Letting go of fear

[Da77en]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Fear is the basis of the genetic programming that makes a living being survive. Billions of years of evolution have created that irresistible impulse to fear annihilation. absolute terror that will make the individual move desperately, without the possibility of ignoring it. If it were not so, your species would simply have become extinct.

Life, to create, uses war. It fights to the death with itself, and thus creates wings, fangs, claws and brains. Fear is the final barrier, behind fear is infinity, but it is a barrier solid as steel

The idea of genetic memory has a lot of truth when it comes to accumulated fears, however, it's your conscious/unconscious choice to buy into the negative fear based beliefs that generate the fear. The fear isn't actually coming from the past, if you are experiencing fear, you are buying into the negative fear based beliefs that are generating it in the present.

It can be perceived as being a barrier as solid as steel but I suggest that's another one of the potential limiting beliefs that can try to convince you to not take full action to let go of the fear. It doesn't actually take much time to let go of your various fears if you have a mechanical understanding of how to do so. Fear is not as solid as you may perceive it to be.

Edited November 21 by Da77en

[Breakingthewall]

13 hours ago, Da77en said:

The idea of genetic memory has a lot of truth when it comes to accumulated fears, however, it's your conscious/unconscious choice to buy into the negative fear based beliefs that generate the fear. The fear isn't actually coming from the past, if you are experiencing fear, you are buying into the negative fear based beliefs that are generating it in the present.

It can be perceived as being a barrier as solid as steel but I suggest that's another one of the potential limiting beliefs that can try to convince you to not take full action to let go of the fear. It doesn't actually take much time to let go of your various fears if you have a mechanical understanding of how to do so. Fear is not as solid as you may perceive it to be.

Fear is real, is genetically codified . If you were in a trench in the First World War prepared to run towards the machine guns you would be afraid, it is inevitable

[Da77en]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Fear is real, is genetically codified . If you were in a trench in the First World War prepared to run towards the machine guns you would be afraid, it is inevitable

Fear is real, I just said that it’s not as solid as you may think. I don’t recommend using  genetics as an excuse for having the fear, it’s coming from your negative fear based beliefs. If you haven’t cleared out your fears then yes, the fear would be inevitable in war. If you have cleared out your fears then there would be absolutely no fear.

You said you were using genetics practically, shunting responsibility to your genetics isn’t using them practically. Understanding that genetics don’t actually have any kind of effect on your consciousness is a very important thing, and is actually very practical.

You would have a better understanding of the things I’m talking about if you had more experience clearing out the fears. If you got to a place where you had 100% certainty that you could clear out any one of your fears relatively quickly, it wouldn't be perceived as some inevitable force as strong as steel.

Edited November 22 by Da77en

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Da77en said:

You would have a better understanding of the things I’m talking about if you had more experience clearing out the fears. If you got to a place where you had 100% certainty that you could clear out any one of your fears relatively quickly, it wouldn't be perceived as some inevitable force as strong as steel.

How was your experience clearing out fears? You wouldn't feel fear running against the machine guns in the trenches? It's physical, genetical. 

Edited November 22 by Breakingthewall

[Da77en]

@Breakingthewall My experience is that you become aware of how malleable your state is and how empowered you are. I guarantee you it isn’t physical or genetic it’s only reflected into your physical body and genes. You have to generate the fear with your negative beliefs, any emotion you have is generated by you. Your state as a whole is generated by you. It’s all a reflection of whatever beliefs/definitions you are buying into.

I’m getting to the point where I wouldn’t have any fear in any such situations. I’m not going to mention specifics on my personal state very much because it’s about the information, I don’t want to get into the territory of personal comparisons.

Edited November 22 by Da77en

[Breakingthewall]

18 minutes ago, Da77en said:

@Breakingthewall My experience is that you become aware of how malleable your state is and how empowered you are. I guarantee you it isn’t physical or genetic it’s only reflected into your physical body and genes. You have to generate the fear with your negative beliefs, any emotion you have is generated by you. Your state as a whole is generated by you. It’s all a reflection of whatever beliefs/definitions you are buying into.

