Is enlightenment even possible?

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Davino said:

You wanna end suffering?

I'm quite agnostic about such possibility 

Probably Buddhism will suit you. Vipassana and insights practices work great in that sense. You can do retreats. Regarding books: Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha. The new book of Peter Ralston: Ending Unnecessary Suffering may come in also handy.

Regarding psychedelics in your case would recommend 5meo, Ketamine and Salvia.

Associate yourself with people who may have achieved that and learn from them.

Yes. That I want.

I'm also skeptical of that possibility. Nobody escapes suffering.

thanks for the info I’ll see what I’ll implement

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Sugarcoat quick illustration below, taken from our pop-culture:

This was and is achieveable by many so-called ordinary people that never have been to any ashram, never have taken any psychedelics, never have done anything wow!-extraordinary. I have met quite a lot of them around me. Very casual, silent yet powerful beings. Most of them quite old, but there are exceptions. One is a young woman that works with my wife with many severe and very serious health disorders. Yet having a boyfriend, and against all odds trying to lead a normal life. This case is actually mind blowing... my hat off to her... Yes, mahavatars live around us, just pay attention. You may be enormously inspired and pushed forward just by observing such beings. As Neem Karoli Baba once said: it's in You🙏👊

[Davino]

@Sugarcoat Overall, you'll have to develop the horizontal baseline state of consciousness axis. That come with a lot fo constant everyday practice, to rewire your whole body, mind and conscious experience to make it non localized.

Regarding buddhism, if you wanna make it stable dzogchen and mahamudra will eventually deliver that after basics and medium practices are stablished after a decade of work.

You can also work on fearless states of consciousness (mahakalabhairava in hinduism)

The first time I experienced freedom from suffering, pain, fear and death was on mushrooms + MDMA. Absolutely crazy awakening

Yet I had not the skills to lock that state of consciousness. You may develop the horizontal conscious skills to make a bedrock

[Davino]

Moreover, consider that if you get free from suffering you also get free from pleasure

This is why I decided not to pursue it too much. I've experienced the Equanimous states of consciousness

It's like instead of experiencing a myriad of ice cream flavours, both exquise and horrible, with all in the middle

All you taste, at everytime, everywhere, is an almost imperceptible background vanilla, Equanimity

I didn't like it that much honestly, some people love it though and decide to abide in an Equanimous Mind

[gettoefl]

Have to treat every encounter as the most important and precious moment of your entire life

And it is

You are being granted an audience with the divine in every communication you engage in

To join with every mind is to dispel all silly illusions

the main half dozen being separation suffering sickness sin specialness scarcity

This doesn't happen spontaneously

Set the intention and push yourself to implement becoming one with existence

Edited November 4 by gettoefl

[Princess Arabia]

4 hours ago, Davino said:

As we speak there are hundreds of yogis in the Himalayas doing 18h+ of Sadhana, all day, everyday, for decades

Proof there's no such thing. Don't kid yourself. You will rebut my statement, but that's just mind and thought - just like mine. If I did that, I'd be away from all this mess too and think i'm enlightening myself. Don't care what your rebuttals say.

[James123]

@Sugarcoat of course it is possible. 

[Sugarcoat]

4 hours ago, LoseYourvelf said:

Some people have a really hard time integrating hallucinations

 

If there is a God you best hope you're accounting for this stuff perfectly because I can vouch that God would be unfaceably terrifying, intelligent, powerful and all knowing. No man on earth right now has the time, nerve, awareness, intelligence or competency to pin down what a God would be like..

 

Kk now you've understood this, who is Leo, as a teacher? What is he teaching us? I really want to know this

 

Because sounds like if there is this God, if you had been just y'know, teaching whatever was at the forefront, professionalising your stream of consciousness, you would have failed shockingly and scarily, absolutely you would have.

 

I just don't know where to go from here. Leo is human. It's ego then. 

 

Okay, so now you've got to separate Leo from all your spirituality because of the way he understood his trip and what he chose to teach.

Come on, this guy has had a silver spoon in his mouth his whole life, his "hardest battle" was food addiction. Of course he thinks geese shit gold eggs man, haha.

 

So yeah no, God isn't real, Leo hasn't met or proved him. He just doesn't realise how potent symmetry of the universe and nature can be..

 

If you're here under the pretence of Leo's teachings you are a stupid little sheep

 

Also I just want to say, this guy is pulling HARD CASH out of this shit ever yday, on socials/youtube and through you little goblins paying him. The universe still ticks on in the background of your stupidity, every single day.

 

You need to teach yourself you are fucking lying to yourself for the love of shortcuts and cozy-cope-thought if you think Leo has one answer to give you. He's got 300 days of waffle to give you from this point right now. Lock in.

 

He misteaches solipsism because he has misrelated it to hallucinations, life is undefinably otherly and has a mind of its own, everyone knows this from cradle to grave except Leo, he knows other is him through and through.

 

Gosh I hope this turns your stomach to read cos it turns my stomach to type

 

A man with such professional film skills could contribute such beauty except he believes his human and his mind is the true beauty, even though he also admits he is around stage blue!?

 

I'm a troll and I don't like you people here in this community, you have huge egos and think you have all the answers. I know this place is built on a false premise so I know all those here are here on a false premise acting falsely

lol😂what’s your main point?

[Sugarcoat]

4 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Find a quality Guru, You need assistance with this for sure, as we all do.

If You Accept Everything as it is, Live Now Absolutely(Use past to become wise from), Respond rather than react, then suffering is not possible, work on these basic three, and they are not mental exercises, its goes deeper than that!

I’ll look into gurus. Thanks. 

im somewhat peaceful most of the time. It’s hard to accept suffering though. I don’t dwell on past, I would say I respond rather than react so I got those two down. It’s the embrace of the ugly aspects of life that is hard. 

