Letting go of fear

[Schizophonia]

11 hours ago, Yimpa said:

You are Sadhguru.

You are Trump

Edited November 8 by Schizophonia

[Da77en]

20 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Da77en Reality is like a science experiment that gained sentience and looked at itself.

Exactly. It’s so profound it’s insane.

@James123 I’m gonna keep taking action in the direction of getting at least the understanding of fear being taught in our education systems by getting in contact with government officials, Donald Trump might be challenging to reach but it’s worth it. Gotta make the purpose intense enough so that nothing can prevent it from coming to fruition.

It would probably be much easier if it was getting in touch with Kamala Harris instead.

If any of you have any ideas on how to make this happen, post them here.

Edited November 8 by Da77en

[James123]

36 minutes ago, Da77en said:

If any of you have any ideas on how to make this happen, post them here

Personal desires and Truth is completely two opposite sides. Giving up the person, and loosing everything as a person makes one much closer to Truth. 

When You lose everything You are free to do anything. Fight Club.

[Da77en]

2 hours ago, James123 said:

Personal desires and Truth is completely two opposite sides. Giving up the person, and loosing everything as a person makes one much closer to Truth. 

When You lose everything You are free to do anything. Fight Club.

Many of these actions such as letting go of fear, spiritual practices, political engagement aren’t necessarily stemming from an egoic desire as much as a recognition that they eventually need to be done if one wants to significantly evolve. The actions themselves put you into the right state of being to become more aware of what changes need to happen in order to provide for the highest well-being of each individual and the collective.

I however do agree that these things need to be done in a way that isn’t stemming from fear, egotism, arrogance, etc.

Edited November 8 by Da77en

[James123]

11 minutes ago, Da77en said:

Many of these actions such as letting go of fear, spiritual practices, political engagement aren’t necessarily stemming from an egoic desire as much as a recognition that they eventually need to be done if one wants to significantly evolve. The actions themselves put you into the right state of being to become more aware of what changes need to happen in order to provide for the highest well-being of each individual and the collective.

The main understanding is any personal desires creates fear or suffering. Such as survival. İf you want to be alive that's personal desire and you will fear from death. Therefore, transcending the survival need will help you to surrender the fear of death. 

[Da77en]

On 11/8/2024 at 9:13 AM, James123 said:

The main understanding is any personal desires creates fear or suffering. Such as survival. İf you want to be alive that's personal desire and you will fear from death. Therefore, transcending the survival need will help you to surrender the fear of death. 

I mostly agree with you, if you are attached to certain outcomes then your desire can start devolving into being fear based. The distinction I make is that you can neutrally prefer something without insisting that it has to come to fruition. If something is simply a preference it won’t inherently generate any fear as long as you aren’t creating attachments, insistences, etc.

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, Da77en said:

I mostly agree with you, if you are attached to certain outcomes then your desire can start devolving into being fear based. The distinction I make is that you can neutrally prefer something without insisting that it has to come to fruition. If something is simply a preference it won’t inherently generate any fear as long as you aren’t creating attachments, insistences, etc.

This works mostly only if You've already established Your own Peace/Bliss within that is a natural everyday occurrence, if that is not already established then most will want specific outcomes and identify with it, and suffer it if things don't work out that way..

[Da77en]

Desire is often looked at in certain spiritual contexts as being something that needs to be let go of. Many people aren’t conscious enough to know the kinds of things they actually need and thus their desire serves to perpetuate their limited identities by allocating their actions to doing things that don’t actually serve them.
Misinformed desires have led humanity to immense suffering, leading to things like greed, selfishness, exploitation, corruption, etc.

If you had no desire what would be the point of taking action? Desire is something that is important but needs to be accompanied with a level of consciousness that allows the desire break through boundaries and limitations as opposed to creating them.

Edited November 10 by Da77en

[Ishanga]

16 minutes ago, Da77en said:

Desire is often looked at in certain spiritual contexts as being something that needs to be let go of. Many people aren’t conscious enough to know the kinds of things they actually need and thus their desire serves to perpetuate their limited identities by allocating their actions to doing things that don’t actually serve them.
Misinformed desires have led humanity to immense suffering, leading to things like greed, selfishness, exploitation, corruption, etc.

If you had no desire what would be the point of taking action? Desire is something that is important but needs to be accompanied with a level of consciousness that allows the desire break through boundaries and limitations as opposed to creating them.

Yes correct and agreed! Desire is Life in Action, without Desire, then there is no life, hence the ones that come on here and talking about no meaning and a sense of hopelessness and why go on bla bla bla.. Desire is what makes You do everything You are Doing, but if You don't Establish Your BEING (level of Consciousness), then Desire like anything is a dbl edged sword it can cut or kill You... 

All who post here want to be something more than what they are right now, if they were already complete and fulfilled they certainly would not be posting very much on here, so that is the first sign.. This is Desiring Process, most try to fulfil it via the physical or mental avenues which leads to unfulfillment and suffering since it leads to a dead end, but you still want to be more so Your stuck and we hate being stuck or imprisoned, we want to be Boundless and Absolutely Free, Desire sets that process up, add some Conscious Awareness and things Fire up easily!! 

[James123]

53 minutes ago, Da77en said:

The distinction I make is that you can neutrally prefer something without insisting that it has to come to fruition. If something is simply a preference it won’t inherently generate any fear as long as you aren’t creating attachments, insistences, etc.

But aren't any preferences related with attachment? Because you choosed to prefer that?

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

But aren't any preferences related with attachment? Because you choosed to prefer that?

Attachment is Unconscious action, Choosing is Conscious Action, big difference there...

there are always preferences with concern to actions, there doesn't have to be preferences when it comes to realizing reality as it is, via Clarity, it is as it is, and it just happens to be Beautiful and full of Bliss..realizing that is not a preference but a knowing of what it really is...

