Your suffering is incompetence

[ivarmaya]

Pain is a thought. Suffering is a thought. It’s a mental drama you’re playing out with yourself.

Once you realise this it isn’t complicated; it’s obvious,  it’s not hard, and it’s not only for the Buddha or Christ (that’s a fantasy).

It’s like if you knew only one language…let’s call it “the bad language”….and then suddenly discovered another language, “the good language.” Every time you thought in the bad language, you would experience suffering. But once you’d learned the good language, it wouldn’t be hard to start thinking in it instead. It would take some effort, but you’d always know that whenever you were suffering, you were simply thinking in the bad language. And from there, you could choose not to do that.

Meaning, realizing this doesn’t mean you’re suddenly free of all patterns….you’ll still have conditioned responses and habits to work through. But you’ll have the ability to start catching yourself in the act and making changes.

Physical pain might seem different…more concrete. But I’ve managed to create enjoyable relationships with many experiences that would typically be labeled as “painful.”

I’m not saying you will completely overcome suffering, but you can eliminate it by 90%, no need to manufacture what is already coming your way.

But the reason you have such a hard time letting go of your addiction to suffering is that you are deeply identified with it, your whole world is constant problems and suffering.

Some might argue that suffering is part of the Absolute truth. And of course that’s correct. And what? Just because all things are part of the Absolute doesn’t mean you’re compelled to act them out. Recognizing something as part of reality doesn’t mean you have to embody it. Killing people is part of the Absolute truth, that doesn’t mean you have to do that voluntarily.

The reason for your suffering is way more likely to be your lack of awareness and incompetence, rather than you being some messiah.

Be honest with yourself, do you really want to suffer? 

Edited November 8, 2024 by ivarmaya

[Ishanga]

I think ppl so lack in Intensity of Experience that they will take what they get, whether it is immense Suffering or Grand Bliss, both are Intense Experiences, so since they can't create or find the Bliss they can easily find ways to Suffer so they choose that to feel some sort of Intensity in Life, it makes their hearts beat faster, that is my experience with ppl in life...

[Princess Arabia]

People usually aren't suffering their circumstances; they are suffering the narrative that goes with it. Just like you said, mental drama. It's an awareness issue. Once you realize that that's what's happening, one can become aware and realize that was just a thought. People should test this out to see for themselves. Next time you're suffering, notice it's the thoughts you're identifying with. Notice in the moment what it is that you are doing while the thoughts appear and be in the moment with that. Every time you find yourself suffering, ask yourself, what am I currently doing, whether it's sitting, driving, walking, etc and be in the moment. If you keep doing this, the suffering energy will not appear as often, and will start to lessen.

 

[Breakingthewall]

It's impossible to stop the suffering if you are attached to the impermanent, and it's impossible to don't be attached to the impermanent if you aren't totally enlightened. Enlightened implies be one with the absolute, with your true nature, and see the relative as a mirage in the form, but absolute in its essence. 

It's extremely difficult to be detached of the form, but it is the way, seems that the absolute manifests in everything inversely proportional to how attached you are to the form

Edited November 8, 2024 by Breakingthewall

[Malekakisioannis]

@ivarmaya tell that to someone with cluster headaches 

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Malekakisioannis said:

@ivarmaya tell that to someone with cluster headaches 

That's not suffering; that's pain.

[ivarmaya]

2 hours ago, Malekakisioannis said:

@ivarmaya tell that to someone with cluster headaches 

 

I have actually already changed my relationship with headaches…I used to get migraines. You can change the pain into a sort of orgasmic feeling or high if you manage to stay curious and surrender to what you are experiencing.

[Malekakisioannis]

@ivarmaya spiritual bs. You live in fantasy land. Some pains cannot be surrendered. @Princess Arabia extreme pain causes suffering even if you are a super Buddha eleventh jhana sahaja samadhi self realized yogananda satguru anally 5meod shamanic superintelligence. 

[Sugarcoat]

5 minutes ago, Malekakisioannis said:

super Buddha eleventh jhana sahaja samadhi self realized yogananda satguru anally 5meod shamanic superintelligence. 

Lmao 😂

[ivarmaya]

5 minutes ago, Malekakisioannis said:

@ivarmaya spiritual bs. You live in fantasy land. Some pains cannot be surrendered. @Princess Arabia extreme pain causes suffering even if you are a super Buddha eleventh jhana sahaja samadhi self realized yogananda satguru anally 5meod shamanic superintelligence. 

Do not put words in my mouth. I did not say all pains can be surrendered neither is that my goal…here is what I said; ”I’m not saying you will completely overcome suffering, but you can eliminate it by 90%”

This does not mean I’m saying you cannot surrender all pain, but I have not experienced that and therefore I’m not in a position to tell, are you? If not, I suggest you humble yourself and your assumptions.

[Princess Arabia]

37 minutes ago, Malekakisioannis said:

super Buddha eleventh jhana sahaja samadhi self realized yogananda satguru anally 5meod shamanic superintelligence

I suffered through reading that. Lol

[ivarmaya]

@Malekakisioannis

I understand you are suffering but try to ask yourself why your idea of the experience of pain is so biased to being ‘bad’? That’s the only unconscious fantasy I can see here. 

And regarding the headaches, it’s a known phenomenon within the kundalini domain to experience them and, through surrender, find pleasure in the experience. If you’re suffering from it, I suggest you look into it if you need proof outside of yourself.

