Is enlightenment even possible?

[Princess Arabia]

10 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

What I’m shooting for is dissolution of the self, if that’s possible. Whatever that entails: equanimity or whatever, “I’m” in for it

What you're looking for is a dissolution of the meanings you ascribe to what's happening. No meaning, no suffering. You're suffering the meanings you give to the experience not the experience itself 

[Sugarcoat]

7 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

What you're looking for is a dissolution of the meanings you ascribe to what's happening. No meaning, no suffering. You're suffering the meanings you give to the experience not the experience itself 

I don’t suffer mentally lately, and when I suffer physically it feels it’s independent of meaning applied to it. It just doesn’t feel good

[Breakingthewall]

It is possible but it is somewhat difficult since the human mind works at a frequency that closes to enlightenment. dualities, concepts and timeline, and it is extremely difficult to get out of there. but on the other hand it is something obviously possible since you are existence therefore you just have to open yourself to what you are.

Right now I have a closed mind, and since I already know what this game is about, I don't try to conceptualize or think about what reality is and all that. I know that if I meditate for two days, perhaps with a very low dose of LSD or weed, at a given moment the amplitude becomes manifest and I know what I am outside of time, but I can't think about it. It is always in the background nearby, but I can easily enter mental loops of suffering too, since I am in the mundane life, I depend on money, on relationships with people, on future prospects, so that means not being enlightened, but I know what is enlightenment for a moment, a few minutes, hours. see through the veil of form.

I think anyone can do it, but I don't know how to live there permanently. Maybe meditating 3, 4 hours a day is possible. and doing emotional cleansing work, abandoning any need to be accepted, loved, to have a future, a worldly purpose. It is a change of angle that requires time, even if you have seen through the veil. Maybe it's impossible, but really it's not so important since if you have seen through the veil you know that you are at home since you are what is, even it's impossible to understand it now. Suffering can happen, and very deep, but that's life. Let's see how clean can be my mind, probably never totally, but as much as I can

[tuku747]

You are literally LIGHT ☀️🌈

If that isn't "enlightened", I don't know what is!!

Edited November 4 by tuku747

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, tuku747 said:

You are literally LIGHT

If that isn't "enlightened", I don't know what is!!

That made me laugh for some reason. Does science say we are light or where does it come from ?

[Sugarcoat]

@tuku747 why do you say “brains do not exist” it happened to catch my attention 

[Ishanga]

@Sugarcoat Forget all this Non Dual, Enlightenment, meaning/no meaning talk, it will confuse You.

Right Now or maybe at certain times You feel a sense of Suffering Yes or No?  If yes, disregard what anyone is telling You about what they think Reality is or isn't, deal with this sense of Suffering!

Ask Yourself and come to Your own answers, Is Suffering healthy for You or not? Don't let anyone answer this for You! 

Then decided what You want to do about it, keep on experiencing what You are experiencing, or change it!  If You want to change it then You must seek the way to change it, because obviously what Your doing now is not working right? If You don't want to change it keep on doing what Your doing..

My General sense when ppl come on here and ask for opinions on what to do about something, or what something is, at the end of the conversation they are more confused than when they first asked the question, which leads to endless questions and no transformation or even change in experience..

 

Edited November 4 by Ishanga

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

@Sugarcoat Forget all this Non Dual, Enlightenment, meaning/no meaning talk, it will confuse You.

Right Now or maybe at certain times You feel a sense of Suffering Yes or No?  If yes, disregard what anyone is telling You about what they think Reality is or isn't, deal with this sense of Suffering!

Ask Yourself and come to Your own answers, Is Suffering healthy for You or not? Don't let anyone answer this for You! 

Then decided what You want to do about it, keep on experiencing what You are experiencing, or change it!  If You want to change it then You must seek the way to change it, because obviously what Your doing now is not working right? If You don't want to change it keep on doing what Your doing..

 

It’s not very confusing. I tend to separate between the absolute truth and relative truths to not get confused.

 

yes I feel a sense of suffering at times. And I want to change it. The suffering is in a way healthy but still unpleasant. I’m trying to deal with it and seeking a way to change it. I’m going to therapy for example. 
 

but you gave a sound answer thanks. 

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

It’s not very confusing. I tend to separate between the absolute truth and relative truths to not get confused.

 

yes I feel a sense of suffering at times. And I want to change it. The suffering is in a way healthy but still unpleasant. I’m trying to deal with it and seeking a way to change it. I’m going to therapy for example. 
 

but you gave a sound answer thanks. 

