Is Abortion Murder?

[Nemra]

It doesn't matter if the baby has consciousness, is sentient, or whatever (non)spiritual justifications.

Also, let abortion be called a murder.

I'm pro-abortion because I want people to have the freedom of choice to not fuck up their child's life in the future, and theirs also.

The people who are anti-abortion should stfu, have their babies without planning, and deal with it.

Edited November 12 by Nemra

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

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[Spiritual Warfare]

45 minutes ago, Nemra said:

It doesn't matter if the baby has consciousness, is sentient, or whatever (non)spiritual justifications.

Also, let abortion be called a murder.

I'm pro-abortion because I want people to have the freedom of choice to not fuck up their child's life in the future, and theirs also.

The people who are anti-abortion should stfu, have their babies without planning, and deal with it.

I’m pro-choice because I believe people deserve the freedom to make the best decision for their lives and their future children. Choosing to have an abortion doesn’t make someone selfish or irresponsible, it means they’re considering what’s best for everyone involved. Those who are anti-abortion can make their own choices to have children, planned or unplanned, and deal with the responsibilities. But that shouldn’t mean they impose their beliefs on others.

 

 

[Salvijus]

You guys are dodging how good my argument was... But it's okay. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Would you do abortion out of love? 

Or would you do abortion only out of fear? Fear of responsibility for example. 

Maybe that's one way to come to the answer. Because if you can't do something out of love, then God is not supporting you in that action. 

Abortion is about personal choice, not love or fear. People should have the right to make decisions based on their own circumstances, not on someone else’s beliefs. 

[Nemra]

16 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Choosing to have an abortion doesn’t make someone selfish or irresponsible, it means they’re considering what’s best for everyone involved.

I would say that your cultural beliefs determine whether you are going to be perceived as selfish or selfless.

In any case, wanting to have a baby or not is a selfish act and couldn't be otherwise.

What I am against, like you said, is imposing it against others.

Edited November 12 by Nemra

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Abortion is about personal choice, not love or fear. People should have the right to make decisions based on their own circumstances, not on someone else’s beliefs. 

There are only two choices in life. Love or fear. One is of God. Another is of delusion. So it's very important here. 

Edited November 12 by Salvijus

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Nemra said:

I would say that your cultural beliefs determine whether you are going to be perceived as selfish or selfless.

But in any case, wanting to have a baby or not is a selfish act.

What I am against, like you said, is imposing it against others.

Choosing whether to have a baby is a deeply personal decision, and it’s not for anyone to judge as selfish or selfless. I can understand in some way that it might seem selfish, but it goes deeper than that, it feels like. 

 

 

[Spiritual Warfare]

4 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

There are only two choices in life. Love or fear. One is of God. Another is of delusion. So it's very important here. 

But you have to understand too, we humans think differently. Not all of us share the same beliefs. Those who are pro-abortion are often not religious, so they make decisions based on their own purposes, not anyone else’s.

 

 

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

But you have to understand too, we humans think differently. Not all of us share the same beliefs. Those who are pro-abortion are often not religious, so they make decisions based on their own purposes, not anyone else’s.

 

 

Love and fear has nothing to do with what you believe or religion. Those are existencial universal driving forces behind every action. 

Edited November 12 by Salvijus

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

Love and fear has nothing to do with what you believe or religion. Those are existencial universal driving forces behind every action. 

Love and fear have nothing to do with abortion. It’s only about the well-being of the individual.

 

 

[Nemra]

3 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Choosing whether to have a baby is a deeply personal decision, and it’s not for anyone to judge as selfish or selfless. I can understand in some way that it might seem selfish, but it goes deeper than that, it feels like.

Well, whatever the reason is, it is selfish. It might be selfish for a conservative but selfless for a liberal or vice versa. And I'm not even saying that selfish is bad.

Also, no matter if you are a conscious person, you're going to be selfish in raising your child. But conscious people understand the consequences.

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, Nemra said:

Well, whatever the reason is, it is selfish. It might be selfish for a conservative but selfless for a liberal or vice versa. And I'm not even saying that selfish is bad.

Also, no matter if you are a conscious person, you're going to be selfish in raising your child. But conscious people understand the consequences.

If everything we do is selfish, why do you have a problem with abortion being selfish, according to you?

 

 

[Nemra]

Just now, Spiritual Warfare said:

If everything we do is selfish, why do you have a problem with abortion being selfish, according to you?

I don't have a problem it. It is selfish.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Love and fear have nothing to do with abortion. It’s only about the well-being of the individual.

Only love cares about the well-being of everyone. So only love is an action in alignment with truth. Fear based actions are not. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, Nemra said:

I don't have a problem it. It is selfish.

You made it sound like it was negative.

 

 

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

Only love cares about the well-being of everyone. So only love is an action in alignment with truth. Fear based actions are not. 

People will still have different opinions when someone does it out of love or fear. There’s nothing objective about it for many.

 

 

[Nemra]

Just now, Spiritual Warfare said:

You made it sound like it was negative.

I'm for people having the choice of abortion so that they can be selfish in both ways, having a child or not having a child.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

People will still have different opinions when someone does it out of love or fear. There’s nothing objective about it for many.

The objective truth is. Unless you can do abortion out of love and excitement and joy. Your action is not in alignment with truth and God. Not just abortion but any action in general in life. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, Salvijus said:

The objective truth is. Unless you can do abortion out of love and excitement and joy. Your action is not in alignment with truth and God. Not just abortion but any action in general in life. 

These are just speculations for many. 😅 You have to understand that not everyone thinks like you, but I do like your way of thinking to some extent.