Democrats are losing young men?

[Scholar]

I found this on the Destiny reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1gljw0t/its_worth_pointing_out_that_a_30_point_shift/

 

One commenter posted this:

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I would also add that young men are being absolutely fucked in education and college education. It is hardly surprising that more college-educated people vote for Democrats, while "uneducated" ones vote for Republicans.

By the end of 2023, only 39% of men who completed high school are enrolled in college. Women make up 58% of all college students in 2020 ( pre-covid times, which fucked men disproportionally more ). Women are also much more likely to graduate college and get a degree than men. 31% of young men and 41% of young women have tertiary education. [ Also related, despite the copium, college educated women only want to date those with the same or better social-economic status, while men are willing to date anyone, so the pool of women who date men shrink --> fewer sex/dating ]

Young men are far, far more likely to still live with their parents than young women.

And Affirmative Action is still here and benefitting women much more than men.

Men are losing everywhere. In dating, in sex, in education, at work, at health ( suicide rates, drug rates, lifespan ) Democrats don't even talk about the issue at all. Instead they make it worse, all these Harris ads I've seen were very dehumanizing to men. All men get is the privilige to vote ( and save ) women... Yeah that's not the message you want to send out to them at this time. "Man up", "Real men do this xx/don't do xx )...

Also single-parent households are fucking over men hard. Boys suffer extremely hard from the absence of fathers, while girls can cope far more easily if one parent doesn't exist.

Also 75% of teachers are women who do discriminate against men. Boys are twice as likely to be suspended for the same infractions as girls. Reading material and disciplinary actions are also biased infavor of girls. Also no male role model in education either. Boys are fucked anyway, because they do mature slower and in terms of impulse control lack behind girls, so when an 18-year old boy enters college he is on the same development as a 16-17 girl, which naturally makes it a lot harder for boys to succeed in college ( and then all systemic help gives women even more of an advantage in college, so it is only obvious that women outperform men in colleges and degrees by a large and ever-growing margin. There is zero support for men in medical and law schools ).

Women are performing better every day and in some areas heavily out-earn men already. This is hardly present in statistics, because they usually make a grand comparison between "all men" and "all women", but if you account for age, younger women are absolutely destroying younger men in almost all metrics. ( and thats a good thing, according to many progressives.. The future is female and all that. ). Young women without a college degree have rising incomes, while young men without college degree have falling incomes.

I can absolutely see why so many men are absolutely disillusioned with Democrats. What a stupid out of touch messaging. Not surprising Trump has gained +5 points with the 18-29 crowd while Harris lost 6.

 

 

[What Am I]

Could be the rebelliousness of youth. Back 10-20+ years ago, kids were rebelling in the opposite direction against the stodgy right. But if the left is seen as the new arbiter of culture, then young people may feel a natural pull to reject "the man."

[Buck Edwards]

I wonder how much of this is actually true or just fantasy laden thoughts and projections. 

[zazen]

The disillusionment of the youth towards the system has two responses. The far left want to deconstruct the construct that failed them, to create a utopian one, the far right want to re-construct a romanticised past they believe will meet their aspirations.

Reactionary subcultures that come up trying to change the dominant culture that failed them become toxic as they throw out the good along with the bad. The far left discard the good of the past, the far right the good of any progress. Nihilism, resentment and rebellion against those that told them to expect beauty, where they found ugliness results in limbically hijacking them.

Tired and enraged at the world, people will cope by becoming mental refugees seeking refuge from their mind, rather than an evolution of it. To cope with a complex world, people will stop trying to think through its complexity. Far right conservatives do this when they revert to the past and tradition as a shortcut to thinking, as do the far left liberals when they use freedom to free themselves of thinking of the consequences of any of their actions.

Both are too spent and lack the balanced state needed to create a new but balanced world. As the pace of change accelerates, people will seek that which never changes as a sanctuary amongst the whirlpool of complexity and change the modern world subjects them to - tradition and religion. The concern is that people use sanctuaries to sanction themselves from their own evolution. An exhausted mind and soul in a dazed world, seeks relief from the mind and soul rather than holy revolution of it.

