Lifetime supply of 5 meo

[Davino]

You could use statistics for this :

Count the pessimist amount (minimum you would do while still tripping)

Count the average quantity you would consume typically in your lifetime

Count the maximum quantity your body would be able to consume

Finally average those three and you may have a good estimator. Sometimes it is also done (4times the average+pessimistic+optimistic)/6

Just a thought that crossed my mind and wanted to drop in case it was useful. You know you and are responsible for the decision and the quantity.

[Leo Gura]

Having a large supply of drugs is like having a large supply of snacks. Don't be surprised how fast you will burn through it. Stocking your house with 10,000 pounds of snacks is not the wisest thing.

Edited Sunday at 03:57 PM by Leo Gura

[OBEler]

@Davino that's not suitable for me.

My tripping count is not linear, sometimes exponentially over a time period. Sometimes a break for month.thsts because I have right now too much commitment on other life aspects. That will settle down and then the serious work will begin.

[OBEler]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Having a large supply of drugs is like having a large supply of snacks. Don't be surprised how fast you will burn through it. Stocking your house with 10,000 pounds of snacks is not the wisest thing.

That's not my case. In my bedroom I have many substances always ready to go still I rarely touch them. I already have a life time source for my favorite but the consumption pattern has not changed because of this. 

I just need a number as a reference point. Not taking it seriously just having an idea where it could go.

I am a pretty rarely consumer (every 3 weeks to 2 months). So I cannot grasp how serious work with 5 meo psychedelics could look like.

For example I really thought 3 tabs of LSD is enough for 2 years. I was right. But then the consumption started to become exponentially every year.

Edited Sunday at 04:11 PM by OBEler

[Davino]

3 hours ago, OBEler said:

My tripping count is not linear, sometimes exponentially over a time period. Sometimes a break for month.thsts because I have right now too much commitment on other life aspects. That will settle down and then the serious work will begin.

Take all of that into account and do the predictions.

You'll have to throw the dice at some point and you can probably buy more if you fall short or buy so much that you can leave it to your offspring

[OBEler]

@Davino I know but jplease let me just need to orient on peoples consumption here to get an idea. I have many variables which I put into account and this is one important variable within 10 others.

How much do you consume in a year? 

200 mg?

1g ?

3g

10 g?

 

How does this change over years.

I am very well at calculating things, the more information I get the better my planning . I need just a reference so throw out the numbers plz or tell me about your consumption pattern.

I could probably buy more in Canada if it gets empty but I  just want Peace, knowing that I have a lifetime supply of one of the best substances in the world. And whatever happens in the world (war, ai , new government, new rules) doesn't affect my supply.I am deeply traumatized by searching 5 Meo for years and it was not available in the whole world. People here are too young to understand that one day products can be not available anymore. Especially to substances very few care about.

Edited Sunday at 08:46 PM by OBEler

[Xonas Pitfall]

@OBEler In all honesty, I would first ask the source you’re planning to get it from how much they think is safe to ship without any issues - especially those that could lead to major legal trouble. See if the price works for you, and if it does, go with that amount. That way, you won’t feel any nagging regret, and you’ll probably still end up with a huge supply. If you can get an unlimited amount, then just calculate 30 mg for every two weeks over 20 years - but be especially cautious with your dosing to avoid overdosing.

Total weeks in 20 years: 1040weeks

Number of two-week periods: 520two-week periods

Total milligrams: 15,600mg

Convert milligrams to grams: 15.6grams

If Leo suggests that 200+ breakthrough trips grant you profound insights into consciousness, then 200 trips at 30 mg each would amount to 6,000 mg, or 6 grams.

In that case, 20–30 grams range should be more than sufficient, especially since you seem to be someone who plans very far ahead.

Edited Sunday at 08:43 PM by Xonas Pitfall

[OBEler]

@Xonas Pitfall I think you missed my comment before, I don't plan to ship I will move to Canada. And of course I am not stupid and buy large amounts even if it is legal there.

Your calculations,do you speak from experience? Do you trip every two weeks on 5 Meo? Do you do this for years?

Edited Sunday at 08:45 PM by OBEler

[Xonas Pitfall]

@OBEler More than that is probably a good average, since the way I usually prefer it is having strong periods where I'm tripping for days or weeks in a row, but then also taking breaks for longer periods -- weeks or months. I don’t know if I could predict 20 years of MEO usage, to be honest, haha, since it heavily depends on what you focus on in life, how easily you get traumatized by it, how used to it you become, and possibly even more intense periods of spiritual pursuit. If you really just want to stock up and stop overthinking it, the 10g–30g range should be more than enough. Once you get it, you can start tracking yourself, as you'll be your own best database. From there, you can make approximations and calculations. This approach makes the most sense to me.

[OBEler]

@Xonas Pitfall thanks that sounds reasonable. Interesting that I had similar numbers in my mind.

@Leo Gura can you throw a number?

