Is enlightenment even possible?

[Carl-Richard]

5 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Pursuing by doing spiritual practice. As I said before it’s a bit tricky because enlightenment is not a “thing”

It's definitely a thing.

[Sugarcoat]

12 minutes ago, Ajax said:

hmm... If I told you I wanted to have a professional basketball championship and I pursue it by " doing basketball practice"... what would you think?

A NBA (national basketball association) championship is not a thing for me... until the moment it is. Understand?  It may be for other people but not for me. It is not something I have... just the effect... the experience of... not the actual thing its self. A reflection of what is... in proportion to how much you put into the effect of.

Do you know where I am going with this?

No I don’t know 

[Sugarcoat]

15 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

It's definitely a thing.

I think enlightenment is permanent no self. So in that sense it’s a thing. Maybe I could say it’s something unknown, because the self can’t know the end of itself so it’s like you want something that you don’t know what it is. Basically it’s like it’s different from all other desires for defined objects 

Edited November 8 by Sugarcoat

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I think enlightenment is permanent no self. So in that sense it’s a thing. Maybe I could say it’s something unknown, because the self can’t know the end of itself so it’s like you want something that you don’t know what it is. Basically it’s like it’s different from all other desires for defined objects 

Are you afraid of death?

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, James123 said:

Are you afraid of death?

Depends on the context. If someone puts a gun to my head right now yes I will be afraid, but I think I’m just afraid of the process of dying if it would be painful. I don’t think I’m afraid of death in itself

[James123]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

Depends on the context. If someone puts a gun to my head right now yes I will be afraid, but I think I’m just afraid of the process of dying if it would be painful. I don’t think I’m afraid of death in itself

So, enlightenment is transcending the death. Which mean is permanent no self. No any survival needs, including the survival. 

[Ajax]

12 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

No I don’t know 

Super! Fantastic! That's good.  

The first step would be deciding that there is something you can know about the post. Then, take a look and keep looking until you find things you can know. The more you look, the more you know. You are putting it there and getting the effect(results) of what you put there. 

Just look, look, look and look some more.  Decide you know, look to pick up data, gradually knowing more and know what you need to know. That is the key step to spiritual practice. 

Good luck... 

Peace out.. 

LOVE

[Sugarcoat]

8 minutes ago, James123 said:

So, enlightenment is transcending the death. Which mean is permanent no self. No any survival needs, including the survival. 

Agreed. That’s my idea of enlightenment too 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

Agreed. That’s my idea of enlightenment too 

Key word, "idea". Enlightenment is only an idea.

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Ajax said:

Super! Fantastic! That's good.  

The first step would be deciding that there is something you can know about the post. Then, take a look and keep looking until you find things you can know. The more you look, the more you know. You are putting it there and getting the effect(results) of what you put there. 

Just look, look, look and look some more.  Decide you know, look to pick up data, gradually knowing more and know what you need to know. That is the key step to spiritual practice. 

Good luck... 

Peace out.. 

LOVE

Thanks

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

Key word, "idea". Enlightenment is only an idea.

For me now yes it is. 

[Ajax]

13 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Thanks

Of course. There is a law of certainty.

What is the spirit? Knowingness. 

You decide there is something you can know. You decide to know. You start looking at things... knowing more and more until you can fully perceive it and know it exactly as it is. 

The secret is in simplicity. An infinitely complex problem has an infinitely simple solution. When you can know with certainty and total knowingness that  "IT'S ME" and what does not appear to be me is just something I  am putting there to have the effect of... That you know you know. And it is perfect in its beauty and simplicity than that is as it is... its you... you are it. 

Your basic freedom is your ability to assume any viewpoint and maintain your own viewpoint... to make any viewpoint yours by decision alone.  

Edited November 8 by Ajax

[Princess Arabia]

24 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

For me now yes it is. 

The mind cannot make you enlightened. Thinking about enlightenment cannot make you enlightened. In fact, enlightenment is not something you can think your way into. The reason I say it's not a thing is because a thing implies something separate from you. A thought. Knowledge. How can one know if they're enlightened or not. Knowing you're enlightened is separation because knowledge is separation. One cannot be enlightened and know they're enlightened. Enlightenment says you have no more self and are one with everything. Who will know that. 

You are not seeking enlightenment, you are seeking liberation from thought, from the mind. That's really what you're after. That's impossible because the ego, which seeks enlightenment, is thought and mind. When you stop identifying with the ego, and realize it is not who you are, then enlightenment is the case. It already is.

Edited November 8 by Princess Arabia

[Sugarcoat]

17 minutes ago, Ajax said:

Of course. There is a law of certainty.

What is the spirit? Knowingness. 

You decide there is something you can know. You decide to know. You start looking at things... knowing more and more until you can fully perceive it and know it exactly as it is. 

The secret is in simplicity. An infinitely complex problem has an infinitely simple solution. When you can know with certainty and total knowingness that  "IT'S ME" and what does not appear to be me is just something I  am putting there to have the effect of... That you know you know. And it is perfect in its beauty and simplicity than that is as it is... its you... you are it. 

Your basic freedom is your ability to assume any viewpoint and maintain your own viewpoint... to make any viewpoint yours by decision alone.  

Cool

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

The mind cannot make you enlightened. Thinking about enlightenment cannot make you enlightened. In fact, enlightenment is not something you can think your way into. The reason I say it's not a thing is because a thing implies something separate from you. A thought. Knowledge. How can one know if they're enlightened or not. Knowing you're enlightened is separation because knowledge is separation. One cannot be enlightened and know they're enlightened. Enlightenment says you have no more self and are one with everything. Who will know that. 

You are not seeking enlightenment, you are seeking liberation from thought, from the mind. That's really what you're after. That's impossible because the ego, which seeks enlightenment, is thought and mind. When you stop identifying with the ego, and realize it is not who you are, then enlightenment is the case. It already is.

I’d agree for the most part

Edited November 8 by Sugarcoat

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

I’d agree

Of course you do. You already know this to be the case deep down. 

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Of course you do. You already know this to be the case deep down. 

I guess…

[Ajax]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

Of course you do. You already know this to be the case deep down. 

 Awesome

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Ajax said:

 Awesome

Hey, nice seeing you.❤️

[Yimpa]

Point to me where consciousness is and I’ll hand you enlightenment.