The far lefts fire of rage burns any tradition to its ashes, including the wisdom that lit and established those traditions. The far right hold onto the ashes of tradition and religion without the fire of understanding that lit and established them. The inverse of the slippery slope of freedom the far left love, is the slippery slope of prohibition and control by the far right. Excess of which leads to rigidity, repression, resentment and rebellion, making it less robust as it’s a system that needs to be enforced rather than encouraged. The pendulum swings left to right and doing so in each direction as it gathers momentum to swing the other way.

 

[What Am I]

1 minute ago, zazen said:

The disillusionment of the youth towards the system has two responses. The far left want to deconstruct the construct that failed them, to create a utopian one, the far right want to re-construct a romanticised past they believe will meet their aspirations.

Sure, but those are the radical representatives of the poles. I'm sure there's relatively a ton more kids who are just ordinary people.

[zazen]

22 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Sure, but those are the radical representatives of the poles. I'm sure there's relatively a ton more kids who are just ordinary people.

Yea, that's why I wrote far left and far right.

That's a great video above btw, I highly recommend the forum check it out to get a better understanding of what just happened vis a vis the election result.

[What Am I]

28 minutes ago, zazen said:

Yea, that's why I wrote far left and far right.

That's a great video above btw, I highly recommend the forum check it out to get a better understanding of what just happened vis a vis the election result.

But what's your explanation for the voting habits from the youth who aren't radicalized?

[Aramara]

1 hour ago, What Am I said:

Could be the rebelliousness of youth. Back 10-20+ years ago, kids were rebelling in the opposite direction against the stodgy right. But if the left is seen as the new arbiter of culture, then young people may feel a natural pull to reject "the man."

Embracing Christianity / Christian values and rejecting the conformity of LGBTQ+ has become the new punk rock counter culture of today's youth.

Very surreal to witness

[What Am I]

1 minute ago, Aramara said:

Embracing Christianity / Christian values and rejecting the conformity of LGBTQ+ has become the new punk rock counter culture of today's youth.

Very surreal to witness

Yes, very strange indeed. Quite a flip.

But sir, are you not aware that Kamala just had a brat summer?

It's all so manufactured. The left did it to themselves, really. Young people are especially repelled by inauthenticity.

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, What Am I said:

Could be the rebelliousness of youth. Back 10-20+ years ago, kids were rebelling in the opposite direction against the stodgy right. But if the left is seen as the new arbiter of culture, then young people may feel a natural pull to reject "the man."

Probably a factor. Many people are seemingly a bit tired of this moral authority shaming kind of thing too.

[Lyubov]

I’ve been saying this here the entire election cycle. The party has a huge issue with being entirely unappealing to young men. This is the same political force that downplays masculinity, tries to make men more effeminate but claims it’s called being compassionate, actively works against traditional values which many men value. I actively feel alienated and unwelcome by my own party. Not everything has to be about diversity. Green has gone too far on the messaging and culture side of things. I really think a lot of it comes down to lgbtq, feminism and the gender stuff. The party decided to run with radical inclusivity takes on this stuff instead of finding a message that suits everyone. This is why 15 million people including me sat out. 

Edited November 7 by Lyubov

[Consept]

Scott Galloway talks in some depth about this on this podcast -

 

[Aramara]

3 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Yes, very strange indeed. Quite a flip.

But sir, are you not aware that Kamala just had a brat summer?

It's all so manufactured. The left did it to themselves, really. Young people are especially repelled by inauthenticity.

Absolutely. What I hope to see is that the 2010 naive utopian leftism that's been sprawling in universities finally collapses, similair to the hippie movement in 1960 - 1970. Only then we get to see true Democrats that can intellectually progress our society values. Or at the very least compete against the right to create a healthy discourse. This extreme focus on gender, sexuality, race, credentials has led the democrat party into an absolute gutter and complete alienation of the working class (especially young men).

[Consept]

I would say though I'm a fairly masculine man but and so I find myself in discussions with other guys, friends or otherwise where even if they dont outright support Trump theyll say a lot of stuff that I would say is kinda anti-left, anti-progressive, its pretty frequent actually. I dont mind holding my position and i think i argue it well, without getting emotional or anything like that. But I can imagine that within a group of guys lets say they all think anti-left it would be very hard for one of them to stand up and counter that and seperate themselves from the group. I actually think this is a big factor because a lot of the times in groups of guys, especially young guys they tend to think in the same way, moreso out of fear of being outcast from the group. 

[Etherial Cat]

Men are before anything else exploited by other men. 

