Perfect sleep as soon as you can.

[ricachica]

I was taking a 10am Psychology of Sleep class once in my early 20’s…I had to drop the class cause I kept nodding off and couldn’t pay attention. It was interesting though! I could handle the class now since I go to bed @11pm instead of 2am 😌

 

Yes, that was a great synopsis of the importance of sleep that you shared. Sleep is absolutely the best thing you can do…next to fasting after certain times…which I don’t do but heard wonders of. Fasting sounds a lot harder to incorporate unfortunately.

[Human Mint]

On 25/11/2024 at 1:34 AM, Sandroew said:

I bought the book on audible, going to listen to it when I get to it. (Im extremely busy now).

Is there an answer to why the fuck do I regularly wake up at ungodly times like 4 am? Lol

Nice! Matthew's writing style is very easy going.

There sure is an answer. Just stumbled uppon this video today, it may give you a hint.

[Human Mint]

On 25/11/2024 at 4:27 AM, ricachica said:

I was taking a 10am Psychology of Sleep class once in my early 20’s…I had to drop the class cause I kept nodding off and couldn’t pay attention.

Lol 

[trenton]

I have been struggling with insomnia for many years. My doctors have given me so many pills, but once I start getting weaned off of them, my sleep problems come right back. Now my doctors think that trauma is making my brain refuse to shut down. I have no idea which trauma caused my sleeping problems. Even when I do get to sleep after hours, I wake up hours early and can't get back to sleep. I can only ever sleep when I'm knocked out by a bunch of pills.

[integral]

On 2024-11-05 at 9:12 AM, Schizophonia said:

I was severely insomniac for 2 years, until 4 sleepless nights on a week ; Not sleeping is an absolute nightmare.

lol those are rookie numbers in this bracket. Got to pump up that suffering if you expect results from this line of work.

I did 12 years, of unimaginable depths of despair sleep deprivation. And then managed to figure out what was causing the problem and resolve it.

[integral]

28 minutes ago, trenton said:

I have been struggling with insomnia for many years. My doctors have given me so many pills, but once I start getting weaned off of them, my sleep problems come right back. Now my doctors think that trauma is making my brain refuse to shut down. I have no idea which trauma caused my sleeping problems. Even when I do get to sleep after hours, I wake up hours early and can't get back to sleep. I can only ever sleep when I'm knocked out by a bunch of pills.

You likely have multiple chemical sensitivity. Everyone has it, but some people it affect their sleep and destroys their quality of life. If there’s a scented candle somewhere three rooms away from me it will severely disrupt my sleep and if I try to sleep in an environment that’s heavily scented it causes severe sleep deprivation and chaotic voices in the head.  I’m telling you this because no human will ever tell you this and you’ll never get this answer anywhere else. No doctor will ever explain this to you and you’ll likely never figure it out yourself.

laundry detergent that your bedsheets are washed with destroy your quality of sleep, and if your sensitive prevent sleep. The list of things that need to be removed from the house are too long for me to put into this post, how this works is you need zero exposure.

Someone with a peanut allergy requires zero exposure to peanuts. You require zero exposure to sent of any kind, especially flowery sents.

The probability that you’re taking anything I’m saying seriously is very low, but I can assure you this is very serious and likely the cause of your issue.

Sent disrupts hormones and is psychoactive putting you in a state of high cortisol while you’re trying to go to sleep. This is what causes your brain not to be able to shut off.

But there is a exact opposite thing that could happen that some sents cause sedation and cause you to fall asleep immediately, the issue with this is it’s the disrupting your hormones in a way that causes you to be very very tired. That sounds like a good thing but it’s not cause your body does not recover at all and you could sleep a lot with zero recovery and then you start having kidney pain as well as other kind of issues.

A lot of people have morbid obesity and a bunch of issues because their breathing hormone disrupting Air while they sleep their entire lives. It just doesn’t prevent them from falling asleep like in your case.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 05:52 AM by integral

[trenton]

@integral I started reading about the symptoms for multiple chemical sensitivity. You seem pretty confident that this is the cause of my problem. I don't seem to match the symptoms like nausea, skin rashes, and others. The closest match might be trouble breathing which happens throughout the day when I start breathing heavily and getting light headed. I don't know if this is related to muscle spasms.

When I tried to sleep last night it was more like a sense of hyperactivity taking over. It led to a lot of tossing and turning. Sometimes there is a hyper awareness that keeps my brain from shutting down. These sleeping problems started when I was a young child and have progressively worsened over the course of my life. I thought that I was having more trouble sleeping than most even when I was about 5. I'm not sure what other symptoms to describe. What should I be looking for in my case? What chemicals should I be avoiding and How do I do it? I'm about to move in with a cat lady, so this might cause even more sleeping problems.

Does the situation I'm describing still sound like MCS? My instinct was to not take you seriously, but since you mentioned that, I'm trying to take this more seriously.

[M A J I]

Step 1: Go to the mountains far away from civilization and artificial noises.

