Lifetime supply of 5 meo

[OBEler]

Hello serious psychonauts,

Right now I plan a lifetime supply of malt (20-30 years range) for me.  What would you recommend, what is realistic ? I need 30 mg malt plugged for a decent trip. I want to hold the option in my life to go deep (alien mind etc). Can you advice me about how much g would be good? 

I know it's a difficult question because our consumption pattern might be different but I just need some reference to think about.

I know there are only a few on this forum to answer that question. I hope @Leo Gura as probably on of the most experienced one in terms of long-term usage can answer this question too.

Thanks 

 

[Jannes]

You might face reasons to increase or reduce your consumption in the future that you cant predict right now. 

- For example you could have physical or mental health problems in the future.

- A better substance could be found. 

- You may need more or less to get the insights you want to get. 

- Your interest in tripping may change. 

 

Why would you want to buy a lifetime supply right now when you could buy more in the future?

 

Edited November 7 by Jannes

[OBEler]

@Jannes 5 Meo malt is so rare I think I will not have access to it in some years.

And it was two years ago not accessible in the whole world.

Also you can assume that it will be harder in the future to access this substance.

 

I know tripping counts can fluctuate. I just want a somehow realistic estimation. I need somewhere to start.

Let's assume I stay healthy for 20 years ( I am in perfect health right now)

 

[Jannes]

5 minutes ago, OBEler said:

Also you can assume that it will be harder in the future to access this substance.

Why? 

[OBEler]

@Jannes I can have my own estination you don't need to believe me. because of changes in laws, technology and probably because people will not consume it Anymore so no production.its too rare.

5 Meo DMT is way more popular. Still it was hardly accessible also around 2016-2019 in the whole world.

 

 

Edited November 7 by OBEler

[Jannes]

44 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Jannes I can have my own estination you don't need to believe me. because of changes in laws, technology and probably because people will not consume it Anymore so no production.its too rare.

5 Meo DMT is way more popular. Still it was hardly accessible also around 2016-2019 in the whole world.

Okay I was just curious. Stocking up is probably clever then.

[numbersinarow]

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He is reminded of the fact that some people, somehow, have access to resources that the CIA can't find to get massively illegal drugs, to which they admit to on online forums, while not even using a VPN.

He puts a gun to his head and... then realizes, wait, that's not the only option.

[Thought Art]

I mean, knowing how much you need and how often you would do it per year isn't the math simple? Totally up to you.

[Schizophonia]

2 hours ago, OBEler said:

@Jannes I can have my own estination you don't need to believe me. because of changes in laws, technology and probably because people will not consume it Anymore so no production.its too rare.

5 Meo DMT is way more popular. Still it was hardly accessible also around 2016-2019 in the whole world.

 

 

It's available on any RC market, and it's cheap.

Edited November 7 by Schizophonia

[OBEler]

@Schizophonia all come from two laboratories right now (one in Canada and lizard labs). They produce right now good amounts, it's rarely out of stock. But who knows how it looks in 5 years. And Leo hyped it up. 

Edited November 7 by OBEler

[LambdaDelta]

You should be concerned with degradation. It can last a couple years, but beyond that it will almost surely start losing potency. Proper storage practice can extend that a good deal. No air (vacuum sealed), no sunlight, and freezed. For long term I put my chemicals in 2 layers of zipper bags, carefully squeezed to let the air out, placed in the freezer at -18°C. I've gotten MXE stored in a similar way since around 2013 and still active.

As for the amount, that will depend on the frequency of tripping. Assuming a trip every 2 weeks at 30mg, 10 grams will last you like 13 years. 

Edited November 8 by LambdaDelta

[OBEler]

@LambdaDelta the question is what's realistic in terms of tripping counts 

Is it possible to trip for 13 years every two weeks?  Will you do that? Only lpeoplr with long-term experience can tell.

@Leo Gura if you want to share please give a number

[Clarence]

It's a very difficult question. I think no one can really help you answer it. There are too many variables and things that can happen in your life.

Though, how often are you currently tripping right now? I think it's a good place to start. It's very likely that there will be periods where you will take breaks from tripping, or where you'll take breaks from MALT to use other psychedelics.

I think what's most important is to think from your own past experience rather than from someone else's. There is value in that, but whatever answer people give you, you are still unique and your tripping style and motivations are too. So how has your past experience been in terms of breaks, days of tripping a month/week, times of using MALT vs other psychedelics?

[OBEler]

@Clarence I know that. I just want to know how much other people here trip longterm on 5 Meo s and how much they needed. Just as a reference.

[M A J I]

It seems you will never grow with a lifetime supply of something. The point is to learn the lesson from a few occasions at most, then let go and live the realized experience. If you constantly going back for more, it only depletes the spirit and distorts consciousness further, never ending cycle.

Eventually you will get to a point where you realize its far more spiritual to live on the earth, meet a beautiful partner, create children, invest in some land, grow your own food, raise animals and live a fully rich life. You will realize this is far more spiritual and connected to God than any substance can take you, never actually landing on the earth and grounding your roots, rather constantly escaping from it stuck in a limbo-like life.

There is a good teacher on youtube called Maharishka, she is often helping those in Goa, India who abuse psychedelics a lot, bringing them back down to earth and not overstimulating their energy systems to the point where they can never truly be grounded on the earth again.

Somethings to consider.

 

[OBEler]

1 hour ago, M A J I said:

It seems you will never grow with a lifetime supply of something. The point is to learn the lesson from a few occasions at most, then let go and live the realized experience. If you constantly going back for more, it only depletes the spirit and distorts consciousness further, never ending cycle.

Eventually you will get to a point where you realize its far more spiritual to live on the earth, meet a beautiful partner, create children, invest in some land, grow your own food, raise animals and live a fully rich life. You will realize this is far more spiritual and connected to God than any substance can take you, never actually landing on the earth and grounding your roots, rather constantly escaping from it stuck in a limbo-like life.

There is a good teacher on youtube called Maharishka, she is often helping those in Goa, India who abuse psychedelics a lot, bringing them back down to earth and not overstimulating their energy systems to the point where they can never truly be grounded on the earth again.

Somethings to consider.

 

Are you speaking from experience or are you just throwing out the typical yoga phantasy about psychedelics?

[M A J I]

Just now, OBEler said:

Are you speaking from experience or are you just throwing out the typical yoga phantasy about psychedelics?

I'll let you figure that one out my friend, I am only here temporarily.

[Leo Gura]

@OBEler Be careful that you don't get yourself into legal trouble. If you purchase large quantities of chemicals you are taking very serious legal risk. Don't get greedy, sloppy, and stupid.

Edited Sunday at 11:43 AM by Leo Gura

[OBEler]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@OBEler Be careful that you don't get yourself into legal trouble. If you purchase large quantities of chemicals you are taking very serious legal risk. Don't get greedy, sloppy, and stupid.

Good reminder, but I am very careful and never ever order large quantities even if it's legal, always small amounts. And I do it the legal way because I plan to move to Canada and work there. Canada has great open policy about medicine.

Nevertheless some number would be good just to have an idea.

 

[OBEler]

4 hours ago, M A J I said:

I'll let you figure that one out my friend, I am only here temporarily.

 Thank you for your opinion but you should have some experience in this field to really contribute to this advanced question. 

Edited Sunday at 02:41 PM by OBEler