Edited November 10 by Ishanga

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Attachment is Unconscious action, Choosing is Conscious Action, big difference there...

there are always preferences with concern to actions, there doesn't have to be preferences when it comes to realizing reality as it is, via Clarity, it is as it is, and it just happens to be Beautiful and full of Bliss..realizing that is not a preference but a knowing of what it really is...

If I slap you, would you be in bliss? If you are not you choose to not be slapped, that's a preference therefore attachment. 

[Da77en]

16 minutes ago, James123 said:

But aren't any preferences related with attachment? Because you choosed to prefer that?

The way I see it is that as long as you validate everything, the preference just allows you to clarify what resonates with you and what does not. In a sense preference is almost built into consciousness because from my perspective you can’t actually prefer fear, pain, and suffering. Even God can be seen as in a sense preferring Love because that’s the essence of God.

Edited November 10 by Da77en

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

If I slap you, would you be in bliss? If you are not you choose to not be slapped, that's a preference therefore attachment. 

Ramana Marashi was being eaten alive by worms and bugs, but he was in such Bliss that he did not notice it, ppl had to wake him and take him out of it otherwise he would have been eaten alive, what was his preference? There was no preference in him then, just Bliss which is an aspect of Truth and Consciousness (Sat Chit Ananda), which is what Enlightenment is all about... So in that sense, what is a slap anyways??

[Da77en]

It’s almost as if preference is automatic and it’s simply a matter of being aware of what you actually do and don’t prefer. If people were conscious of just this one thing the world would be completely different.

If someone says they don’t prefer their true nature; joy, love, ecstasy, etc. that tells me they don’t actually understand their true nature. They would need to be projecting negativity onto their true nature in order to think they don’t prefer it.

Also God is in a sense both attached and detached to everything. It’s simply about having a boundless attachment/detachment so that you aren’t entangled in a limited identity. If you act from that kind of state you will naturally take action in the direction you actually prefer without invalidating what you don’t prefer.

Acceptance is the basis of freedom. If you invalidate/resist something you entangle yourself with it and your action will be from a place of compulsive reaction as opposed to conscious response. If you accept everything you will disentangle yourself from compulsive reaction and naturally move in the direction you prefer.

Acceptance is the basis of having a boundless identity. Compulsive reaction constricts you and you become a limited identity. When you become a limited identity it lowers your consciousness and you operate from a place of separation which doesn’t allow the full expression of your true nature.

Edited November 10 by Da77en

[Da77en]

Complete acceptance is all you need to do in order to realize the idea of no-self or the formless nature of consciousness. This brings you into a state of attatched-detachment because you recognize that you are both formless and all form and your identity becomes boundless, seeing everything as different aspects of yourself. Boundless identity means you identity with both formlessness and all form and thus you are both attached and detached from everything. From this state of being of boundless identity and attached-detachment you naturally take full responsibility for your reality and take action for the highest well-being of your entire reality as opposed to taking action to exclusively serve your individual physical identity.

Edited November 10 by Da77en

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, Da77en said:

It’s almost as if preference is automatic and it’s simply a matter of being aware of what you actually do and don’t prefer. If people were conscious of just this one thing the world would be completely different.

If someone says they don’t prefer their true nature; joy, love, ecstasy, etc. that tells me they don’t actually understand their true nature. They would need to be projecting negativity onto their true nature in order to think they don’t prefer it.

Also God is in a sense both attached and detached to everything. It’s simply about having a boundless attachment/detachment so that you aren’t entangled in a limited identity. If you act from that kind of state you will naturally take action in the direction you actually prefer without invalidating what you don’t prefer.

Acceptance is the basis of freedom. If you invalidate/resist something you entangle yourself with it and your action will be from a place of compulsive reaction as opposed to conscious response. If you accept everything you will disentangle yourself from compulsive reaction and naturally move in the direction you prefer.

Acceptance is the basis of having a boundless identity. Compulsive reaction constricts you and you become a limited identity. When you become a limited identity it lowers your consciousness and you operate from a place of separation which doesn’t allow the full expression of your true nature.

If this is confusing at first don’t worry this is kind of getting into complex understandings of consciousness.

Sadhguru 101...

[Ishanga]

12 minutes ago, Da77en said:

Complete acceptance is all you need to do in order to realize the idea of no-self or the formless nature of consciousness. This brings you into a state of attatched-detachment because you recognize that you are both formless and all form and your identity becomes boundless, seeing everything as different aspects of yourself. Boundless identity means you identity with both formlessness and all form and thus you are both attached and detached from everything. From this state of being of boundless identity and attached-detachment you naturally take full responsibility for your reality and take action for the highest well-being of your entire reality as opposed to taking action to exclusively serve your individual physical identity.

Sadhguru 102... Welcome to the Club:)

Edited November 10 by Ishanga

[Da77en]

@IshangaI’ve never heard of Sadhguru talking about no-self, boundless attatched-detachment, formless identity and all form identity, preference being built into consciousness, the idea of aligning with your true nature and being aware that you can’t not prefer your true nature.

If you have heard these things from Sadhguru it’s that these things are just universal truths. I’m not parroting these understandings from Sadhguru or something like that.

What I have heard from Sadhguru is that he does talk about acceptance, compulsive reaction and conscious response, all of the other things I haven’t.

Edited November 10 by Da77en

[Da77en]

@Ishanga I was just talking about boundless attachment and then you come along and attach what I just said to a guru. If we want to go down that path we can talk about Sadhguru being a copy of Osho, then who Osho copied. It doesn’t do the information justice to attach it to any particular person.

Edited November 10 by Da77en