Step 2: Pitch a tent, ditch your phone, fast from food or eat light, no later than 4pm.

Step 3: Hike all day and read a little if desired, or meditate, sun-gaze.

Enjoy the perfect nights sleep.

[integral]

3 hours ago, trenton said:

@integral I started reading about the symptoms for multiple chemical sensitivity. You seem pretty confident that this is the cause of my problem. I don't seem to match the symptoms like nausea, skin rashes, and others. The closest match might be trouble breathing which happens throughout the day when I start breathing heavily and getting light headed. I don't know if this is related to muscle spasms.

When I tried to sleep last night it was more like a sense of hyperactivity taking over. It led to a lot of tossing and turning. Sometimes there is a hyper awareness that keeps my brain from shutting down. These sleeping problems started when I was a young child and have progressively worsened over the course of my life. I thought that I was having more trouble sleeping than most even when I was about 5. I'm not sure what other symptoms to describe. What should I be looking for in my case? What chemicals should I be avoiding and How do I do it? I'm about to move in with a cat lady, so this might cause even more sleeping problems.

Does the situation I'm describing still sound like MCS? My instinct was to not take you seriously, but since you mentioned that, I'm trying to take this more seriously.

Yes, inhaling certain scents can cause you to be in a chronic state of stress, and your brain cannot shut off. I spent 12 years trying to figure this out with the exact same symptoms you have, and mine also started when I was a child but got much worse around age 20-35.

The scientific community does not fully understand what multiple chemical sensitivity is. The way to make sense of this is through experimentation, not just reading labels of symptoms. Trying to figure things out by reading labels will cost you the next 10 years of your life.

I get no other symptoms from multiple chemical sensitivity except for brain activity. It causes stimulation and prevents the body from relaxing and the brain from turning off.

The moment you stop inhaling all of that stuff, your whole body will instantly relax. You’ll be in shock and then you’ll say to yourself, “It wasn’t all in my head. I’ve been lied to.”

What you’re inhaling causes stimulation because you’re sensitive to it.

I know it’s hard to believe, which is why I mentioned you might not take it seriously. Scent appears innocent, but it’s not. For people who have an allergy to flowers, their main symptom is just dizziness. You don’t need to get rashes or other symptoms. In our case, it causes stimulation.

You have to avoid everything. No detergent besides vinegar and baking soda. No scented candles of any kind. No cigarettes or vape. Wash your floors with vinegar or just water, nothing else. Dishwashing soap, laundry soap, all of that has to go.

And this is very hard when living with someone else because they are heavy users of every possible scent. It is deeply rooted in our culture for the past 100 years and marketed into our culture, all these scented, toxic chemicals. Your sheets specifically have to be washed multiple times with water before you get everything out, and even then, I had to throw mine away and buy new ones. All your clothes have to be re-washed. Just having your clothes in the same room with you can trigger your sensitivity.

This is hard.

Removing all scents is actually very challenging and can be a massive derailment of people’s lives in some cases. Ideally, you need to live alone, but I assume you’re struggling financially because you can barely sleep. And I don’t blame you. I did the same thing.

Edited Thursday at 04:55 PM by integral

[caspex]

I decided to see yesterday how much I needed to sleep actually. I decided I'll let myself sleep as long as I want. To my surprise, I fell asleep at 7:30 PM, when I woke up it was 2:50AM and I felt energized, but I felt like I could sleep again, so just after 2 minutes, I closed my eyes again and it was 7:30AM.

I slept for a good 12 hours. After which, at 10AM, I took another nap for 2 hours. I think my body really needs the sleep right now due to the stress. I had dreams for the first time in the last few months and a bunch of them were nightmares. I was in fact loudly mumbling the screams from my dream, my father had to comfort me.

What I have learnt is that sleep is very important. Neglect it and it's not just the physical aspect of your being that'll suffer. I am feeling sleepy right now too, I am heading off.

[trenton]

@integral are you telling me I shouldn't use deodorant either? What about body wash and shampoo when I take a warm shower before bed? Does this make my sleep worse? How do you clean yourself and make sure you don't stink?

Once I move in with cat lady, this is gonna be a thousand times harder.

[integral]

1 hour ago, trenton said:

@integral are you telling me I shouldn't use deodorant either? What about body wash and shampoo when I take a warm shower before bed? Does this make my sleep worse? How do you clean yourself and make sure you don't stink?

All of that stuff is scented. You need to purchase un-fragranced products; "unscented" products often have added fragrances (avoid). The safest bet is to avoid all of that for now, wash yourself carefully with water, and be thorough. For body odor, you could put baking soda under your armpits; this is the safest solution. The main ingredient in many deodorants is baking soda, so instead of using deodorant, just use baking soda directly. You just put a bit on your armpits, and it destroys all smell for about 3 days. The other issue is the laundry machine you're going to use is going to be contaminated. So you cannot use that machine. In the worst case scenarios you wash your clothes in the bathtub.

I know this all sounds extreme, but the issue is society is completely ignorant about the hormone blocking effects of all of these chemicals. We live in a toxic environment.

