Is enlightenment even possible?

[Sugarcoat]

10 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't know, I guess that if you are totally open to the absolute all time the physical pain could be in background, same than hunger, and you are not attached to them . There are monks who burn themselves alive without moving a finger

Okay I see.

[Sugarcoat]

9 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Then it's definitely possible. The trick then is to elevate your consciousness to the point where you notice every attachment you have and how it creates a feeling of resistance. Once you encounter the resistance, you have the choice to keep resisting or let it go. Of course you always have that choice, but generally, you are unaware of the resistance, so you unconsciously keep resisting, or you don't want to let it go.

Another subtle trick is that you eventually have to let go of the techniques you use to elevate your consciousness. There is no enlightenment with attachment to enlightenment (techniques or otherwise). The simplest way to do this is to meditate for select times during the day and that is your only practice. Then when you enter states of no mind, you let go of the practice.

It doesn't matter if you use focused techniques, devotional techniques or self-inquiry. All of it causes some form of resistance if you're attached, and it's a big magic trick you have to pull off to get off at the right time and land in enlightenment.

Are you enlightened? 
 

this might sound crazy but I don’t think I have any attachments. I’ve broken them down before. 
 

I’ll see if I implement some meditation. I want some powerful technique and I’m guessing meditation is one of the most powerful. But can’t you use a technique without getting attached to it? 

[Carl-Richard]

9 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Are you enlightened? 

No. There are some things I currently don't want to let go of.

 

9 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

 this might sound crazy but I don’t think I have any attachments. I’ve broken them down before. 

Again, you might be unconscious of some of them. Some of them go very deep. For example, the very notion of doing things, of seeing another day, of being in control of your bodily movements and decisions, of not being insane, of having a life at all, must vanish. These are subtle attachments. And you might not appreciate how severe they are. The feeling of doing things, and removing that feeling, completely, forever, not as an idea but as a reality, is extremely radical. You will never make a choice ever again.

 

9 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

I’ll see if I implement some meditation. I want some powerful technique and I’m guessing meditation is one of the most powerful.

1-1.5 hour seated meditation session every day, all in a single sitting. If you want, make it two sessions (one in the morning, one in the afternoon).

Another trick is to regularly listen to or watch videos of people with high levels of consciousness, particularly people with high shakti like Jan Esmann (he is a very special case). Video technology should not be underestimated for these things. However, it's useful to avoid spending too much of your day practicing or thinking about enlightenment, again to avoid fueling attachments too much. Be immersed in other activities as well, fully. You have to allow yourself time to rest and just be yourself (which you'll see in the next paragraph).

 

9 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

But can’t you use a technique without getting attached to it? 

Maybe attachment is a confusing term here. Let's put it this way: complete relaxation won't happen if you don't completely relax at some point. That means while you're using the technique (e.g. focusing on the breath during meditation), you should "stop" the technique when it's time to do so, when your consciousness is elevated to the right level, which is usually as you are about to enter the no-mind state. The technique is no longer useful at a certain point and it in fact becomes a hindrance for abiding/resting in that state of consciousness. Enlightenment is about bringing the elevated level of consciousness to your resting state, and if you don't allow yourself to rest at that elevated state, that won't happen.

You might also find that over time, some techniques might simply stop being useful by themselves. For example, instead of focusing on the breath during meditation, you might find that simply resting with eyes closed becomes more conducive to the meditation.

Edited November 6 by Carl-Richard

[Max1993]

@Sugarcoat The ego is not the beingness. If you still feel from "your past" that is still ego. Feel like spirit is meant to feel. Why would you feel into the temporary story? 

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Max1993 said:

@Sugarcoat The ego is not the beingness. If you still feel from "your past" that is still ego. Feel like spirit is meant to feel. Why would you feel into the temporary story? 

I don’t know what you mean

[Dabidoe]

Overthinking isn't going to get you anywhere.

The thing about god, enlightenment etc. it's always going to be a single player game.

Leo can tell you about his journey but that's like watching somebody else do a pushup.

[Sugarcoat]

55 minutes ago, Dabidoe said:

Overthinking isn't going to get you anywhere.

The thing about god, enlightenment etc. it's always going to be a single player game.

Leo can tell you about his journey but that's like watching somebody else do a pushup.

