their lives and is recognized world wide for it simply because You have no Idea what they are really like, who they are, what they stand for and what it means to be them and live their daily lives, all You have is information that is biased one way or the other telling You stories about them, there is no credibility.

What is it like to be worth 200+Billion US $$? No one here can comprehend what the responsibility is like, so no one has credibility to make a judgement that others can look upon as right or wrong. This goes with anyone that has done anything worth while, if you haven't then stating opinion about them means only something to you alone!

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You cant judge Jeffrey Epstein for what he did - I mean think about it, he had so many billionaire and millionaire friends and  you have no idea what Jeffrey Esptein was in person or what he was standing for - maybe he was a great husband, maybe he was a great friend. All you have information about is what the extremely biased media told you and there is a reason why you only know about his crimes.

Maybe those huge companies that provide so many jobs to so many people around the world wouldnt be there today, if Jeffrey Epstein wouldn't have been who he was. He was an extremely great middle-man for networking and probably managed to connect so many bright minds and wealthy people together. Would those wealthy people have managed to get to where they are today, without Epstein's great networking ability ? Well, we will never know.

No one here can compherend the responsibility of navigating meetings and conversations with a bunch of billionaire and millionaires who are all power hungry , therefore no one has the credibility to make any judgement about what Epstein did.

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[Ishanga]

5 hours ago, Ulax said:

You could make the same argument for not being able to judge ISIS for judging peoples heads off. Your argument leads to absurdity

No where near the same comparison, they are crazy zealots that is obvious, ideological to the max, the other like Musk are not, they've done both good and bad things but generally are empowering society and ppl, the point is we, you and I cannot "Credibly" judge, meaning no one should listen to us in this regard when it comes to anyone doing anything empowering in this world, as we do not know in any way what they are like or their processes, if we did we would be them in many way and we are not on that level...

[Ishanga]

4 hours ago, zurew said:

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You cant judge Jeffrey Epstein for what he did - I mean think about it, he had so many billionaire and millionaire friends and  you have no idea what Jeffrey Esptein was in person or what he was standing for - maybe he was a great husband, maybe he was a great friend. All you have information about is what the extremely biased media told you and there is a reason why you only know about his crimes.

Maybe those huge companies that provide so many jobs to so many people around the world wouldnt be there today, if Jeffrey Epstein wouldn't have been who he was. He was an extremely great middle-man for networking and probably managed to connect so many bright minds and wealthy people together. Would those wealthy people have managed to get to where they are today, without Epstein's great networking ability ? Well, we will never know.

No one here can compherend the responsibility of navigating meetings and conversations with a bunch of billionaire and millionaires who are all power hungry , therefore no one has the credibility to make any judgement about what Epstein did.

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Again like the other guy, not the same comparison, why are You guys using negative examples... Their actions speak for themselves, their actions hurt others, Musk and others their actions are hurting others? You guys at times think You know what these ppl are like absolutely, You don't but you base your assessments on it and it leads to false knowing and then belief or conclusion making which blinds You. None of us here know really what Trump is about, especially when half the population says he's good and the other says he's bad, if it was 90-10 in favor that he is bad then it would be obvious right, but it isn't, half the ppl cannot be that crazy...

Edited Sunday at 11:45 AM by Ishanga

[Ulax]

27 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

No where near the same comparison, they are crazy zealots that is obvious, ideological to the max, the other like Musk are not, they've done both good and bad things but generally are empowering society and ppl, the point is we, you and I cannot "Credibly" judge, meaning no one should listen to us in this regard when it comes to anyone doing anything empowering in this world, as we do not know in any way what they are like or their processes, if we did we would be them in many way and we are not on that level...

Your earlier argument: “because You have no Idea what they are really like, who they are, what they stand for and what it means to be them and live their daily lives, all You have is information that is biased one way or the other telling You stories about them, there is no credibility.“

That argument would still mean you can’t judge isis for chopping off peoples heads. 

