Letting go of fear

[James123]

3 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Ramana Marashi was being eaten alive by worms and bugs, but he was in such Bliss that he did not notice it, ppl had to wake him and take him out of it otherwise he would have been eaten alive, what was his preference? There was no preference in him then, just Bliss which is an aspect of Truth and Consciousness (Sat Chit Ananda), which is what Enlightenment is all about...

Ramana Maharshi transcended the death brother. 

 

3 hours ago, Ishanga said:

So in that sense, what is a slap anyways??

If you are in coma or deep sleep, very deep sleep can slap wake you?

That's why Ramana Maharshi says that you are closest to who you are when you are in deep sleep.

[VeganAwake]

The acceptance of the fear "is in a sense" the letting go!

Tracing the fear back to its roots and being understanding of it, certainly seems to be a winner winner chicken dinner 😅

❤️ 

[Yimpa]

@VeganAwake i am proud of you

[Da77en]

2 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

The acceptance of the fear "is in a sense" the letting go!

Tracing the fear back to its roots and being understanding of it, certainly seems to be a winner winner chicken dinner 😅

❤️ 

100%. Tracing the fear back to the root negative beliefs that generate it is key.

Edited November 10 by Da77en

[Ishanga]

5 hours ago, James123 said:

Ramana Maharshi transcended the death brother. 

 

If you are in coma or deep sleep, very deep sleep can slap wake you?

That's why Ramana Maharshi says that you are closest to who you are when you are in deep sleep.

Yes I can agree with that, Deep Sleep is like a sort of Death Practice we get to go thru every night, if You can be aware of the change in state btwn Deep Sleep and Wakefulness then that is good practice for when actual physical death happens, would benefit one from what I understand!

[Ishanga]

6 hours ago, Da77en said:

@IshangaI’ve never heard of Sadhguru talking about no-self, boundless attatched-detachment, formless identity and all form identity, preference being built into consciousness, the idea of aligning with your true nature and being aware that you can’t not prefer your true nature.

If you have heard these things from Sadhguru it’s that these things are just universal truths. I’m not parroting these understandings from Sadhguru or something like that.

What I have heard from Sadhguru is that he does talk about acceptance, compulsive reaction and conscious response, all of the other things I haven’t.

He's never used that language, but that language is confusing and not needed, saying attached-detachment is oxymoronic, You did Use the term Entanglement which Sadhguru uses allot... 

[Ishanga]

6 hours ago, Da77en said:

@Ishanga I was just talking about boundless attachment and then you come along and attach what I just said to a guru. If we want to go down that path we can talk about Sadhguru being a copy of Osho, then who Osho copied. It doesn’t do the information justice to attach it to any particular person.

What is going on here is not Spirituality, and You haven't invented anything new, its just a rehashing of sorts..Osho and Sadhguru use completely different approaches, they say the same words at time, but that is because there are similar levels of Intellectual knowing, but Sadhguru is levels above Osho in other ways, I like to read Osho and I like to use Sadhguru's methods as they are the most effective..Osho's methods from what I have seen are not as effective, and he didn't do the social work or consecrate temples like Sadhguru has.. Different ppl, different guru's and mystics...

[James123]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

Yes I can agree with that, Deep Sleep is like a sort of Death Practice we get to go thru every night, if You can be aware of the change in state btwn Deep Sleep and Wakefulness then that is good practice for when actual physical death happens, would benefit one from what I understand!

Definitely. 

