Leo, how can Dems ever regain power if right-wing propaganda remains too dominant?!

[Hardkill]

1 minute ago, Raze said:

You need to tone the rhetoric down. Trump is inheriting a giant security state that has ability to spy on and track Americans thanks to Obama expanding the NSA and a massive propaganda apparatus that may be able to defame and cancel anyone thanks to democrats empowering the FBI to interfere with civil speech and cancel culture. If worst comes to worst and we have civil strife this and be used against you if they start targeting dissidents, either in blacklisting you from bank accounts and jobs or even potential jail time. 

Let's see what Leo thinks about this.

[Yimpa]

17 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Let's see what Leo thinks about this.

Take a break from political nonsense, buddy.

[UnbornTao]

@Hardkill Please edit your post with the excessive use of caps if you don't mind, and don't promote more highly dysfunctional behavior.

[Hardkill]

10 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@Hardkill Please edit your post with the excessive use of caps if you don't mind, and don't promote more highly dysfunctional behavior.

Okay, I believe I fixed that issue.

Sorry, I am really scared about the future and I don't see why we should just sit idly by and do nothing while MAGA tears our country apart and we head towards an economic depression.

[UnbornTao]

1 minute ago, Hardkill said:

Okay, I believe I fixed that issue.

Sorry, I am really scared about the future and I don't see why we should just sit idly by and do nothing while MAGA tears our country apart and we head towards an economic depression.

Don't despair, we have churros. 

[Hardkill]

3 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Don't despair, we have churros. 

Yeah, and those churros will probably be stolen by MAGA and the wealthy. 

Even Leo has implied that they are going to steal most of the country like what happened during the Gilded Ages.

[UnbornTao]

32 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Yeah, and those churros will probably be stolen by MAGA and the wealthy. 

Even Leo has implied that they are going to steal most of the country like what happened during the Gilded Ages.

Okay

 

 

Edited Friday at 12:22 AM by UnbornTao

[Bobby_2021]

3 hours ago, Raze said:

You need to tone the rhetoric down. Trump is inheriting a giant security state that has ability to spy on and track Americans thanks to Obama expanding the NSA and a massive propaganda apparatus that may be able to defame and cancel anyone thanks to democrats empowering the FBI to interfere with civil speech and cancel culture. If worst comes to worst and we have civil strife what you say can be used against you if they start targeting dissidents, either in blacklisting you from bank accounts and jobs or even potential jail time. 

Dems acting like they are angels is the biggest joke of all. They need to be reminded that they are merely being slightly less shitty than the orange man. 

[Bobby_2021]

3 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Let's see what Leo thinks about this.

Leo will justify the establishment/mainstream notions no matter what. That is his stance on virtually all the issues.

 

[Sea]

Assuming they don't become a dictatorship, it's impossible for one party to maintain power forever. 

Trump's victories hinged on him being seen as an outsider candidate, as an "underdog" who was going to take on the establishment. If MAGA republicans stay in power for a significant length of time they will be seen as the establishment (no matter what propaganda they use). Framing themselves as outsiders will be impossible.

Also, recessions and times of hardships are inevitable. Whichever party is in power at the time of a recession will be blamed for it, and people will be inclined to give the other party a chance.

[Hardkill]

3 hours ago, Sea said:

Assuming they don't become a dictatorship, it's impossible for one party to maintain power forever. 

Trump's victories hinged on him being seen as an outsider candidate, as an "underdog" who was going to take on the establishment. If MAGA republicans stay in power for a significant length of time they will be seen as the establishment (no matter what propaganda they use). Framing themselves as outsiders will be impossible.

Also, recessions and times of hardships are inevitable. Whichever party is in power at the time of a recession will be blamed for it, and people will be inclined to give the other party a chance.

Yeah, but what if enough right-wing propaganda out there can override all of that to secure right-wing tyranny permanently no matter what happens under the watch of Trump or Trumpism?

[Sea]

1 hour ago, Hardkill said:

Yeah, but what if enough right-wing propaganda out there can override all of that to secure right-wing tyranny permanently no matter what happens under the watch of Trump or Trumpism?

My point is that human psychology doesn't work that way. People get tired of bullshit eventually. Every fascist and communist state needed a secret police, propaganda alone was not enough.