[Ishanga]

5 minutes ago, Ulax said:

Your earlier argument: “because You have no Idea what they are really like, who they are, what they stand for and what it means to be them and live their daily lives, all You have is information that is biased one way or the other telling You stories about them, there is no credibility.“

That argument would still mean you can’t judge isis for chopping off peoples heads. 

Is chopping off ppl's head empowering in any way for any reason? No, so there is no judgement needed, the act alone speaks for itself! I don't have to make a conclusion or intellectual look at and deduct that it is bad,  or these ppl are this or that, the act alone says it all,  Musk, Trump, Biden, whomever has done anything worthwhile on this planet or made something huge of themselves are not on this level, its much more subtle, which You are not able to recognize it seems, so we cannot judge them with any "Credibility" because we have no idea what it is like to be them or their situation..

What ppl are doing is looking at someone in their backyard from a mile away thinking they know what they are doing in their backyard but they can't really see it that well, but they think they know what is going on in the backyard..

Edited Sunday at 12:16 PM by Ishanga

[Ulax]

28 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Is chopping off ppl's head empowering in any way for any reason? No, so there is no judgement needed, the act alone speaks for itself! I don't have to make a conclusion or intellectual look at and deduct that it is bad,  or these ppl are this or that, the act alone says it all,  Musk, Trump, Biden, whomever has done anything worthwhile on this planet or made something huge of themselves are not on this level, its much more subtle, which You are not able to recognize it seems, so we cannot judge them with any "Credibility" because we have no idea what it is like to be them or their situation..

What ppl are doing is looking at someone in their backyard from a mile away thinking they know what they are doing in their backyard but they can't really see it that well, but they think they know what is going on in the backyard..

I see. So you are essentially arguing that these sorts of public figures are easily misjudged?

[Ishanga]

12 minutes ago, Ulax said:

I see. So you are essentially arguing that these sorts of public figures are easily misjudged?

yes, just imagine what it is like to be Musk and be worth 200+billion $$, running multiple companies, making decisions daily that affect lots of ppl, constantly being asked for opinion/interviews, harassed up the ass probably, being sued daily I bet, family life, we cannot imagine what it is like or the pressure, pain or pleasure of it..

We can judge it, but there is no Credibility to our judgement when we state it in a place like this, anyone can say anything about anyone, doesn't matter no credibility to what ppl say, but if another person similar in statue to Musk as an example, says something they can judge and it be credible since they are in similar situations and know up to a point, we don't know squat about ppl like Musk, and/or Trump and others...

Edited Sunday at 12:56 PM by Ishanga

[Consept]

I'll make a new post for this but this is what Elon Musk did for Trump and himself this election 

 

 

[zurew]

5 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Again like the other guy, not the same comparison, why are You guys using negative examples... Their actions speak for themselves, their actions hurt others, Musk and others their actions are hurting others? You guys at times think You know what these ppl are like absolutely, You don't but you base your assessments on it and it leads to false knowing and then belief or conclusion making which blinds You. None of us here know really what Trump is about, especially when half the population says he's good and the other says he's bad, if it was 90-10 in favor that he is bad then it would be obvious right, but it isn't, half the ppl cannot be that crazy...

Comparison doesn't meant that you compare two things across all dimensions - you can compare two different things just on 1 dimension.

What happened here is that I outlined the sillyness in your logic. The idea that one can only validly judge someone if one has the exact same lifesituation (like having the same amount of kids, having the same amount of money , having the same career etc) is silly.

Again when I apply your logic to other situations like to Jeffrey Epstein, you immediately backtrack and you don't want to use your logic anymore. It seems that in those situations you are perfectly okay with judging those people and you don't qualify with "well my judgement isn't credible , since I am not in a similar life situations as Jeffrey Epstein".

 

The interesting thing is that you are not consistent with your skepticism. Because if you would be, you wouldn't even make positive judgements about Elon and Trump you would stay completely agnostic about both of them, since as you said you cant credibly judge them. But if you cant credibly judge them , that also means that you cant say any positive  about them.