[Breakingthewall]

I always intuitively perceived that fear is prison, before having read any book on spirituality, even when I was 8 years old. For me it was essential to face fear, for this I seriously got involved in activities such as clean style rock climbing, hang gliding with delta in extreme conditions, boxing and sailing, with two Atlantic crossings in harsh conditions with old boats alone (with a girl who didn't know about sailing), all this was very challenging since the risk of serious accident and death was very real and you could perceive it clearly right here and now. the real danger, on a 200 m wall 10 m from the last safety, or with a 90 kg Russian guy in front who wants to kill you in a ring, or in a storm of 5 days with gusts of 120 km/h in the middle of the ocean. All this centers you, helps real openness, I think it is recommended in spirituality, inner work and external work. At least for most of us, because we are extremely attached to the body, to the security, in our society it's inevitable, then even we meditate a lot, the fear is still there . Anyway, the attached to the body is extremely difficult to let go

Edited November 10 by Breakingthewall

[Princess Arabia]

12 hours ago, Ishanga said:

All who post here want to be something more than what they are right now, if they were already complete and fulfilled they certainly would not be posting very much on here, so that is the first sign..

This makes zero sense. Please explain as I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it just doesn't make any sense to me at all. I couldn't even come up with anything to collaborate what this statement means. What does the lack of feeling fulfilled and having a lack of a sense of completion have to do with posting on a forum and joining a community. Seems you have turned life's experience into this big meaningful epic and just simply can't see how people can just do things they enjoy doing without it being a sense of lack and not feeling fulfilled. Seems you've put your own meaning unto what it means to post on this forum and are now projecting that unto others. Ill agree that most humans feel a sense of lack and aren't fulfilled, thats just pretty much Universal and really need not be said. May I ask what would a person, in your opinion, who doesn't feel a sense of lack or feels fulfilled what would they be doing more of.

This statement to me just screams self-judgement and self-criticism and how you feel about yourself and what you think is your own reasons for being here. Now you assume others are the same. It's the only thing i can think of as this activity is just that, an activity for the mind to engage in. Life is filled with meaningless activities and the only one in my opinion that is meaningful is to become familiar with your true nature. Anything else is just entertainment for the mind and distractions from nothing because they are forever changing and puts people into neurosis and emotional flux. So anything we do, I don't care what it is, if its not becoming familiar with the true nature of your being is just entertainment or survival.

 

[Da77en]

12 hours ago, Ishanga said:

What is going on here is not Spirituality, and You haven't invented anything new, its just a rehashing of sorts..Osho and Sadhguru use completely different approaches, they say the same words at time, but that is because there are similar levels of Intellectual knowing, but Sadhguru is levels above Osho in other ways, I like to read Osho and I like to use Sadhguru's methods as they are the most effective..Osho's methods from what I have seen are not as effective, and he didn't do the social work or consecrate temples like Sadhguru has.. Different ppl, different guru's and mystics...

It is spirituality but you need to understand it directly as opposed to just as an intellectual concept if you want expand your understanding of this aspect of consciousness.

I typed out a response earlier but then realized people would probably take it way too intellectually and over-complicate it even though it’s a very simple aspect of life.

if you go through the process of clearing out your fears your consciousness will expand to the point where you start understanding things directly and automatically without the need for any particular contemplation/analysis/discussions.

The discussions can make it seem way more complicated then it actually is so I remind people the importance of having balance between discussions/analysis and more direct spiritual practices. From my perspective the optimal state is where no discussions or contemplations are needed and all understandings are automatic.

The nature of attachments and detachment is very similar to the nature of identity so that’s probably why it sounds similar to what Sadhguru has talked about, but just rehashed as you said. It’s still good to be able to understand these things multidimensionally and not just though one particular lens of what someone like Sadhguru has talked about.

Also, it's definitely not my invention, these are aspects of consciousness, not someone’s personal theory, philosophy or something like that.

No one exclusively owns the rights to any particular insight. If we want to provide support to each others evolution and wellbeing these are things that are important to share, not hoard. As long as you actually understand what you are saying and are not blindly parroting some guru. If someone is parroting someone they may as well just refer to who they are parroting.

Edited November 10 by Da77en

[Da77en]

On 11/8/2024 at 5:40 AM, Hojo said:

 

@Hojo I really like this music, thanks for posting it.

What I've noticed is when you let go of the fear, songs that might have been perceived as being fear inducing start generating intense states of expansiveness.

