What even is enlightenment?

[Princess Arabia]

7 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t feel like watching a 20 min video sorry hehe. 
but you mean our senses perceive wrong?

It starts at marker 11:00 if you don't want to watch the whole thing.

[Sugarcoat]

5 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

It starts at marker 11:00 if you don't want to watch the whole thing.

Ok 👍🏻

[Breakingthewall]

It is when you perceive your unlimited nature all the time, and sometimes completely. Your unlimited nature is the absolute source, the absolute power, it is not simply like, oh I am consciousness, it is the total abyss from which existence springs in a total way, since it has no opposite, the total potential. You could realize it in different depth, because the relative veils the realization of your true nature, then realize it totally is very difficult, but realizing let's say, through the relative, is already realizing it. 

[Jowblob]

Enlightenment is the realization that god is wizard. Who's there you can explain yourself to? Just as the word enlightenment will have a different meaning to each person dependant on their experience out of infinity. Now read the black stuff again

[Atb210201]

Enlightenment is reaching The Real.

Wakefulness and dream are equally unreal from the standpoint of The Absolute.

Ramana Maharshi quote with a little change.

Edited November 6 by Atb210201

[VeganAwake]

It's nothing because its the end of the self construct that wasn't actually there to begin with.

Enlightenment is liberation from the needy self illusion basically.....but nobody becomes liberated.

It's not a state or a better position for a you. 

It's the revelation that there never was a you.

❤️ 

Edited November 7 by VeganAwake

[Sugarcoat]

2 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

It's nothing because its the end of the self construct that wasn't actually there to begin with.

Enlightenment is liberation from the needy self illusion basically.....but nobody becomes liberated.

It's not a state or a better position for a you. 

It's the revelation that there never was a you.

❤️ 

Does meditation help in “seeing” this?

[Princess Arabia]

14 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Does meditation help in “seeing” this?

Self-inquiry does, I believe. I dunno, cause I'm not trying to get rid of the self. I need it for work. Hehe

[Ishanga]

Enlightenment is the Highest Potential for a Human Being, and since a Human Being has Free Will they have too choose what that means to them. For some it is just a sense of neutrality, for others its extreme Ecstasy all the time or whenever they want to experience that. and for others it is mastery of the Human Mechanism and all that it has to offer, whatever it is, don't listen to anyone giving concrete conclusions, as that is a limitation in and of itself.

Its better to ask, What Enlightenment is Not! It is not Suffering in anyway shape or form. it is not worship or idolization, it is not Belief of any kind, it is not Philosophy of  Any Kind (as we are doing here with all these posts).

Just look at the worst example of Human Kind and the Best examples of Human Kind, and see what is possible via their examples, then decide what it means for You!

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

It's nothing because its the end of the self construct that wasn't actually there to begin with.

Enlightenment is liberation from the needy self illusion basically.....but nobody becomes liberated.

It's not a state or a better position for a you. 

It's the revelation that there never was a you.

❤️ 

If there is not a you, what is? I guess that you mean with "you" the one who is perceiving the perception, the subject, the center of the experience. Then I agree more or less. The you exist but it's a relative impermanent construction that's happening in the reality. 

But if the you that's happening in the reality dissapear, the reality remains. There is no center, not opposite, not a subject, but still is, then you could say: I am that. Because it's true, you exist, then you are the existence.

[James123]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

If there is not a you, what is? I guess that you mean with "you" the one who is perceiving the perception, the subject, the center of the experience. Then I agree more or less. The you exist but it's a relative impermanent construction that's happening in the reality. 

But if the you that's happening in the reality dissapear, the reality remains. There is no center, not opposite, not a subject, but still is, then you could say: I am that. Because it's true, you exist, then you are the existence.

İ think, she is trying to say, there is no perceiver or perceived. This is You.

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

İ think, she is trying to say, there is no perceiver or perceived. This is You.

