Posted November 5 https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/sport-others/imane-khelif-gold-paris-olympics-confirmed-as-a-man-in-leaked-medical-reports-9654188/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 5 I just posted the first one I found, there's others Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 5 (edited) You are spreading Russian disinformation. Edited November 5 by Nemra Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 5 7 minutes ago, Nemra said: You are spreading Russian disinformation. What are your thoughts on Imane? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 5 Having XY chromosomes is compatible with being intersex. If you think having XY chromosomes is sufficient to be categorized as a man, then its entailed under your definition that a man can give birth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 5 (edited) Ok, I guess I should have worded it better. It should be more like "Imane Khelif officially shouldn't compete in women's sports". Because this is the real issue I wanted to address. I was too quick. Edited November 5 by mojsterr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 5 1 hour ago, mojsterr said: What are your thoughts on Imane? Well, she identifies as a woman but also has an advantage over other women. People attack her over her identity and use her medical leak as an excuse to refer to her as a man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 5 Yeah I agree. I don't want to get into that. The main issue is just competing in women's sports. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 5 (edited) Maybe a new category could be created for women, or the identity aside, they could compete with anyone who is in the same category. Edited November 5 by Nemra Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 5 40 minutes ago, mojsterr said: Ok, I guess I should have worded it better. It should be more like "Imane Khelif officially shouldn't compete in women's sports". Because this is the real issue I wanted to address. I was too quick. Thats fine, I think its not impossible to make the argument possibly why you wouldn't necessarily want to include intersex people in women's sports. I do think though, that its not straightforward and requires some reflection on a lot of things ( I personally havent thought deeply about any of these things, so im just going to throw stuff out there) So for instance: Creating a more clear concept and boundary around what it means for someone to have an unfair advantage. Reflecting on the reasoning behind why you would or wouldn't want to maintain seperate categories and then ideally backing it up with empirical evidence (if empirical claims are made) Before arguing about the purpose of dividing sports based on sex, maybe its more easy to argue whether the division between natural and not natural categories should be maintained (or created in some cases) in the firstplace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 5 (edited) LeBron James is celebrated while trans and intersex athletes are not. That’s our current situation. It’ll take a good 20+ years before they’re accepted. Just like how it took time for Black athletes to be accepted. Edited November 5 by Yimpa I AM false Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 5 People who have a huge advantage have won most of the time and been admired. The fact that some people are dramatizing over this tells me that it's mostly about identity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 5 1 minute ago, Nemra said: People who have a huge advantage have won most of the time and been admired. The fact that some people are dramatizing over this tells me that it's mostly about identity. How about men, trans, women and children all compete in the same category? Humanity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 5 I did not know about the existence of intersex athletes, so this is also new to me. I honestly don’t care about too much about sports, but here we are ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I AM false Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 5 (edited) 10 minutes ago, PurpleTree said: How about men, trans, women and children all compete in the same category? Humanity. I didn't imply that everyone could compete with each other for the same thing. But tell me a sport where there haven't been certain individuals who haven't been admired for their winnings for a long period of time. Edited November 5 by Nemra Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 5 9 minutes ago, Nemra said: I didn't imply that everyone could compete with each other for the same thing. But tell me a sport where there haven't been certain individuals who haven't been admired for their winnings for a long period of time. So you don’t want to be inclusive? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