When people judge Elon and Trump they judge them based on their actions. If you want to put a % on how much good vs bad a given person has done, then again we are going to go back to your silly skepticism problem, where im gonna say "Well you know little about Epstein, how do you know that you can correctly assess all the bad and good things that he did, maybe he did much more good than what you know about and your % about him is very much off".

The other thing is that even if you can establish that given all publicy avalaible knowledge about a given person makes that person more good than bad (based on their actions) , even then one can still make comments about their negative and their bad actions.

Edited Sunday at 04:47 PM by zurew

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, Consept said:

I'll make a new post for this but this is what Elon Musk did for Trump and himself this election 

 

Great video. The same people who turn a blind eye to Trump will turn a blind eye to Elon. They'll call this video fake news and propaganda. 

This woman does a nice job of articulating our situation:

She mentions the problem is people can't accept facts, which is 100%. Why can't they accept facts? Because they're ignorantly serving their weak ass petty emotions, which they can't even identify in themselves. 

If you ask me, I think Putin is behind most of this. There's no telling how deeply these bot farms go. I wouldn't be surprised if they're even on this forum. 

[Joshe]

12 hours ago, What Am I said:

Destiny recently made a similar request and was provided a video where Musk went in-depth into rocket science concepts during an interview. It was enough for Destiny to be convinced he had underestimated him.

Jesus. First of all, he didn't go in-depth on rocket science. Second, because you explain why material x is better than material y does not indicate intelligence. It indicates a working mind that's probably interested in complexity. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's dumb, but this video is not evidence. The best evidence I've heard is that he's like #4 in the world on some video game. That is more impressive than him regurgitating concepts that people think you have to be intelligent to regurgitate. 

Many people could easily commit to memory what he's talking about in a day. It is not genius to get the high-level overview of how things work. If you're the head of SpaceX, I'd say it'd be a good idea to understand the rockets.

I just started getting into microscopy, of which, most people are clueless. If I start talking about different staining techniques and the chemistry behind them, would you think I'm intelligent? I would hope not. Some people are drawn to complexity, and Elon seems to be, but I don't think he's no more a genius than I am, and I am not.

Edited Sunday at 04:47 PM by Joshe

[What Am I]

5 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Jesus. First of all, he didn't go in-depth on rocket science. Second, because you explain why material x is better than material y does not indicate intelligence. It indicates a working mind that's probably interested in complexity. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's dumb, but this video is not evidence. The best evidence I've heard is that he's like #4 in the world on some video game. That is more impressive than him regurgitating concepts that people think you have to be intelligent to regurgitate. 

Many people could easily commit to memory what he's talking about in a day. It is not genius to get the high-level overview of how things work. If you're the head of SpaceX, I'd say it'd be a good idea to understand the rockets.

I just started getting into microscopy, of which, most people are clueless. If I start talking about different staining techniques and the chemistry behind them, would you think I'm intelligent? I would hope not. Some people are drawn to complexity, and Elon seems to be, but I don't think he's no more a genius than I am, and I am not.

It's not worth me arguing on this one. I don't really think he's that extraordinary either in terms of raw intelligence and access to genius-level inspiration. He's probably smart enough, and definitely very driven, but I don't think he's the modern-day Nikola Tesla that he's made out to be.

[Consept]

46 minutes ago, Joshe said:

If you ask me, I think Putin is behind most of this. There's no telling how deeply these bot farms go. I wouldn't be surprised if they're even on this forum. 