Agree in the sense that perceiver and perception are a relative construction of the reality, but if they dissapear and only existence without any duality remains, that's you. Always it's you, because you is what exist. The "illusion" is the appearance that there is something outside you. Really it is, apparently. From a relative perspective there is outside, that's why any living being perceive in duality, then perceive itself as a relative thing, definite by the relationship with anything else, but from an absolute perspective there is only you, and you are the absolute potential, like anything that exists, without exterior. Then saying: "there is not you" doesn't make sense, would be correct: there is not relative you. 

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Agree in the sense that perceiver and perception are a relative construction of the reality, but if they dissapear and only existence without any duality remains, that's you

This is it. And it has no name. İmpossible to explain because everything is it.

[Javfly33]

Enlightment is Liberation from ignorance, belief and  attachment to thoughts/mind as a source of Truth.

Mind is a tool, but is not you, Knowledge can not ever define you or tell you what you are. 

 

 

Edited November 7 by Javfly33

[Sugarcoat]

I just thought to myself today. Isn’t it crazy how something that is supposedly supposed to be the truth, that there is no self, no separation, is so damn hard to “see”? The thing that’s supposed to be so obvious. How could an illusion be so strong 99.9 % of people are under it. It’s crazy

[Javfly33]

40 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I just thought to myself today. Isn’t it crazy how something that is supposedly supposed to be the truth, that there is no self, no separation, is so damn hard to “see”? The thing that’s supposed to be so obvious. How could an illusion be so strong 99.9 % of people are under it. It’s crazy

Because the limited self is trying to see.

In other words you are getting lost in your mind.

Trying to find something there, but of course you can look there for 100 years you won't find enlightment there 😂😂

[Sugarcoat]

10 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Because the limited self is trying to see.

In other words you are getting lost in your mind.

Trying to find something there, but of course you can look there for 100 years you won't find enlightment there 😂😂

Illusion trying to look for end of itself

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

I just thought to myself today. Isn’t it crazy how something that is supposedly supposed to be the truth, that there is no self, no separation, is so damn hard to “see”? The thing that’s supposed to be so obvious. How could an illusion be so strong 99.9 % of people are under it. It’s crazy

Totally normal because the configuration of this relative experience is duality, you vs other, and this is not an illusion, is how this experience is, then your perception get closed, you build barriers to function like a human in a world very complex where a mental world crated by thoughts develops and grows in complexity. All this structure has genetic basis, fear, desire of survival and reproduction , need to being accepted. With all this mess, be able to see through the veil of the relative is more than difficult, it's an art. 

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Totally normal because the configuration of this relative experience is duality, you vs other, and this is not an illusion, is how this experience is, then your perception get closed, you build barriers to function like a human in a world very complex where a mental world crated by thoughts develops and grows in complexity. All this structure has genetic basis, fear, desire of survival and reproduction , need to being accepted. With all this mess, be able to see through the veil of the relative is more than difficult, it's an art. 

Why do you say it’s not an illusion?

it’s difficult indeed

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

I just thought to myself today. Isn’t it crazy how something that is supposedly supposed to be the truth, that there is no self, no separation, is so damn hard to “see”? The thing that’s supposed to be so obvious. How could an illusion be so strong 99.9 % of people are under it. It’s crazy

Do you want to exist or not. I guarantee you, if you were truly in the void or whatever it is and how they frame it, if you were truly in that dimension of oneness, no separation, and had everything at your disposal and at anytime just by wishing it and it's so in the blink of an eye for eternity, you'd be wishing for separation and ignorance again. This is what drives you to get up everyday and to face the world of uncertainty. If it were so easy to uncover, it wouldn't be all powerful, all mighty and omniscient. It's who you truly are, only now you're the limited human able to experience yourself and to go through the challenges of what it feels like to be human. Can't be done without the illusion of a separate self. It can be broken, but you really don't want to, or you would have. This is why you're still seemingly alive.

Edited November 7 by Princess Arabia