I agree with you that overthinking it isn't going to get anywhere. The only good reason for this post is to possibly gain tips about what one could do to reach enlightenment. I mentioned Leo as an example of someone who is extremely devoted. Got me thinking, if he isn't yet enlightened then what's the hope for someone more casual like me. I could also use people like some monks who dedicate their life to this as an example.

[Princess Arabia]

8 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I agree with you that overthinking it isn't going to get anywhere. The only good reason for this post is to possibly gain tips about what one could do to reach enlightenment. I mentioned Leo as an example of someone who is extremely devoted. Got me thinking, if he isn't yet enlightened then what's the hope for someone more casual like me. I could also use people like some monks who dedicate their life to this as an example.

You have created a version of Leo in your mind. This stuff is quite unbelievable to watch unfold. Now you're thinking Leo is more Spiritually devoted than you, and if he's not enlightened, there's no hope for you. The fucking mind got you by the balls. You will not see what I'm saying and what im constantly saying to you because your programming is so embedded and you are attached to something you hold dearly. Not sure what that is, but you are. Your version of Leo keeps you in the dream.

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[Hojo]

@Sugarcoat masterbating is the most spiritual technique. Masterbate but focus on the energy not the images.

 

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[Sugarcoat]

5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

No. There are some things I currently don't want to let go of.

okay i see 

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5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Again, you might be unconscious of some of them. Some of them go very deep. For example, the very notion of doing things, of seeing another day, of being in control of your bodily movements and decisions, of not being insane, of having a life at all, must vanish. These are subtle attachments. And you might not appreciate how severe these things are. The feeling of doing things, and removing that feeling, completely, forever, not as an idea but as a reality, is extremely radical. You will never make a choice ever again.

 

I didn't think about those, that's why I said I have no attachments. But now that you mention them I can see how I probably have some. I thought for example because I'm not attached to any particular person, possession, looks or status etc. 

It appears as if I'm in control, doing things etc, I haven't experienced the opposite of them so I don't know if Im scared of it. I can say though when I tried 5meo dmt (small doses) it made me slightly uncomfortable and I was a bit fearful of taking higher doses so yes its a radical difference. Easier to let go in thought than in practice maybe. 

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5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

1-1.5 hour seated meditation session every day, all in a single sitting. If you want, make it two sessions (one in the morning, one in the afternoon).

Another trick is to regularly listen to or watch videos of people with high levels of consciousness, particularly people with high shakti like Jan Esmann (he is a very special case). Video technology should not be underestimated for these things. However, it's useful to avoid spending too much of your day practicing or thinking about enlightenment, again because of the attachment problem. Be immersed in other activities as well, fully. You have to allow yourself time to rest and just be yourself (which you'll see in the next paragraph).

 

 

 Im thinking of starting a meditation practice again. Sometimes I watch non duality talks on YouTube, I like them and it resonates but it hasn't yet revealed anything for me directly. I agree with you that an attachment and identity could be formed around the enlightenment practice, so better to not overthink it. I try to be present in my other activities. 

 

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5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Maybe attachment is a confusing term here. Let's put it this way: complete relaxation won't happen if you don't completely relax at some point. That means while you're using the technique (e.g. focusing on the breath during meditation), you should "stop" the technique when it's time to do so, when your consciousness is elevated to the right level, which is usually as you enter the no-mind state. The technique is no longer useful at a certain point and it in fact becomes a hindrance for abinding/resting in that state of consciousness. Enlightenment is about bringing the elevated level of consciousness to your resting state, and if you don't allow yourself to rest as you reach that elevated state, that won't happen.

You might also find that over time, some techniques simply stop being useful by themselves. For example, instead of focusing on the breath during meditation, you might find that simply resting with eyes closed becomes more conducive to the meditation.

 

I've never heard anyone mention that before. Thanks. I did meditate in the past and did the focus on breath throughout the entire session but now that you mention it I might pay attention to when I enter, if I do, the no-mind state and stop it as you say. I don't know if I managed to enter no mind state in the past but I'll see where this gets me. Thanks once again very useful response. 

 

[Sugarcoat]

6 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

You have created a version of Leo in your mind. This stuff is quite unbelievable to watch unfold. Now you're thinking Leo is more Spiritually devoted than you, and if he's not enlightened, there's no hope for you. The fucking mind got you by the balls. You will not see what I'm saying and what im constantly saying to you because your programming is so embedded and you are attached to something you hold dearly. Not sure what that is, but you are. Your version of Leo keeps you in the dream.

you mean this way of thinking is keeping the illusion alive?

