Letting go of fear

[James123]

6 minutes ago, Da77en said:

How would you define Enlightenment? From my perspective Enlightenment is never ending because there are higher levels of consciousness forever.

No no no. Enlightenment is simply being where you already are. And identical for everyone. Because it is You.

[Da77en]

16 minutes ago, James123 said:

No no no. Enlightenment is simply being where you already are. And identical for everyone. Because it is You.

I’m aware that I am the only thing that exists and that everything is me. There are still higher levels of consciousness that we can explore and need to explore if we want to continue evolving. From your definition of the term, enlightenment is being where you are now.

What I am interested in is the expansion of consciousness. There are levels of ecstasy that I have reacher sober that in relation to the way we have been living shows that Earth is in a ridiculously low level of evolution and that it’s very important that we drastically expand our consciousness individually and collectively.

One taste of the states of Ecstasy and Love I have gone into would be enough for the average person to gain enough devotion to the expansion of consciousness to last a millennia, that’s the path I am taking.

Edited November 8 by Da77en

[James123]

Just now, Da77en said:

I’m aware that I am the only thing that exists and that everything is me. There are still higher levels of consciousness that we can explore and need to explore if we want to continue evolving. From your definition of the term, enlightenment is being where you are now.

What I am interested in is the expansion of consciousness. There are levels of ecstasy that I have reacher sober that in relation to the way we have been living on shows that Earth is in a ridiculously low level evolution and that it’s very important that we drastically expand our consciousness individually and collectively.

One taste of the states of Ecstasy and Love I have gone into would be enough for the average person to gain enough devotion to the expansion of consciousness to last a millennia, that’s the path I am.

The one who is everything or god is the biggest illusion. Once you realize that there will be "nothing," to explore. After that you will completely surrender then realize what love is. This is the path.

Peace! 

[Da77en]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

The one who is everything or god is the biggest illusion. Once you realize that there will be "nothing," to explore. After that you will completely surrender then realize what love is. This is the path.

Peace! 

What are you defining as “You” then in your previous post? The idea of no-self is that the self can not be pinpointed to any particular form, that doesn’t mean that there is actually no self. Consciousness is Self.

Complete surrender doesn’t mean that you stop taking action, there’s still more to do after you have these realizations.

Consciousness is both formless and all form, you only experience your own consciousness. Saying that you are nothing is just the recognition of your formless nature, you still exist and there is still more of your form nature to explore because that’s what experience is, different forms and frequencies of you.

I’m just suggesting that we let go of fear so we can explore the joyful, loving, blissful, ecstatic aspects of our consciousness and continue to become more conscious and understanding of our nature. As a collective we have been exploring and still are exploring negative aspects of consciousness.

Edited November 8 by Da77en

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, James123 said:

The one who is everything or god is the biggest illusion. Once you realize that there will be "nothing," to explore. After that you will completely surrender then realize what love is. This is the path.

Peace! 

How are you telling an illusion to surrender and to realize what love is. How is complete surrender a path.  You pretty much comment the same thing for every post and answer the same way for every question. While in human form, there are certain things that apply. You don't take care of your child and say to them you are nothing so why bother. You still eat something to feed that nothing body and something is coming out of your mouth.

[James123]

11 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

How are you telling an illusion to surrender and to realize what love is. How is complete surrender a path.  You pretty much comment the same thing for every post and answer the same way for every question. While in human form, there are certain things that apply. You don't take care of your child and say to them you are nothing so why bother. You still eat something to feed that nothing body and something is coming out of your mouth.

You haven't get too deep. 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, James123 said:

You haven't get too deep. 

Whatever that means.

[James123]

9 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Whatever that means.

Walk the path, meditate, do retreat. Directly realize. You can not learn via reading or writing. 

[Princess Arabia]

18 minutes ago, James123 said:

Walk the path, meditate, do retreat. Directly realize. You can not learn via reading or writing. 

Could you please stop projecting your own ideas of me and who you think I am and what it is you believe i'm doing or not doing with my life based on your assumptions about me. What I say about you is a direct response to your posts and not what I think you're saying or what I think about how you live your life. I don't tell you what to do with your life and your spiritual journey, I'd appreciate you do the same. If I make a public comment and someone directly challenges me on it or if I've exposed myself and tell the world what I'm doing, I'd expect for people to respond based on what I've said, not what they believe I'm saying or what the belive I'm doing or not doing with my life. It's one thing to have those beliefs within one's own mind, but it's another to project those beliefs unto the person based on your own assumptions.

Edited November 8 by Princess Arabia

[James123]

18 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Could you please stop projecting your own ideas of me and who you think I am and what it is you believe i'm doing or not doing with my life based on your assumptions about me. What I say about you is a direct response to your posts and not what I think you're saying or what I think about how you live your life. I don't tell you what to do with your life and your spiritual journey, I'd appreciate you do the same. If I make a public comment and someone directly challenges me on it or if I've exposed myself and tell the world what I'm doing, I'd expect for people to respond based on what I've said, not what they believe I'm saying or what the belive I'm doing or not doing with my life. It's one thing to have those beliefs within one's own mind, but it's another to project those beliefs unto the person based on your own assumptions.

You or i not important. Just meat and bones.

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, James123 said:

You or i not important. Just meat and bones.

So why tell people to meditate and go to retreats. If we're not important, then what's the purpose. You constantly contradict yourself.