How is suffering healthy if it is unpleasant? How is unpleasantness healthy for us? Why do ppl try help other ppl get out of unpleasantness if its healthy?

Pain is healthy, Suffering is unhealthy in all aspects in my experience..

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

How is suffering healthy if it is unpleasant? How is unpleasantness healthy for us? Why do ppl try help other ppl get out of unpleasantness if its healthy?

Pain is healthy, Suffering is unhealthy in all aspects in my experience..

Depends on the suffering. I just thought if it might teach me something. And make me stronger mentally if I go through it maybe. But that’s just me trying to have a positive attitude. 
 

how is pain healthy but the rest not?

 

but yes in general suffering is unhealthy. I agree. Stress contributes to inflammation and all, it’s even unhealthy for the body

Edited November 4 by Sugarcoat

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

Depends on the suffering. I just thought if it might teach me something. And make me stronger mentally if I go through it maybe. 
 

how is pain healthy but the rest not?

 

but yes in general suffering is unhealthy. I agree. Stress contributes to inflammation and all, it’s even unhealthy for the body

Pain tells You your physical and mental limits, if Your not aware of this, then this embodied life will be for sure short and full of suffering, just imagine if ppl had no sense of pain at all, what they would do to themselves..so in that sense its healthy as a survival tool on that level.  Suffering is reliving this pain artificially via the mind and it going out of control.. Like so called successful ppl, that have fame, travel, money, their doing what they luv to do, etc,, and suffer it, its understandable that if life is hard, living in a war zone, lost luv'd via an accident, or some other tragedy, then okay the suffering will be there, but when none of that is happening, things are going well and ppl still suffer it.. That means that suffering is self created, and as You say its unhealthy for the body and mind..

Too many on here deny the body and mind aspect of Reality for a Human, doing so causes more suffering, but they still eat food, and work to make $$, makes no sense and is a complete contradiction.. from what they say to the actions they perform..hypocrites essentially in this aspect of understanding reality.. 

[Sugarcoat]

10 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Pain tells You your physical and mental limits, if Your not aware of this, then this embodied life will be for sure short and full of suffering, just imagine if ppl had no sense of pain at all, what they would do to themselves..so in that sense its healthy as a survival tool on that level.  Suffering is reliving this pain artificially via the mind and it going out of control.. Like so called successful ppl, that have fame, travel, money, their doing what they luv to do, etc,, and suffer it, its understandable that if life is hard, living in a war zone, lost luv'd via an accident, or some other tragedy, then okay the suffering will be there, but when none of that is happening, things are going well and ppl still suffer it.. That means that suffering is self created, and as You say its unhealthy for the body and mind..

Too many on here deny the body and mind aspect of Reality for a Human, doing so causes more suffering, but they still eat food, and work to make $$, makes no sense and is a complete contradiction.. from what they say to the actions they perform..hypocrites essentially in this aspect of understanding reality.. 

Okay I see your point about pain.

 

i agree about the self created suffering too. It’s like how the mind works it always finds a way to suffer even if circumstances are “good”.

in what way do people deny the body and mind aspect of reality? Ofc it can’t be overlooked

[NoSelfSelf]

When one is enlightened there is always a choice to remain in the "source" or be in "the ego" you could then ask who is doing it,well its just a matter of change of focus from where does absolute looks.

Enlightment is very real,only real thing there is but to sacrefice your human experience is not an easy decision.

[Sugarcoat]

54 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It is possible but it is somewhat difficult since the human mind works at a frequency that closes to enlightenment. dualities, concepts and timeline, and it is extremely difficult to get out of there. but on the other hand it is something obviously possible since you are existence therefore you just have to open yourself to what you are.

Right now I have a closed mind, and since I already know what this game is about, I don't try to conceptualize or think about what reality is and all that. I know that if I meditate for two days, perhaps with a very low dose of LSD or weed, at a given moment the amplitude becomes manifest and I know what I am outside of time, but I can't think about it. It is always in the background nearby, but I can easily enter mental loops of suffering too, since I am in the mundane life, I depend on money, on relationships with people, on future prospects, so that means not being enlightened, but I know what is enlightenment for a moment, a few minutes, hours. see through the veil of form.