[zazen]

For Democrats their weak point isn’t in distribution, it’s in the product - in what’s being sold. Democrats control nearly every mainstream channel from cable networks to the press. Hollywood, academia, corporate media etc.

The inconvenient truth is that everyone hears what Dems have to say, they’re just not buying it. 

Dems and the liberal establishment pour millions into propaganda and crafted narratives and people see through it. The message simply doesn’t resonate.

They’ve become so detached from the lives of ordinary people, busy in virtue signaling - that the working class and backbone of America are tuning them out. Their so inclusive that they exclude one of the biggest demographics out there, which means they are now excluded from running the country.

 

Liberals haven’t noticed that an inversion has taken place in terms of where the bad actors and imperial core is being run from, behind and beside - and that’s the Democratic Party for the most part. You had the Cheneys backing and campaigning along side Kamala! If they realised this they wouldn’t be in such a melt down and perhaps maybe even consider that malignant forces are being challenged and possibly defeated - if Trump and his team can even do such a thing.

The Establishment ie The Democrats love wars, but not the warriors it sends out.

Edited Friday at 12:03 PM by zazen

[zazen]

21 hours ago, Aramara said:

This tweet (by a Democrat strategist) is a perfect encapsulation of the mistakes the left keep making over and over:

• obsession with racial identity
• obession with gender identity
• obsession with elitist credential
• zero self-reflection or humility

The world needs a sane and intelligent left to act as a counter-balance to the excesses of the right (and vice versa). I hope they finally take stock, drop the divisive identity politics virtue signalling BS and actually return to their core higher values of social cohesion and kindness. 

I also expect the 2010s naive utopian leftism to decline in popularity similair like the 1960s-1970s hippie movement collapsed in past. The left won’t disappear of course, rather it will be much more matured and grounded, opposed what we have seen with SJWs in 2010s and echo-chambers of early 2020s.

I’m seeing Democrat women saying they’re not gonna sleep with men ie a sex strike due to the election. This only exacerbates the problem.

This tweet dives into why the Democrats are in a bit of a pickle:

”The democrats have been so successful in teaching their base to hate young men that now, if any one of them smarts up and starts even asking how to appeal to them, trained man-haters will quickly step up and bark about how men are horrible, masculinity is horrible, anything young men like is horrible, employing their Pavlovian collection of snarl words for the purpose. 

They hate young men more than they love their platform. They hate young men more than they want to win. They hate young men more than they love anything else in the world, including themselves. 

Democrats can't pivot. They can't. Because their base won't let them. 

Since a woman will almost always vote for whoever her man votes for, the democrats have nailed their destiny to the political clout of single women who hate men. 

Well, newsflash, single women who hate men tend to have abortions instead of kids. 

So where are the future generations of democrats supposed to come from? 

The third world?  Nice try, but you can't import them unless you win elections in the meantime. 

Their tactics worked so well for a short period of time because their political base was frothing with hateful energy while the men were still half asleep. But now that their opposition is waking the fuck up, they have nowhere to expand their appeal to. 

This is why I recommend to my fellow right-libertarians and conservatives... never interrupt your enemy while they/them are making a mistake. 

Goad them. 

I'm sure you can think of lots of fun ways to do that.”

 

The right will out-demograph, out-birth and out-grow the left. Demographics, is destiny.

Edited Friday at 12:20 PM by zazen

[BlueOak]

@zazen

It's extremely rare in my experience that children vote the same way as their parents, just because their parents do. If anything I've experienced a rebellious opposite throughout my lifetime.

Of much more import is whatever way the wind is blowing. People vote for whoever isn't in power in hard times, and bonus, someone hating everyone else because they feel bad themselves, and that shared hatred makes them feel better to find someone to blame (or shoot).

All you need to do is shout Change in American or UK politics a lot when times are rough. The corporations take care of the rest by putting in the two candidates they like most. When you don't shout change as Kamala failed to do, her messaging was status quo and others trying to convince people times are not that hard. They are the hardest in the UK in my lifetime, which is why the right is out of power here and labor is in, because the right were in power when times got hard.

The conservatives are starting to shout Change now, but its a bit early IMHO for them.

Edited Friday at 03:19 PM by BlueOak