Edited November 8 by Princess Arabia

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

So why tell people to meditate and go to retreats. If we're not important, then what's the purpose. You constantly contradict yourself.

Meditation is self destruction.

[Da77en]

Neo-Advaita type ideas such as :“Enlightenment is becoming aware that you are aware”, “There’s nothing to do”, “There’s only one Enlightenment” , “It’s where you already are” “There is no path” etc.

These ideas are like making the expansion of consciousness into an intellectual concept. If you delve into these kinds of understandings they are usually very surface layer and if you take action to deepen the understanding it circles back into a kind of spiritual dissociation.

Consciousness is not some small single dimensional thing, it goes extremely deep.

How can someone honestly use the term “Enlightenment” to describe something that is bringing them into states of refusal to acknowledge basic aspects of consciousness.

Many of the Neo-Advaita ideas are touching on genuine insights but are then using the insights to bring someone into a kind of spiritual dissociation and spiritual denial.

My honest advice to people who’s spirituality is primarily directed towards the Neo-Advaitan ideas is to take action to make your understanding of consciousness more multidimensional and grounded.

Be honest with yourself and see if you are able to use the understandings that you have to create significant improvements in your life and other people’s lives. Exclusively intellectualizing about spiritual ideas often results in having a lot of concepts but not a lot practical results in your life.

Edited November 9 by Da77en

[James123]

33 minutes ago, Da77en said:

Consciousness is not some small single dimensional thing, it goes extremely deep.

The deepest level of the ocean, actually entire spiritual ocean is made out of love. 

34 minutes ago, Da77en said:

Neo-Advaita type ideas such as :“Enlightenment is becoming aware that you are aware”, “There’s nothing to do”, “There’s only one Enlightenment” , “It’s where you already are” “There is no path” etc.

Neo Adviata is an another idea, concept or thought. 

35 minutes ago, Da77en said:

How can someone honestly use the term “Enlightenment” to describe something that is bringing them into states of refusal to acknowledge basic aspects of consciousness

Enlightenment is simply being where You already are. Because, it is You. But people have so many clouds / thoughts, therefore they are lost within the concepts, ideas and thoughts. 

36 minutes ago, Da77en said:

Be honest with yourself and see if you are able to use the understandings that you have create significant improvements in your life and other people’s lives. Exclusively intellectualizing about spiritual ideas often results in having a lot of concepts but not a lot practical results in your life.

Love is the deepest intellectualazing. Mind does think creates thoughts and ideas but heart talks, feels and lives. 

[Da77en]

5 minutes ago, James123 said:

The deepest level of the ocean, actually entire spiritual ocean is made out of love. 

Neo Adviata is an another idea, concept or thought. 

Enlightenment is simply being where You already are. Because, it is You. But people have so many clouds / thoughts, therefore they are lost within the concepts, ideas and thoughts. 

Love is the deepest intellectualazing. Mind does think creates thoughts and ideas but heart talks, feels and lives. 

One thing I notice is that there is a repeating of the same old things in a circular fashion just like you did, “Neo-Advaita is another idea”.

Anything we talk about are just concepts until you apply them and get results.

Another thing about Neo-Advaita is that as opposed to being very specific about the understandings, they are very broad concepts that make it open to many different interpretations.

Edited November 8 by Da77en

[James123]

1 minute ago, Da77en said:

One thing I notice is that there is a repeating of the same old things in a circular fashion just like you did, “Neo-Advaita is another idea”.

Anything we talk about are just concepts until you apply them and get results.

Love is the final result, which brings at the same time calmness and freedom. 

[James123]

That's what happened to me, idk what happened to others. 

[Da77en]

3 hours ago, James123 said:

That's what happened to me, idk what happened to others. 

I appreciate our discussions.

 

Thanks to everyone who has been participating, these discussions are very valuable. There really is no alternative to creating a world where the fundamental mechanisms of consciousness are common knowledge.

The education systems on our planet don’t provide individuals with the core principles we need to actually live an ecstatic life. If this one thing could be changed it would make a profound difference.

Lastly, when it comes to any of these thing we have discussed, remember the map is not the territory. I recommend not attaching any particular assumptions to this information and simply using it knowing that letting go of fear will bring you more in alignment with your true nature. You can't even begin to imagine what the effects will actually be by letting go of your fear and aligning your consciousness so there's no need to have any concept in your mind as to the particular effects, just know that it is worth it.

Edited November 8 by Da77en

[James123]

3 hours ago, Da77en said:

I appreciate our discussions.

 

Thank you too.

3 hours ago, Da77en said:

There really is no alternative to creating a world where the fundamental mechanisms of consciousness are common knowledge.

Definitely. 

3 hours ago, Da77en said:

Lastly, when it comes to any of these thing we have discussed, remember the map is not the territory. I recommend not attaching any particular assumptions to this information and simply using it knowing that letting go of fear will bring you more in alignment with your true nature. You can't even begin to imagine what the effects will actually be by letting go of your fear and aligning your consciousness so there's no need to have any concept in your mind as to the particular effects, just know that it is worth it.

Definitely. Letting go is key to open the door of our true nature. When we let go ourself, the True nature of ours shines. 

[Hojo]

@Da77en Yes for me anyway. Once fear goes the fear of death goes and then when things you would normally perceive as scary because of dying turns to weird because you know you cant die but you don't know whats going to happen.

Reality is like a science experiment that gained sentience and looked at itself.

 

Edited November 8 by Hojo