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Once I move in with cat lady, this is gonna be a thousand times harder.

If this turns out to be your issue, moving out, securing your finances, and living independently will become much easier. You'll be able to sleep like a normal person, work, and engage in activities as a normal person would. You'll get your life back.

I'm developing a product that involves a tube placed outside the window, which pumps fresh air into a mask you can wear while sleeping. Unfortunately I haven't begun production yet because I'm working on another product.

Edited Thursday at 07:14 PM by integral

[Nilsi]

On 9.11.2024 at 7:15 PM, Human Mint said:

Like if you blame your nighttime shift then that's your own foolishness.

Wtf? Seriously, nothing is more disgusting than bourgeois biohackers.

Nobody’s stoked about night shifts, obviously. But for a hell of a lot of people, it’s not a choice .- it’s survival. They’re doing what they have to to keep themselves and their families afloat. 

[Human Mint]

11 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

it’s not a choice .- it’s survival. They’re doing what they have to to keep themselves and their families afloat. 

Not true. A 9-5 job doesn't even get close to your sleeping window. Is the fact that you and most people won't take seriously what the summary I wrote says. Whowever, there are jobs that will inherently prevent good sleep for the employees. Like a nurse on duty or a night-time shift police officer. They then, almost for sure, will rely on estimulants just to function.

But again, sleep deprivation is ingrained in society and somehow thought of as a professional attitude. The less you sleep, the more professional you're considered. The more you sleep, the more lazy and lack of moral you're considered. 

Sleeping good is actually not hard. The hard part is going against the norms of society which is by default a messed up sleep schedule.

[Nilsi]

2 hours ago, Human Mint said:

Not true. A 9-5 job doesn't even get close to your sleeping window. Is the fact that you and most people won't take seriously what the summary I wrote says. Whowever, there are jobs that will inherently prevent good sleep for the employees. Like a nurse on duty or a night-time shift police officer. They then, almost for sure, will rely on estimulants just to function.

But again, sleep deprivation is ingrained in society and somehow thought of as a professional attitude. The less you sleep, the more professional you're considered. The more you sleep, the more lazy and lack of moral you're considered. 

Sleeping good is actually not hard. The hard part is going against the norms of society which is by default a messed up sleep schedule.

Oh, totally, those pathetic nurses and cops are such sheep for working night shifts - clearly, they should stick it to society by refusing to conform to such oppressive norms.

[Human Mint]

@Nilsi I don't know what to respond you

[Human Mint]

The obvious source of bad sleep, caffeine:

Maybe it makes you consider quitting. It is like a drug epidemic.

[trenton]

@integral what should I do about toothpaste? Does all of this have to be done alongside a certain diet? Where did you learn about all of this so I can check out more? I would like to see a list of everything I need to get rid of.

[integral]

1 hour ago, trenton said:

@integral what should I do about toothpaste? Does all of this have to be done alongside a certain diet? Where did you learn about all of this so I can check out more? I would like to see a list of everything I need to get rid of.

Yes, toothpaste is toxic, but you don’t have to worry about it too much because it’s not in the air while you’re sleeping.

It’s possible you also have food sensitivities that can keep you awake. This might be a lot easier for you to experiment with because all you have to do is an elimination diet. For example, avoid all gluten for a month and see if that improves your sleep quality.

YouTube is the best resource, search healthy living, healthy lifestyles. All the advice is fairly solid as long as you don’t go to extreme. Continue eating meat, continue eating vegetables, continue eating fats. Eat balanced, use healthier versions of every product that are not produced by greedy corporations. Breathe clean air. Exercise at least 30 minutes a day solidly.

Ironically, for people who have a sleeping disorder following a healthy sleep routine doesn’t work. For example, the book recommended in this topic does not help people who have a pre-existing sleep condition. It’s good to maximize health but if you already have a problem, then you have to resolve and figure out what the problem is. And if you follow a bunch of sleep rules, it generally makes the situation worse, because you’re overthinking sleep, and you’re not addressing the core issue.

The issue is your body is being stimulated by something and it’s not all in your head. You do not have a mental disorder. 

Edited Friday at 02:55 AM by integral

[trenton]

12 minutes ago, integral said:

The issue is your body is being stimulated by something and it’s not all in your head. You do not have a mental disorder. 

@integral if you are right about this, then that changes literally everything I have been doing for the past seven years. My doctors have been telling me my sleeping problems were caused by hypervigilance due to PTSD and trauma. I have been seeking treatment for PTSD, OCD, autism, depression, and anxiety. If my diagnosis was a misinterpretation of my reactions to chemicals, then what the fuck have I been doing for the past seven years reading all these books on emotions and psychology only to still hate myself automatically? I have been going to treatment centers and group therapy to get on all kinds of pills only for my problems to return as soon as I get weaned off the pills.

Maybe the reason therapy was ineffective was because it didn't address the problem. I even started to wonder if me seeking help was a mistake because it felt like spinning my wheels in the mud. Thank you for opening my eyes to this new possibility.