I’m getting to the point where I wouldn’t have any fear in any such situations. I’m not going to mention specifics on my personal state very much because it’s about the information, I don’t want to get into the territory of personal comparisons.

Then if someone is torturing you breaking your bones with a hammer, when he's approaching again with the hammer, you wouldn't feel fear? That's impossible imo. Pain is a genetic response, fear the same. 

[Da77en]

@Breakingthewall I know it might sound crazy from the perspective of someone who has fear, but I’m genuinely getting to the point where I wouldn’t have the fear. I would definitely defend myself though.

Just put in the work to let go of your fears and you will see.

I'm to the point where I want to expose myself to any "fear inducing" things so that if any fear is revealed I can work on it, it just needs to be done in a safe way.

Edited November 22 by Da77en

[Breakingthewall]

19 minutes ago, Da77en said:

it just needs to be done in a safe way.

Safe? Then where is the fear? Fear happens where the danger is real. 

[Da77en]

@Breakingthewall No, you can do things that threaten your survival even if you don't have any fear. If you don't have any fear you still need awareness to stay alive.

You don't want to confront your fears in a way that threatens your survival.

For example, if you go to war without fear, you still need to stay alive.

Danger is an made up concept, your survival is important but the distinction between what is dangerous and what isn't depends on your individuals beliefs. You just need awareness of what has a high probability of threating your survival and what doesn't in order to stay alive.

Edited November 22 by Da77en

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Da77en said:

@Breakingthewall No, you can do things that threaten your survival even if you don't have any fear. If you don't have any fear you still need awareness to stay alive.

I ve not fear now, but if I see a hungry tiger coming I will. 

[Da77en]

@Breakingthewall Then you haven't cleared out all of your fears yet. That usually comes down to fear of death, pain, and maybe some others.

It's very important that people don't put their life at risk to confront their fears, that's not the point. You need to do it safely.

When it comes to the idea that you can only confront fear by putting your actual life at risk, that's not true. That's not a good way of looking at it if you want to start confronting your fears.

If you want to really test your fears, work you way up into high doses of psychedelics, safely. That's a way you can do it without much risk to your survival. You just need enough awareness to confront fears without putting your life at risk.

When it comes to physical pain, there’s ways you can make yourself less sensitive to pain and thus it’s not much of a burden.

Edited November 22 by Da77en

[Breakingthewall]

46 minutes ago, Da77en said:

If you want to really test your fears, work you way up into high doses of psychedelics, safely. That's a way you can do it without much risk to your survival. You just need enough awareness to confront fears without putting your life at risk.

I could do any dose of psychedelics without any fear, or not serious fear. I think you don't understand what is real fear. Fear is when you really can die or be really wounded. Really, when you see the death there, clearly. Not game, real. Psychedelics are a game, because you know that you are safe. Even if you do a high dose of mushrooms or dmt, that's not real, I did salvia too, that's not real, seems real but it isn't, it's not the same. 

Edited November 22 by Breakingthewall

[Da77en]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I could do any dose of psychedelics without any fear, or not serious fear. I think you don't understand what is real fear. Fear is when you really can die or be really wounded. Really, when you see the death there, clearly. Not game, real. Psychedelics are a game, because you know that you are safe. Even if you do a high dose of mushrooms or dmt, that's not real, I did salvia too, that's not real, seems real but it isn't, it's not the same. 

Oh yes, I understand real fear. I’ve traversed states of utter insanity. Psychedelics can bring out fear in people especially if you are getting into super high levels of consciousness. I wouldn’t compare your experience of psychedelics to others, or compare states in general because it gets to being uninformed, biased, and fear based. That’s why I said I didn’t want to get into personal comparisons.