[Sugarcoat]

5 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Sugarcoat masterbating is the most spiritual technique. Masterbate but focus on the energy not the images in mind. 

what energy?

[Hojo]

@Sugarcoat getting amped up is energy in the body. When you masterbate the energy in your body gets riled up.

Get close to climax stop then start imagining scenarios but only imagine 5 seconds at a time. Then let your mind interact with you. Let it make the next 5 seconds. Then you make 5 seconds and let your mind make 5 more seconds. If the mind says something to drift off then say thays good but I really wanna do this. And wait for a response.

You will see there is a thing communicating with you metaphysically. Not only while masterbating but all day. Masterbating just lets you clear your mind and focus on the body.

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[Carl-Richard]

5 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I've never heard anyone mention that before.

That's because so many people don't talk about enlightenment but awakening 

 

5 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Thanks. I did meditate in the past and did the focus on breath throughout the entire session but now that you mention it I might pay attention to when I enter, if I do, the no-mind state and stop it as you say. I don't know if I managed to enter no mind state in the past but I'll see where this gets me. Thanks once again very useful response. 

No problem  

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[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

That's because so many people don't talk about enlightenment but awakening 

 

7 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Thanks. I did meditate in the past and did the focus on breath throughout the entire session but now that you mention it I might pay attention to when I enter, if I do, the no-mind state and stop it as you say. I don't know if I managed to enter no mind state in the past but I'll see where this gets me. Thanks once again very useful response. 

No problem  

Now I'm interested in hearing what you think the difference is between enlightenment and awakening if you don't mind?

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[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Sugarcoat getting amped up is energy in the body. When you masterbate the energy in your body gets riled up.

Get close to climax stop then start imagining scenarios but only imagine 5 seconds at a time. Then let your mind interact with you. Let it make the next 5 seconds. Then you make 5 seconds and let your mind make 5 more seconds. If the mind says something to drift off then say thays good but I really wanna do this. And wait for a response.

You will see there is a thing communicating with you metaphysically. 

What do you mean by thing communicating with you metaphysically? So you switch between actively imagining scenarios vs letting mind do its own thing?

[Hojo]

@Sugarcoat you want to get close to cumming . Cumming is fully letting go if the energy. So if you get close to climax your brain won't be talking as much keep doing it then slow down. Then you can enter full communication. Not only that but it will let you see ego. You will be communicating with God and the ego will start adding things in you didn't say to God.

So get really close to cum slow down then just start imagining any scenario. Someone Knocks on your door you say consciously I wonder who it is I am walking to the door. Then you stop thinking and pay attention and look at your imagination. Yoyr imagination will make up something happening go along with it. Then you concously think you are doing something, its a handsome man what are you doing here? Wait for your imagination to answer and then keep doing it. You are now communicating with God.

When you are talking to God imagine in 1st person and try to get God to imagine in the 3rd person. Use real voices of other people and try to get sound effects and feelings  in there

 

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[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

Now I'm interested in hearing what you think the difference is between enlightenment and awakening if you don't mind?

Awakening is a radical but largely temporary experience of elevated consciousness or non-duality. Enlightenment is when the non-dual experience is your resting state.

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[Sugarcoat]

24 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Awakening is a radical but largely temporary experience of elevated consciousness or non-duality. Enlightenment is when the non-dual experience has become your resting state.

Okay i think i agree

[Sugarcoat]

30 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Sugarcoat you want to get close to cumming . Cumming is fully letting go if the energy. So if you get close to climax your brain won't be talking as much keep doing it then slow down. Then you can enter full communication. Not only that but it will let you see ego. You will be communicating with God and the ego will start adding things in you didn't say to God.

So get really close to cum slow down then just start imagining any scenario. Someone Knocks on your door you say consciously I wonder who it is I am walking to the door. Then you stop thinking and pay attention and look at your imagination. Yoyr imagination will make up something happening go along with it. Then you concously think you are doing something, its a handsome man what are you doing here? Wait for your imagination to answer and then keep doing it. You are now communicating with God.

When you are talking to God imagine in 1st person and try to get God to imagine in the 3rd person. Use real voices of other people and try to get sound effects and feelings  in there

 

Okay cool..where did you get this from?