Solipsism and Non-Solipsism existing at the same time.

[Schizophonia]

On 07/11/2024 at 6:53 PM, caspex said:

 

lol

[Arthogaan]

37 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

And what are sense perceptions?

Just THIS thissing and appearing out of nowhere and dancing.

[Carl-Richard]

12 minutes ago, Arthogaan said:

Just THIS thissing and appearing out of nowhere and dancing.

Not only in psychology and neuroscience but also many wisdom traditions, sense perceptions are quite specific happenings, a bit like thoughts — you can call them "proto-thoughts" in that they are the precursors of thought and similarly limited packets of illusory appearances; form, illusion, Maya. They are something quite more than just "this".

Edited Monday at 09:27 PM by Carl-Richard

[JoshB]

On 11/7/2024 at 10:53 AM, caspex said:

 

This is one of best posts I've ever seen.

[Arthogaan]

19 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Not only in psychology and neuroscience but also many wisdom traditions, sense perceptions are quite specific happenings, a bit like thoughts — you can call them "proto-thoughts" in that they are the precursors of thought and similarly limited packets of illusory appearances; form, illusion, Maya. They are something quite more than just "this".

But that is the actual non-dual experience. Everything is one undiferentiated soup - and then you can mentally compartmentalize into thoughts, perceptions, visions, hearings, whatever.

[Carl-Richard]

7 hours ago, Arthogaan said:

But that is the actual non-dual experience. Everything is one undiferentiated soup - and then you can mentally compartmentalize into thoughts, perceptions, visions, hearings, whatever.

True, and solipsism arises as a concept only after you differentiate the soup. It's not what the soup is as a whole. And it's not equal to the concept of the soup either. Solipsism is quite specifically something else, in the same league as materialism.

Edited yesterday at 12:50 AM by Carl-Richard

[Arthogaan]

22 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

True, and solipsism arises as a concept only after you differentiate the soup. It's not what the soup is as a whole. And it's not equal to the concept of the soup either. Solipsism is quite specifically something else, in the same league as materialism.

But what Absolute Solipsism by Leo points to IMO is that there is only one Soup happening at any time. 

[Carl-Richard]

26 minutes ago, Arthogaan said:

But what Absolute Solipsism by Leo points to IMO is that there is only one Soup happening at any time. 

What's time?

[Arthogaan]

22 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

What's time?

Yeah, I know it's constructed - but in THIS ETERNAL NOW there is only THIS THIS. Nothing else here.