Yeah this is my feeling as well. The cold fact is Trump is for sale and theres a lot of people like Putin, like Musk who see him as a way to meet their personal objectives. To put Trump as the man in charge of the richest and most militaristic country in the world and probably in history, is batshit crazy. The Russian bots are probably everywhere and theyre working, its like digital warfare

[Joshe]

25 minutes ago, Consept said:

Yeah this is my feeling as well. The cold fact is Trump is for sale and theres a lot of people like Putin, like Musk who see him as a way to meet their personal objectives. To put Trump as the man in charge of the richest and most militaristic country in the world and probably in history, is batshit crazy. The Russian bots are probably everywhere and theyre working, its like digital warfare

Did you hear about Russian state TV airing Melania's nudes the other day and then congratulating Trump right after? I interpreted this as Putin sending a message to Trump, but I'm not sure what the message would be. The following is pure speculation, obviously, but Imagine if Putin has a video of Trump having sex with a minor or something like that and and then he airs Melania's nudes on state tv. If you were Trump, that would be scary as hell. It could be Putin reminding Trump he's still got control over him and to not let his ego get too far ahead of itself with his newfound power. 

Edited Sunday at 05:42 PM by Joshe

[PurpleTree]

24 minutes ago, Consept said:

Yeah this is my feeling as well. The cold fact is Trump is for sale and theres a lot of people like Putin, like Musk who see him as a way to meet their personal objectives. To put Trump as the man in charge of the richest and most militaristic country in the world and probably in history, is batshit crazy. The Russian bots are probably everywhere and theyre working, its like digital warfare

But then i think there is a kind of deep state in the US. Pentagon, CIA etc. would they allow Trump to sell the US interests to Russia and China?

[Nemra]

IMO, Trump was compromised long ago.

[Gennadiy1981]

@Ishanga I like your responses to people, especially about Musk. People here criticize led and right and calling him idiot, but I am sure mos told them live in their mother’s basement while as you said  Musk has 200 Billion or whatever.

What I find amazing, is that people think if they are in this forum they are high conscious individuals but reading their silly posts, it just shows that they are deeply asleep and too much mesmerized with the mainstream media and can’t think on their own.

[Consept]

21 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Did you hear about Russian state TV airing Melania's nudes the other day and then congratulating Trump right after? I interpreted this as Putin sending a message to Trump, but I'm not sure what the message would be. The following is pure speculation, obviously, but Imagine if Putin has a video of Trump having sex with a minor or something like that and and then he airs Melania's nudes on state tv. If you were Trump, that would be scary as hell. It could be Putin reminding Trump he's still got control over him and to not let his ego get too far ahead of itself with his newfound power. 

WTF?? Nah hadnt heard that, thats crazy though. There was speculation that Putin has some kind of evidence against him. Its not out of the realm of possibility, Putin is capable of it and Trump would 100% do something like that, especially taking into account what Epstein was saying about his proclivities. The only thing is that it would literally have to be Trump fucking a minor or an animal or something because just normal sleeping with your friends wife stuff wont really do it.

18 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

But then i think there is a kind of deep state in the US. Pentagon, CIA etc. would they allow Trump to sell the US interests to Russia and China?

I dont really know too much about the deep state stuff, but its pretty much fact that there are lobbyists and funders of presidential campaigns that have their interests. I cant see them being happy about Trump working with China and Russia, not many in the US would be cool with that. 

20 minutes ago, Nemra said:

IMO, Trump was compromised long ago.

I agree and not just him, all these media people like Tim Pool who have been spouting Russian propaganda for years 

[Bando]

Humans will always be humans no matter how "developed" you perceive them to be, there will always be a couple character flaws somewhere.

Anyone who prescribes heavily to online mentors, understand you don't know them in real life, you don't know their true unfiltered beliefs on how they view the world.

This applies even more to online figures that promote "consciousness", discuss new age topics, and has a following, there is a certain ego that someone develops after having mystical experiences or any success in general that makes them have an attitude of "others just don't understand their too stupid" 

Its not a coincidence that these "conscious" people usually always fall into right leaning topics, its a safe space for "ideas outside the matrix" this aligns with their core attitude.

The best way to observe human nature is to contemplate on the levels deception the mind is able to cultivate. Leo has been hammering this point a lot in his blogs this year and I agree.