I think anyone can do it, but I don't know how to live there permanently. Maybe meditating 3, 4 hours a day is possible. and doing emotional cleansing work, abandoning any need to be accepted, loved, to have a future, a worldly purpose. It is a change of angle that requires time, even if you have seen through the veil. Maybe it's impossible, but really it's not so important since if you have seen through the veil you know that you are at home since you are what is, even it's impossible to understand it now. Suffering can happen, and very deep, but that's life. Let's see how clean can be my mind, probably never totally, but as much as I can

Yea I agree it’s like neurological too in a way, this sense of self, how closed it is. It’s such a deep structure that maintains itself, and difficult to get out of as you say. 
But as you say if I am in the absolute sense not separated, there must be a way to “see” this. 
 

my mind is closed too. I was thinking if there is something that can be done practically to get out of this, to see the non separatedness, if there’s any correlation between practices and seeing this. As you mention long meditation etc. I will see what I try for myself. I thought there must be something that is “correlated” and can contribute to one “seeing” the truth. Thanks for sharing your experience so I know it’s possible. I remember once a few years ago I did this self inquiry of trying to locate the I. And for one moment it was like I couldn’t locate it, I’m not fully sure but it might have been a “glimpse”. Once again suggesting that there might possibly be a link between practice and “seeing “  this truth.
 

and yes it’s the permanent aspect that seems almost impossible. But what you’re onto is a good start. Opening yourself for brief moments from time to time. It’s something to start with. Maybe I’ll get there one day.

i do have experience though of shedding layers of my mind. It’s like this ego has many layers to it, and you can break them down one by one. But after each layer dissolves it feels expansive but then it closes again. 
 

and yes suffering is part of life. It’s very difficult to accept this. 
 

 

Edited November 4 by Sugarcoat

[Eph75]

@Sugarcoat

Ultimately this ego of ours is the only thing we have.

You can shed layers that makes it easier to navigate and cope this reality of ours.

Learn things like emotional management and life strategies. 

You can shift consciousness states, through meditation, taking drugs, but you'll slip right back into "this" simply because "this" is it. 

If the issue isn't "this" but how "this" is being experienced, what needs to shift is the paradigm by which you relate to "this". 

Therein lies enlightenment. 

First step is awakening within "this", the illusion or dream reality that is the mental projection of the ego itself. 

That projection is like viewing something through a skewed lense which adds all kinds of distortions adding false sensations and perceptions. 

Don't get distracted by all the nonsense going-ons this dreamy thing throws in your face.

This forum and all the blind-leading-the-blind nonsense written from those who don't see themselves being part of that. 

Shift all your focas back onto yourself and question who you are, ask yourself "who am I" , without looking to find out who you are, because there won't be an answer, but rather verifing step by step who you're not. 

There's not much else you can do - enlightenment isn't a choice in that sense. It's a byproduct of relentless consistency and the shedding of that which desire enlightenment itself.

You won't find the answer here, likely the opposite, structures and conceptualization that entrench your mind within that which you try to escape. 

Only when the paradigm shifts you can see that nothing moved. It's simply the focal length of the apparature watching that needs tweaking to see that "this" isn't good nor bad, not right not wrong, it simple is within the experience of experiencing. You shedding the skewed lens that allows you to experience this for what it is - nothing in particular. It's unspectacular in that sense.

 

 

 

[Spiritual Warfare]

Enlightenment is a construct. You will never get a complete answer about existence, even if it feels that way in the moment.

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Enlightenment is a construct. You will never get a complete answer about existence, even if it feels that way in the moment.

You will never get any answers seemingly there are no answers to those questions.

[Eph75]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

You will never get any answers seemingly there are no answers to those questions.

Doesn't matter if the question itself dissolves - which it does. 

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Eph75 said:

Doesn't matter if the question itself dissolves - which it does. 

I agree. Seeking answers seems like a trap.

But there is already no free will to do it or not anyway. Seeking that is.

[Sugarcoat]

53 minutes ago, NoSelfSelf said:

When one is enlightened there is always a choice to remain in the "source" or be in "the ego" you could then ask who is doing it,well its just a matter of change of focus from where does absolute looks.

Enlightment is very real,only real thing there is but to sacrefice your human experience is not an easy decision.

Are you enlightened is that how you know this? That’s why your name is noselfself right. I’m ready to sacrifice my human experience I just feel my “self” structure is maintaining itself and hard to break through. I did though over a year ago have this one massive permanent shift I don’t even know what to call it so I’m a bit confused sometimes like, am I awakened already or not. You always give interesting answers. Could you describe more this shift between source and ego if you want