Edited November 11 by Da77en

[Vibes]

@Da77en @Hojo

Listen to this one.

When I watched this movie I was very uncomfortable with the soundtrack but now I love it haha

Maybe the key to all is open mindedness and taking in the beauty with no resistance.

Edited November 11 by Vibes

[Da77en]

6 hours ago, Vibes said:

Maybe the key to all is open mindedness and taking in the beauty with no resistance.

Definitely. I've listened to that one before. Funnily enough I've been listening to "anxiety inducing" playlists of music because it was relevent to letting go of fear. Songs like this are good for intensity, people who perceive it as fear inducing might think it would be strange to listen to it for the expansion of consciousness, but it works.

 

 

 

Edited November 11 by Da77en

[Da77en]

I want to remind people that fear is pretty much the main "barrier" when it comes to the expansion of consciousness. Any negative definition you have of Enlightenment isn't a definition of Enlightenment. Any negative definition you have of a more expanded state of consciousness, isn't a definition of a more expanded state of consciousness.

Negative energy is constrictive, positive energy is expansive.

Sometimes people can associate the high negative fear based states that happen in the process of expanding, as the expansion, it's part of the expansion but it isn't the end result. The expansion will usually bring out the negativity/fear within you because that is what prevents the expansion of your consciousness. Once you let go of the fear/negativity that the expansion revealed, you will experience the benefits and ecstasies of that expansion.

Psychedelics can bring you into states of insanity by expanding your consciousness way too rapidly than you were in a sense prepared to face and thus can bring out immense fear. Once you let go of the negativity/fear you will experience that expansion of consciousness positively, with ecstasy, and the other aspects of your true nature such as joy, love, bliss, passion, etc.

You don't necessarily need the psychedelics to bring out your fears/negativity but it's a good tool you can use, just be very careful. I don't recommend starting out with psychedelics, I recommend gaining a good understanding on how to let go of fear and making yourself very stable before you consider potent psychedelics.

Edited yesterday at 10:03 PM by Da77en

[Yimpa]

Where is fear located?
 

[James123]

1 hour ago, Yimpa said:

Where is fear located?
 

Yeah. That's the 1 billion dollars question. 

[Da77en]

17 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Where is fear located?
 

Fear is located within your consciousness. It’s a frequency that is generated as a result of buying into negative fear based beliefs.

The fear can in a sense concentrate into certain parts of the body and/or it can be a frequency that pervades your entire experience.

If you have a particular fear that isn’t activated until there’s a certain trigger, it means you consciously/unconsciously have a belief/beliefs that say if something happens then a fear reaction is necessary/beneficial. In order to let go of the fear you need to find out the negative beliefs are that are convincing you that it is beneficial to have the fear.

Common negative beliefs: I am unworthy, undeserving, unimportant, not good enough, etc.

As I listed in the initial post, I recommend doing something that can activate the fear reaction, in a safe environment, so that you can investigate into it. There are also other ways of doing it but the way I listed is extremely effective.

If anyone wants more awareness of potential negative beliefs, you can ask ChatGPT. You can ask things like: Make a list of 50 negative beliefs that might generate a fear of heights, infinity, loss, death, etc. Asking ChatGPT can help a lot when it comes to identifying your negative beliefs but it’s not a replacement to doing your own investigations. Doing the investigations in the way that I listed in the initial post works directly on your consciousness in a multidimensionally way and transcends the intellect.

Edited 5 hours ago by Da77en

[Yimpa]

I  found it!

Edited 3 hours ago by Yimpa

[Breakingthewall]

20 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Where is fear located?
 

Fear is the basis of the genetic programming that makes a living being survive. Billions of years of evolution have created that irresistible impulse to fear annihilation. absolute terror that will make the individual move desperately, without the possibility of ignoring it. If it were not so, your species would simply have become extinct.

Life, to create, uses war. It fights to the death with itself, and thus creates wings, fangs, claws and brains. Fear is the final barrier, behind fear is infinity, but it is a barrier solid as steel