[Davino]

48 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Proof there's no such thing. Don't kid yourself. You will rebut my statement, but that's just mind and thought - just like mine. If I did that, I'd be away from all this mess too and think i'm enlightening myself. Don't care what your rebuttals say.

I didn't get what you were trying to say. 

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

I didn't get what you were trying to say. 

The world is an illusion. There's no enlightenment that's why they seek in a cave for decades. Looking for something illusory. There's not even non-enlightenment. There's just nothing concrete or stable period. It's all man-made by the senses that aren't even telling us the true nature of Reality. The eyes don't even see anything they are only information machines. Telling the subconscious how to create your made-up world that you then perceive through the mind and then think it's real. How can they find something that's not even there. Relative or not.

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

I’ll look into gurus. Thanks. 

im somewhat peaceful most of the time. It’s hard to accept suffering though. I don’t dwell on past, I would say I respond rather than react so I got those two down. It’s the embrace of the ugly aspects of life that is hard. 

That guru is just as made up as you. That guru is a thought at the moment and will be telling you things your subconscious will accept as true or false depending on its programming. That's why you won't accept what I'm saying because the programming rejects it. Go ahead. Just like the other minds telling you to go search, they are also deluded. Are they enlightened.

[James123]

15 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

The world is an illusion. There's no enlightenment that's why they seek in a cave for decades. Looking for something illusory. There's not even non-enlightenment. There's just nothing concrete or stable period. It's all man-made by the senses that aren't even telling us the true nature of Reality. The eyes don't even see anything they are only information machines. Telling the subconscious how to create your made-up world that you then perceive through the mind and then think it's real. How can they find something that's not even there. Relative or not.

The core point is enlightenment is illusion because the seeker is an illusion in first place. Therefore, enlightenment is real within the illusion. But when one realized that he/she is already illusion, that's enlightenment. Than enlightenment becomes an illusion. 

[PurpleTree]

6 hours ago, Davino said:

You wanna end suffering?

I'm quite agnostic about such possibility 

Probably Buddhism will suit you. Vipassana and insights practices work great in that sense. You can do retreats. Regarding books: Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha. The new book of Peter Ralston: Ending Unnecessary Suffering may come in also handy.

Regarding psychedelics in your case would recommend 5meo, Ketamine and Salvia.

Associate yourself with people who may have achieved that and learn from them.

It sounds nice but it also sounds like seeking.

[Sugarcoat]

6 hours ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

@Sugarcoat quick illustration below, taken from our pop-culture:

This was and is achieveable by many so-called ordinary people that never have been to any ashram, never have taken any psychedelics, never have done anything wow!-extraordinary. I have met quite a lot of them around me. Very casual, silent yet powerful beings. Most of them quite old, but there are exceptions. One is a young woman that works with my wife with many severe and very serious health disorders. Yet having a boyfriend, and against all odds trying to lead a normal life. This case is actually mind blowing... my hat off to her... Yes, mahavatars live around us, just pay attention. You may be enormously inspired and pushed forward just by observing such beings. As Neem Karoli Baba once said: it's in You🙏👊

Cool thanks for sharing. Im inspired by people like that young woman you mentioned who keep living despite horrible conditions. I’ve been having a rough time lately so it’s good to hear such examples. I tend to listen to myself mostly, but sometimes I like to ask others questions.

[Sugarcoat]

4 hours ago, Davino said:

@Sugarcoat Overall, you'll have to develop the horizontal baseline state of consciousness axis. That come with a lot fo constant everyday practice, to rewire your whole body, mind and conscious experience to make it non localized.

Regarding buddhism, if you wanna make it stable dzogchen and mahamudra will eventually deliver that after basics and medium practices are stablished after a decade of work.

You can also work on fearless states of consciousness (mahakalabhairava in hinduism)

The first time I experienced freedom from suffering, pain, fear and death was on mushrooms + MDMA. Absolutely crazy awakening

Yet I had not the skills to lock that state of consciousness. You may develop the horizontal conscious skills to make a bedrock

What do you mean “to make it non localized” ?

thanks for sharing the info . I’ll see what I look into

[Sugarcoat]

4 hours ago, Davino said:

Moreover, consider that if you get free from suffering you also get free from pleasure

This is why I decided not to pursue it too much. I've experienced the Equanimous states of consciousness

It's like instead of experiencing a myriad of ice cream flavours, both exquise and horrible, with all in the middle

All you taste, at everytime, everywhere, is an almost imperceptible background vanilla, Equanimity

I didn't like it that much honestly, some people love it though and decide to abide in an Equanimous Mind

What I’m shooting for is dissolution of the self, if that’s possible. Whatever that entails: equanimity or whatever, “I’m” in for it

[Sugarcoat]

4 hours ago, gettoefl said:

Have to treat every encounter as the most important and precious moment of your entire life

And it is

You are being granted an audience with the divine in every communication you engage in

To join with every mind is to dispel all silly illusions

the main half dozen being separation suffering sickness sin specialness scarcity

This doesn't happen spontaneously

Set the intention and push yourself to implement becoming one with existence

Cool thanks for sharing

[Sugarcoat]

2 hours ago, James123 said:

@Sugarcoat of course it is possible. 

Possible by like 0.1 % chance. lol maybe

[Sugarcoat]

30 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

That guru is just as made up as you. That guru is a thought at the moment and will be telling you things your subconscious will accept as true or false depending on its programming. That's why you won't accept what I'm saying because the programming rejects it. Go ahead. Just like the other minds telling you to go search, they are also deluded. Are they enlightened.

One could perhaps listen to non dual talkers and see if it ever “rings a bell” and resonates. I wouldn’t follow one guru strictly.