Any Drugs for Sleep?

[Princess Arabia]

9 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

They are not reliable.

Not reliable to put you under a drugged up state maybe. You say that from ignorance. Not in a bad sense, but from not knowing and the power they have. How come I don't have sleep issues, matter of fact very minimum health issues overall. It's because I've trained the body to heal itself by using things that it was designed to recognize. It's OK though because both our programmings are different and you will have to train yourself to have a belief that mother nature is medicinal.

[Nilsi]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

It feels like i'm teleporting to the next day

Phenibut, lots of coffee, and hard work are the ultimate cheat-code – it feels like you just blink, and suddenly a couple of months have passed, and your bank account is full.

[Schizophonia]

7 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

Phenibut, lots of coffee, and hard work are the ultimate cheat-code – it feels like you just blink, and suddenly a couple of months have passed, and your bank account is full.

Ahahah.

Why the phenibut ? Just for sleep ?

I like coffee but i don’t want anything who would reduce sleep quality.

[PurpleTree]

32 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

 How come I don't have sleep issues, matter of fact very minimum health issues overall. 

Many people don’t have sleep issues and sone people do, if you never had them then you have no clue about it aka ignorance.

For me i had sleep issues since a kid, and now working in nursing sometimes need sleep medication when the shifts change etc.

[Nilsi]

33 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Ahahah.

Why the phenibut ? Just for sleep ?

I like coffee but i don’t want anything who would reduce sleep quality.

I take my Phenibut first thing in the morning to get into flow from the moment I leave the house until I’m back in the evening. I used to overdo it to the point of experiencing mild withdrawal symptoms on weekends. Now, 500mg, five days on and two days off, is my sweet spot. I wouldn’t use it for longer than a couple of crucial months though (like Q4 when performance is key).

Phenibut can improve your sleep even if you take it early in the day. Add melatonin 30 minutes before bed, and you’ll sleep like a baby.

If you stop drinking coffee 10 hours before bed, you should be fine. I’ve actually started substituting much of my coffee intake with yerba mate and Schmachtenberger’s Qualia energy shots, which are based on green tea leaf extract - they don’t make me as jittery and don’t interfere with sleep as much as loads of coffee tends to do.

Edited November 9 by Nilsi

[Princess Arabia]

25 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

, if you never had them then you have no clue about it aka ignorance.

This is not true. Doctors are not going around treating patients because they have personally had those issues. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to envision what it's like to have sleep issues. Not only that, one can have enough knowledge on the biological nature of sleep, what causes sleep deprivation or inconsistent sleeping habits or just overall sleeping problems to be able to conjure up an intelligent thesis on what sleep issues entail. IOW, one doesn't have to have experienced sleep issues to know about it.

Edited November 9 by Princess Arabia

[Yimpa]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Doctors are not going around treating patients because they have personally had those issues.

Be mindful of your assumptions and generalizations.

Not all doctors are corrupt. 

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

This is not true. Doctors are not going around treating patients because they have personally had those issues. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to envision what it's like to have sleep issues. Not only that, one can have enough knowledge on the biological nature of sleep, what causes sleep deprivation or inconsistent sleeping habits or just overall sleeping problems to be able to conjure up an intelligent thesis on what sleep issues entail. IOW, one doesn't have to have experienced sleep issues to know about it.

Yea well seemingly you don’t really know what it’s like when you just can’t get to sleep and have to get up early. And then maybe you get one hour of sleep and have to function the next day. And then someone says try lavender oil or camomile tea just makes you laugh (or 😡 ) Sometimes you need something reliable. Thank god for big pharma sleeping aids.

[Thought Art]

@BlueOak I would avoid sleeping medications as they affect your ability to benefit from sleep. I would find ways to block out noise, and look into sleeping herbs and habits. Avoid caffeine after lunch. 
 

See if communicating with those around you can how limit the noise. 

Edited November 11 by Thought Art

[Schizophonia]

12 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@BlueOak I would avoid sleeping medications as they affect your ability to benefit from sleep.

In my case they also sometimes triggered terrible nightmare. 

 

[Thought Art]

@Schizophonia They can be very dangerous.

[Princess Arabia]

On 11/9/2024 at 2:37 PM, PurpleTree said:

. Thank god for big pharma sleeping aids.

Which probably has lavender oil tucked way down inside as the main property that is doing the work but now with big pharma you have the toxic resellable poison along with it to keep you coming back for more and more when the insomnia really kicks in or the headaches or the inflamed liver. Do you think I'm recommending lavender oil because it's just some wishy washy nice smelling herb that grows along the wayside and can make your garden pretty. No, I've used it and so has a lot of other people who aren't into toxins. It works for sleep and it works fast. Mayve not for everyone but it's still an option to try. You're only operating from a specific paradigm that society has brainwashed you with and why people are constantly ill with all sorts of neurological illnesses and hormonal imbalances that they have no clue they have and now they think they're depressed and have suicidal thoughts. I'm through with this conversation because I promised myself I will not try to show the power of nature anymore to those who don't care about it. Oh and i forgot to mention nightmares.

Edited November 11 by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

On 11/9/2024 at 2:32 PM, Yimpa said:

Be mindful of your assumptions and generalizations.

Not all doctors are corrupt. 