If you are suffering and this is too much for you to swallow, that’s okay, you don’t have to accept any of what I’m saying. I say all this with love and if you are suffering I feel for you, I would just rather show my compassion by potentially give you the opportunity to stop suffering.

[Javfly33]

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Be honest with yourself, do you really want to suffer? 

Of course not, I don´t.

Suffering is just the proof that I am not handling things right, whether is in the mental aspect, body aspect, energy aspect, in summary: The controller is not being handled correctly.

So this what Spirituality is, to go from operating the machine in a bad way to operate it to how it supposed to function: friction free, aligned with reality. 

 

Good post by the way! @ivarmaya

Edited November 10, 2024 by Javfly33

[Sugarcoat]

The human ego works in such a way it forms attachments. We suffer our attachments. To combat this requires self awareness to be aware of our attachments and identifications. Self awareness also means focusing on yourself, attention on self. Through shining the spotlight of attention on yourself it aids in dissolving uncomfortable identifications and attachments. It’s like a form of self inquiry 

Edited November 10, 2024 by Sugarcoat

[Arthogaan]

On 8.11.2024 at 10:27 PM, ivarmaya said:

But I’ve managed to create enjoyable relationships with many experiences that would typically be labeled as “painful.”

Can you describe them?

 

[Sugarcoat]

On 2024-11-08 at 11:58 PM, Breakingthewall said:

It's impossible to stop the suffering if you are attached to the impermanent, and it's impossible to don't be attached to the impermanent if you aren't totally enlightened.

This. It’s in the human egos design to be attached

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Suffering is just the proof that I am not handling things right, whether is in the mental aspect, body aspect, energy aspect, in summary: The controller is not being handled correctly.

So this what Spirituality is, to go from operating the machine in a bad way to operate it to how it supposed to function: friction free, aligned with re

Delusion all the way. For you and for everyone else that is using Spirituality to end suffering. To think suffering is proof of anything, is utter neurosis and to say you're not handling things right is pure narcissism at its best. I really feel bad for all these egos who are trying their best but my dear lovely one, you will be eating you tail forever and going around in loops if this is what you're trying to do. Everyday you will wake up and maybe ease the pain a little bit from your neurotic mind but it will be right back there in the morning after next with another neurotic problem to fix and you will feel better again by doing your sadhana or vipanana or your pannini or whatever it is that you do and be right back to suffering that neurotic mind of yours again in no time until the day you WAKE UP out of your narcissistic neurosis and realize there's nothing to fix and no one to do anything to stop suffering because suffering is not happening to anyone its just the egos neurosis and sense of importance that thinks its suffering and all this is happening out in thin fucking air. Woo woo, hee, hee haw haw

 

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

This. It’s in the human egos design to be attached

Yes, attachment is an evolutionary mechanism genetically implanted to ensure the survival of the species, and suffering is the energetic vibration that has been developed by evolution to force the individual to obey the genetic mandate. Transcending all this even for a few minutes is very difficult, it is a methodical and slow work always in the right direction. Clear understanding is essential to avoid falling into mental traps. 

Suffering happens because the attachment to the impermanence, but without this attachment you would be indifferent to your survival or the survival of the people close you, then the individuals with stronger attachment survive and transmit their legacy, and so on. The problem is that the impermanent is impermanent, then this attachment means suffering by default, all time. The trap of the ego, make us machines of survival but we have to pay the prize: a blocked mind full of anxiety, aggressiveness, hate, fear and evilness. A hell. 

Enlightenment means seeing through the impermanent, be open to the absolute, but if you are enlightened, you are not so worry about survival, about your genetic legacy, have a family, etc. Then, if all the humans were enlightened, the human kind would be extingued very fast, civilization never would happened. We could be enlightened now, when the survival is guaranteed by technology, and transmit our genetic legacy is not important anymore. 

Edited November 10, 2024 by Breakingthewall

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, attachment is an evolutionary mechanism genetically implanted to ensure the survival of the species, and suffering is the energetic vibration that has been developed by evolution to force the individual to obey the genetic mandate. Transcending all this even for a few minutes is very difficult, it is a methodical and slow work always in the right direction. Clear understanding is essential to avoid falling into mental traps. 

Suffering happens because the attachment to the impermanence, but without this attachment you would be indifferent to your survival or the survival of the people close you, then the individuals with stronger attachment survive and transmit their legacy, and so on. The problem is that the impermanent is impermanent, then this attachment means suffering by default, all time. The trap of the ego, make us machines of survival but we have to pay the prize: a blocked mind full of anxiety, aggressiveness, hate, fear and evilness. A hell. 

Right

[Breakingthewall]

23 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Everyday you will wake up and maybe ease the pain a little bit from your neurotic mind but it will be right back there in the morning after next with another neurotic problem to fix and you will feel better again by doing your sadhana or vipanana or your pannini

🤣 Imo you are right and wrong. Searching enlightenment to finish the suffering is narcissism and doesn't work, but if you are enlightened, the suffering is zero.

But who is enlightened all time? That's nothing that I would like, with a while sometimes is enough, then let's live, suffer and be humans. 

Btw, that of the suffering is happening to nobody doesn't work, the thing is open yourself to your true nature, not convince yourself that you are nothing. You are something, in fact everything