You’re making the argument that “real” fear only happens in real “danger”. People get themselves into life threatening situations all the time and don’t always have insane levels of fear. It’s more malleable than you think.

Edited November 22 by Da77en

[Breakingthewall]

@Da77en sorry but it's not the same do psychedelic that be tied to four posts, have honey poured on you and 50 hungry rats released to eat you alive. It's absolutely different. 

[Da77en]

@Breakingthewall I validate your perspective, I just want to let people know that fear isn’t actually hard to let go of if you understand how to do it.

[Aether Phoenix]

@Da77en thank you so much for the information and perspective you provided. It really helps me at this moment in my journey. 

Your insights resonate deeply with my desire to let go of fear and expand consciousness. Your approach has inspired me to explore and implement this in my journey.

I’ve noted how to integrate your process and love the idea of using fear as a gateway to understanding. It makes confronting fear actionable, and I’m excited to experiment with it.

Could you share a practical example of how you apply this?

For instance, do you prioritize your fears upon waking? For example, I have a fear of going crazy; from what I understand, I might watch a movie on madness and ask, “What would I have to believe is true to feel this fear?” Can you share other practical examples of things you do to trigger the fears? 

I was experiencing your method: Do you recommend doing that with contractions on the body since fear should create them? 

Thank you again for sharing this wisdom. I’m eager to put it into practice and see how it shapes my journey.

Edited December 5 by Aether Phoenix

[Da77en]

On 12/5/2024 at 3:15 AM, Aether Phoenix said:

@Da77en thank you so much for the information and perspective you provided. It really helps me at this moment in my journey. 

Your insights resonate deeply with my desire to let go of fear and expand consciousness. Your approach has inspired me to explore and implement this in my journey.

I’ve noted how to integrate your process and love the idea of using fear as a gateway to understanding. It makes confronting fear actionable, and I’m excited to experiment with it.

Could you share a practical example of how you apply this?

For instance, do you prioritize your fears upon waking? For example, I have a fear of going crazy; from what I understand, I might watch a movie on madness and ask, “What would I have to believe is true to feel this fear?” Can you share other practical examples of things you do to trigger the fears? 

I was experiencing your method: Do you recommend doing that with contractions on the body since fear should create them? 

Thank you again for sharing this wisdom. I’m eager to put it into practice and see how it shapes my journey.

You're welcome!

Watching a movie on madness to confront and activate the fear of going crazy would be a good way of doing it. Whatever kind of stimulus you are most attracted to use in order to bring out the fear is best. I would recommend pausing the movie at certain points so that you can close your eyes and use the mantra question, and then resuming the movie when the fear reaction is less intense or dissolved. If/when the fear gets activated again(it probably will if it's a strong fear), you can do the same process of pausing the movie and doing the investigations until the fear dissolves or becomes less intense. You could try asking yourself the mantra question throughout the movie but for me the most effective way of doing it is asking the question in a meditative like state.

Another practical example for applying this process could be if you are afraid of heights, you could watch videos of people climbing skyscrapers, cranes, and other activities from high places. When I had my fear of heights, just watching videos of people doing such things would activate the fear reaction in pretty much the same way as If I was actually there.

Another example is if you get triggered by drama or toxicity, you could watch videos of people who are road raging, yelling at each other, etc. For me it's a pretty good simulation and practice for if you were to be in those situations.

Expose yourself to any particular stimulus that activates a fear reaction, it doesn't have to be for long. If you can get the fear reaction activated with only 30 seconds of watching a video, that's enough for you to start working on the fear. Once the fear is activated, you can sit or lay down, observe the fear and repeat the question like a mantra until the fear dissolves.

Once the fear is dissolved, if you want to continue the process, go back to the stimulus and repeat the process. Each time you expose yourself to the stimulus the fear will usually be less intense until it goes away completely. It took me a couple months of doing this process in order for me to let go of my fear of heights, which was pretty strong.