Yet rather than recognizing this reality, many choose to align themselves with wealthier men. In doing so, they inadvertently contribute to the suppression of women's empowerment and their ability to achieve emancipation as this feel like a further erosion of power and privileges.

So they double down on masculinity, try to blame feminism just like they blame their own innate feminine qualities and we end up with facist government all over the place.

The fact that so many men on this forum are ranting about how gender politics and minority rights is not important just prove further that they are themselves privileged enough to dismiss it as BS, when Gender studies are a very legit and well documented part of political sciences.

But of course, to them this post is going to be read as inflammatory and nonsense. Because they won't take responsibility for their fragmented psyche and understand that this is exactly the manifestation of sexism. Sexism is largely an unconscious process.

There is nothing wrong with masculinity though. Masculinity is wonderful. Just not when it is wounded and falls into the pit of its shadow expression.

[Alex4]

2 hours ago, Scholar said:

I found this on the Destiny reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1gljw0t/its_worth_pointing_out_that_a_30_point_shift/

 

One commenter posted this:

 

There’s some truth to that. I’m convinced many young men who are alone would moderate their political views if they found a woman who loved them.

[Scholar]

37 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Probably a factor. Many people are seemingly a bit tired of this moral authority shaming kind of thing too.

No they are not. If you talk to these people, they will morally shame and appeal to authority as much as any other person, they just apply it differently.

[Alex4]

1 minute ago, Etherial Cat said:

Men are before anything else exploited by other men. 

Yet rather than recognizing this reality, many choose to align themselves with wealthier men. In doing so, they inadvertently contribute to the suppression of women's empowerment and their ability to achieve emancipation as this feel like a further erosion of power and privileges.

So they double down on masculinity, try to blame feminism just like they blame their own innate feminine qualities and we end up with facist government all over the place.

The fact that so many men on this forum are ranting about how gender politics and minority rights is not important just prove further that they are themselves privileged enough to dismiss it as BS, when Gender studies are a very legit and well documented part of political sciences.

But of course, to them this post is going to be read as inflammatory and nonsense. Because they won't take responsibility for their fragmented psyche and understand that this is exactly the manifestation of sexism. Sexism is largely an unconscious process.

There is nothing wrong with masculinity though. Masculinity is wonderful. Just not when it is wounded and falls into the pit of its shadow expression.

Interesting.

 

3 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

 when Gender studies are a very legit and well documented part of political sciences.
 

what good book would you recommend about this topic?

[Consept]

1 minute ago, Etherial Cat said:

Men are before anything else exploited by other men. 

Yet rather than recognizing this reality, many choose to align themselves with wealthier men. In doing so, they inadvertently contribute to the suppression of women's empowerment and their ability to achieve emancipation as this feel like a further erosion of power and privileges.

So they double down on masculinity, try to blame feminism just like they blame their own innate feminine qualities and we end up with facist government all over the place.

The fact that so many men on this forum are ranting about how gender politics and minority rights is not important just prove further that they are themselves privileged enough to dismiss it as BS, when Gender studies are a very legit and well documented part of political sciences.

But of course, to them this post is going to be read as inflammatory and nonsense. Because they won't take responsibility for their fragmented psyche and understand that this is exactly the manifestation of sexism. Sexism is largely an unconscious process.

There is nothing wrong with masculinity though. Masculinity is wonderful. Just not when it is wounded and falls into the pit of its shadow expression.

The problem boys and men face is that theyre told from young they have to be 'men', if theyre not men theyll be disrespected, they wont get female attention etc. But also theyre not told how to be men in a healthy way, theres a lot of dads not being around or if they are around not being a positive influence. So when these boys get into the world they extremely easy to manipulate and corrupt, all you have to do is present them with some kind of macho masculinity and acceptance and its a wrap. 

But however the survive this psyche, deep down they truly believe they arent shit, thet dont want to face this and so its easier to scapegoat and blame others. I do think this issue is societies failing, men have been left behind for the most part. On the flip even if a boy grew up and embraced his feminine side, most likely he would demonise his masculine and supress that which is also not healthy, men are rarely encouraged to just be themselves, probably the only ones that are, are gay boys if they grow up in an accepting environment. 

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Scholar said:

No they are not. If you talk to these people, they will morally shame and appeal to authority as much as any other person, they just apply it differently.

Ok sorry you’re right and I’m wrong.