Nothing in my statement suggested that doctors were corrupt. I was merely pointing out that one doesn't have to experience an illness to be able to recommend treatment or a cure if they have the knowledge and know how. That's what doctors do, was my point. There was no assumption nor generalization there. Doctors aren't going around treating people for illnesses because they themselves have had them. Please read and understand the context for which I made the comment. 

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

 No, I've used it and so has a lot of other people who aren't into toxins. It works for sleep and it works fast. Mayve not for everyone but it's still an option to try. You're only operating from a specific paradigm that society has brainwashed you 

You‘re making assumptions here. I tried all that stuff lavender oil, valerian, tryptophane, melatonin, zinc, magnesium etc.

[Princess Arabia]

15 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

You‘re making assumptions here. I tried all that stuff lavender oil, valerian, tryptophane, melatonin, zinc, magnesium etc.

I said maybe not for everyone. Did you miss that part. Also I mentioned none of the other things that can have added poisons to them in the form of a pill. Lavender essential oil is not a pill. It just has to be chosen from a reputable source. How can one sell melatonin in a bottle. That's like selling an orgasm in the form of a pill. They will bottle and sell shit to those who don't know any better just to make a buck.

Edited November 11 by Princess Arabia

[MarkKol]

On 09/11/2024 at 5:57 PM, Schizophonia said:

It feels like i'm teleporting to the next day, it also suppress my libido and mental flux.  

Weird, Phenibut actually enhances my libido by a ton and seems to affect my vascularity as well.

By far the best drug for sleep (phenibut)

Although it seems like it has some nasty withdrawal effects and is addictive for some, I certainly couldn't tell you, I did cocaine for 1 month and came off it like I never did it, with some long-lasting nasal damage that is hopefully coming to an end this month.

Never combine it with alcohol, it has similar effects, It's just that alcohol hits in 5-10 minutes and phenibut in 2-4 hours so you end up being extra drunk after even if you stop drinking.

Instead of society brainwashing you, wash your brain with LAVANDER OIL!!!  

Edited November 11 by MarkKol

[sholomar]

THC works well. Going to bed at around the same time each day works well. Earplugs work well. I work all nights, wear earplugs, go to bed between 4-7AM every day, and sleep like a baby. If this is something you can't force yourself to do, wear earplugs, then accept the fact you will hear noises potentially, especially during the day.  25 MG of Delta 9 in edible form before bed works very well, but admittedly using drugs as a crutch isn't the best idea long term, but as far as drugs go THC is about as harmless as they come.

If you do want to try earplugs, these are the most comfortable ones I have come across...

https://www.amazon.com/3M-Earplugs-Hearing-Conservation-311-1250/dp/B008MCULZW

Even without earplugs I'm blessed with quiet, considerate neighbors. If you are renting with inconsiderate neighbors, consider moving units. Life is not worth dealing with loud, inconsiderate neighbors. Part of the struggles of living with higher populations with more people renting is the construction quality of the units combined with people enjoying dog ownership often leads to excessive noise and lack of privacy.

Mental attitude also matters. If I can't sleep I don't ruminate over it, I use the time to practice mindful meditation and count it as sleep. If you struggle "trying" to fall asleep you will just make yourself miserable. Any time you struggle against "what is" will create unnecessary suffering in your life, like the people here have done since Trump won, as an example. However, my ability to do this still has limits. If I had insufferable neighbors, I would have to move.

Back when I had more severe general anxiety disorder, I had insomnia. It was a sympathetic dominant nervous system. As my parasympathetic, ventral vagal response increases gradually, my sleep has returned. Going to bed at the same time every day is a healthy habit to have, or waking up at the same time, but it's the mental attitude while awake that has made the most difference. Acceptance of what is, peace of mind, willingness to roll with the punches, mindful observation of emotions instead of letting them hijack my responses, manning up and being less of a man-child with a victim mindset... the transformation has been remarkable.

Edited November 11 by sholomar

[Princess Arabia]

30 minutes ago, MarkKol said:

Instead of society brainwashing you, wash your brain with LAVANDER OIL!!! 

Making fun of my lavender oil suggestion, are we. Lol. It's all fine and dandy now when you're young and the body hasn't accumulated all those toxins from medications and fake pills yet. You see how people on just here alone have symptoms of all kinds, including yourself from your comments, already, you ain't seen nothing yet. Keep laughing. Hehe

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

Nothing in my statement suggested that doctors were corrupt. I was merely pointing out that one doesn't have to experience an illness to be able to recommend treatment or a cure if they have the knowledge and know how. That's what doctors do, was my point. There was no assumption nor generalization there. Doctors aren't going around treating people for illnesses because they themselves have had them. Please read and understand the context for which I made the comment. 

Let’s remove the label “doctor” then and use the word “provider”. In this new context, I’ve found that the best providers are actually the ones who have had direct experience on what it is they are treating. In other words, beyond group-think and hearsay. 

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Yimpa said:

Let’s remove the label “doctor” then and use the word “provider”. In this new context, I’ve found that the best providers are actually the ones who have had direct experience on what it is they are treating. In other words, beyond group-think and hearsay. 

Direct experience as in knowledge, study, practice and information, not having the illnesses themselves; that's what I'm referring to. I.e. a doctor can treat or cure a flu (just an example), without having had the flu himself.