I prioritize fears that I feel might be the most relevent to work on in any given moment. I would work on fears that have biggest effect on your day to day life first. Other than that, whatever fears you are most excited or attracted to work on in any given moment would be best. You could use it for contractions on the body, which could be the result of fear. I've let go of energy blockages by using this process.

I recommend pacing yourself and not pushing yourself more than you are ready for. You usually want to bring yourself back to a neutral state by the time you are done doing the investigations so that you aren't going about your day in a state of fear.

There are also various subreddits that are all about particular phobias. You can use them to expose yourself to certain fears, so that you can do the investigations. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/acrophobia/

https://www.reddit.com/r/claustrophobia/

https://www.reddit.com/r/thalassophobia/

https://www.reddit.com/r/megalophobia/

Edited December 7 by Da77en

[Aether Phoenix]

@Da77en, thank you so much for sharing your detailed insights and practical examples. They resonate deeply with me and clarify how to approach my fears.

I love the suggestion of using movies or other stimuli to activate specific fears. I have been doing this more without stopping and have noticed some differences. The problem is that one of my fears was that "Movies can negatively control me, my emotions and my states." I learned to zoom out the movie in intensity, lowering the effect to the minimum. I hope I didn't break this method.  I understood the movie's capacity to change you is just a belief. 

My current fears are more related to animals, but I’m sure I can apply the same process by watching videos that trigger those specific fears. It’s helpful to know that starting small, like watching just 30 seconds of a video to activate the fear and then processing it, can be applied across different types of worries.

Lastly, the subreddit recommendations are beneficial! I’ll explore these as a resource for safely exposing myself to various triggers. 

Thank you again for your wisdom and encouragement. I’m excited to continue experimenting with this approach and see how it transforms my relationship with fear. It would be incredibly helpful if you could guide me a bit in the future, whenever you feel it’s appropriate. I truly appreciate the insights you’ve shared so far.

[Da77en]

@Aether Phoenix Thanks for your responses, I appreciate your commitment to grow. Another thing I can say is when you are confronting the fears it will temporarily lower your overall vibration, so things might be a little more hectic in your reality. The concept of burning through karma would be a good way of describing it. Any kind of misalignments within your consciousness are rooted in negative beliefs/fear and depending on how quickly you are going through the process of clearing out the fear, the challenges in your life can get amplified, but you progress more quickly. Sadhguru describes this aspect of the spiritual process as putting life on fast forward mode.

https://isha.sadhguru.org/en/wisdom/article/a-friction-free-spiritual-process

 https://isha.sadhguru.org/en/wisdom/sadhguru-spot/life-on-fast-forward

After you clear out a certain fear and give your state time to realign, your frequency will raise higher then it was previously because that fear is no longer holding your frequency down and constricting your consciousness.

Edited December 15 by Da77en

[Da77en]

To anyone interested in expanding your consciousness and letting go of fear, here’s another extremely powerful tool:

Ask ChatGPT to create lists of negative beliefs so that you can go through and identify them. For example, you can ask ChatGPT to make a list of 100 common negative beliefs. When you Identify the negative beliefs that you are buying into it automatically neutralizes and dissolves them. Identifying negative beliefs that you may or may not be buying into gives you more awareness of what you don’t prefer to believe and thus expands your consciousness and overall well-being. Having an expanded awareness of potential negative beliefs is important and very useful to the overall process of investigating into your negative beliefs. Remember that using ChatGPT to help you identify negative beliefs isn’t a replacement for doing your own investigations. The investigations you do with the process I listed in the original post, or whatever way you are attracted to is also important.

Using ChatGPT to create lists of positive beliefs is also extremely powerful. When you identify positive beliefs, it gives you more awareness of what you prefer to believe, and thus you will automatically start buying into more positive beliefs. This process of using ChatGPT to identify both negative and positive beliefs is very powerful.

Edited December 16 by Da77en