 

 

[Davino]

@OBEler If I was trying to get a lifetime supply I would calculate half a gram of 5meodmt and half a gram of Malt each year. That would be my average, although my consumption rate oscillates a lot as many other psychonauts have shared. Last year I consumed around 300mg in roughly 8 months but this year I've hardly even tripped. It really depends on the moment of your life but overall, I personally would count for a gram a year to be safe in my numbers. I know I am much more sensible than you (for me 20mg is a medium-high dose, you need much more for a normal trip if I remember correctly) so maybe double that to two grams a year just in case. This should be more than enough.

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

I  just want Peace, knowing that I have a lifetime supply of one of the best substances in the world. And whatever happens in the world (war, ai , new government, new rules) doesn't affect my supply. I am deeply traumatized by searching 5 Meo for years and it was not available in the whole world. People here are too young to understand that one day products can be not available anymore. Especially to substances very few care about.

I understand, it's also a concern of mine.

[M A J I]

10 hours ago, OBEler said:

 Thank you for your opinion but you should have some experience in this field to really contribute to this advanced question. 

I have plenty of experience, hence my comments, 15+ years now of shamanic practices and psychedelic therapies.

I am also not a new member, I was here long before you were. I seen the whole transformation of this site.

You can be stubborn, its your life.

[OBEler]

@M A J I @M A J I I appreciate your experience, but have you ever taken 5 Meo DMT? My guess is you are more like a ayahuasca ceremony goer. I don't want to dismiss that but that's not the full spectrum of psychedelics and therefore not enough experience. Also compared to 5 Meo, ayahuasca is not so clean and exhausting to the body. I can see that ayahuasca is not good for long term usage.

[M A J I]

7 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@M A J I @M A J I I appreciate your experience, but have you ever taken 5 Meo DMT? My guess is you are more like a ayahuasca ceremony goer. I don't want to dismiss that but that's not the full spectrum of psychedelics and therefore not enough experience. Also compared to 5 Meo, ayahuasca is not so clean and exhausting to the body. I can see that ayahuasca is not good for long term usage.

Yes, I am not new, I used to take them all as hardcore as Leo and Martin Ball, well maybe not as hardcore but up there, I experimented with almost  every drug known. Its not so much just the physical body that you should be concerned about, its the multiple other bodies that exist on subtle and higher dimensional levels that become distorted and affected by such powerful substances, especially by stronger end psychedelics and synthetically created counterparts. I have been closely paying attention to the energy, psychological and health patterns of people who especially abuse them, most of them who take it too far end up worse than they started.

We are not really meant to be messing with such substances, they are too powerful for most peoples nervous systems. Sometimes it can take years or even decades to re-stabilize back into our bodies in harmony. I only share this because I care for people and seen many friends almost completely destroy themselves and cannot keep in touch with reality anymore, always stuck in the non-dual realm.

I speak from experience. Be wise and use extreme caution with how you play around with these things.

[OBEler]

@M A J I Ok then appreciate your comment on this. Sorry that I was sceptical, so many forum members here do only one side (yoga or psychedelics) and these people should not judge the other side if they have little experience there.

In my experience not only psychedelics, every spiritual exercise have the power to distort your multidimensional body. I speak from experience, after astral projection I was often exhausted. My brain was feeling like a worm was eating brain substance inside.

Edited Monday at 12:56 PM by OBEler

[M A J I]

14 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@M A J I Ok then appreciate your comment on this. Sorry that I was sceptical, so many forum members here do only one side (yoga or psychedelics) and these people should not judge the other side if they have little experience there.

In my experience not only psychedelics, every spiritual exercise have the power to distort your multidimensional body. I speak from experience, after astral projection I was often exhausted. My brain was feeling like a worm was eating brain substance inside.

Yes I also agree with this, I've done multiple laps around the realms of spirituality with and without drugs.

[Davino]

7 hours ago, M A J I said:

We are not really meant to be messing with such substances, they are too powerful for most peoples nervous systems.

This is huge and hardly even mentioned.

At one point this became so obvious to me that I decided to do kundalini to train my nervous systems for psychedelic energetic floods.

Martial arts really build a foundation for trips, both biologically and psychologically.

Something to consider strongly, it was the biggest bottleneck for me and it can be for many others as well. Ironically, you ability to go high is affected by your ability to go wide and stable with your regular spiritual practices.

[M A J I]

41 minutes ago, Davino said:

This is huge and hardly even mentioned.

At one point this became so obvious to me that I decided to do kundalini to train my nervous systems for psychedelic energetic floods.

Martial arts really build a foundation for trips, both biologically and psychologically.

Something to consider strongly, it was the biggest bottleneck for me and it can be for many others as well. Ironically, you ability to go high is affected by your ability to go wide and stable with your regular spiritual practices.

The deeper the roots, the higher the shoots. Shallow roots will burn out, and may never be able grow shoots, to produce the fruits, of life.

This spiritual path is like to become a big strong tree, with roots that go to the heart of the earth itself, so you can be in union with the mind of god.

And only the biggest and strongest trees can handle a thunderstorm or a wild-fire. A tree will naturally and eventually produce fruit.