Is enlightenment even possible?

[Davino]

20 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Sounds like horse dung.

No offence.

You would shit your pants if you ever realized what I tried to communicate 

No offence

It's like I gave you a present and you spit in my face afterwards.

It's such a pity to be God and not being able to share it, to awaken my fellow reflections.

Edited November 5 by Davino

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, NoSelfSelf said:

Trust in your experience and what you saw as your own way for your path

yes

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, NoSelfSelf said:

How i experienced on and off psychadelics is there are degrees, how much your illusion drops that much you get absorbed into conciousness like levels in video game.At one point you will notice that barrier between you and your room is broken by seeing that whole room is made out of same "substance" as you.Then you wont even notice it if you dont stop and look by being absorbed in your human experience.

Okay I see. Thanks for sharing. I’ve only experienced that lack of barrier on 5meo

Edited November 5 by Sugarcoat

[James123]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t feel I exist in deep sleep . Deep sleep is different from a state of no thought. 

İdentical. 

Deep Sleep=No thought=Before birth.

You haven't gone too far.

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, James123 said:

İdentical. 

Deep Sleep=No thought=Before birth.

You haven't gone too far.

I have gaps between my thoughts, sometimes longer, and I still feel I exist during the gaps. To me the thoughts are not the sense of self

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, Ajax said:

 Hey Sugar... I am going to tell you how it is... No BS.

The word Actualize means... To make it into a reality. 

This means that you have to have the Maslow's Hierarchy of needs completed to your satisfaction.

I listed them by level starting with "Physiological need." "Think of it like a spine... if one of these levels are not completely cleared and aligned you will have pain and suffering." "A pain in the back"

 Level 1. Is your body healthy and doing well? Are you sleeping enough? Are you eating having good nutritious foods?  Do you have clean drinking water... free of toxins?

 Level 2. How is your health? Your activity and fitness levels? Do you feel secure in your job? Are you happy with your Job? Is There room for growth or do you feel limited and squashed? Are you satisfied with your living space?  Your cars and possessions? What conditions are they in? How are your relationships with your family? Do you have deep meaningful relationships with others? Can you be assertive and not be a pushover... or take criticism and not go on the attack. Can you allow people to be without criticizing?

 Level 3. Is your relationships and conditions of love and belonging in a good condition? Do you have great meaningful friendships... how deep and meaningful are they? How about lovers/partners if you have them? Or are you 100% happy without them (The key here is your condition of love and belonging)? How connected are you to other people, things, your environment... how much love and affinity do you feel for other people? How much love and belonging can you put out and receive in exchange? Can you allow people to be without judgement and love them unconditionally? (you don't have to love what they do, just what they are without prejudice or anger, hate hostility... that is a test of your spiritual condition and your current position in generating unconditional love)

 Level 4. Self-esteem is a big subject but look at each point on the pyramid: Confident, achievements, respect for others, individuality. Write them out, find out where you are confident and where you are not. Write out your achievements write what your achievements and things you want to achieve and why and what you want to do with it.  Basically, look at both the positive and negative of each point (and every point on the pyramid). 

 Level 5.  Your success in this area depends totally on the stability of the other areas.  There are laws (technology)  ways to know and do things... and you have to be able to use them to not only handle the pyramid... but the insanities of life. There are books I could write on this... but you really have to handle the previous 4 levels first.  BE DO HAVE is one of those laws. 

Think of the pyramid as a massive wall, or window that prevents your entry into the "door to immortality" "it is a massive barrier that separates you from "Enlightenment". The opposite of blind is see. The opposite of light is dark. The Pyramid is darkness you cannot see through. You will never be enlightenment until you handle that pyramid. 

.  You have to remove every piece and clean and clear almost every piece of that pyramid until you can see clearly through the pyramid to... have enough light to "see the truth." 

 

So in your current position... Enlightenment is not possible for you.  Why? Because you got a big ass pyramid blocking your path. But you could handle that barrier and change your life if you want it  bad enough and are willing to do whatever it takes to make it happen.

 I know this doesn't seem spiritual, but you have to actualize before you spiritualize! Why? What does God do?  Turn things into reality. Two qualities of god:  God knows. God brings something out of nothing. 

If you don't know and can't actualize your reality... you are not being spiritual and certainly not being godly.  How can you "be" god, when you don't do what god does? Your limited self would rather stay behind the wall and not break through the Actualization wall and then live in fear and doubt... wanting to travel beyond but not doing what it takes to get there. 

 

I see this problem with virtually every person here. I myself am still working on this... though I have made a good deal of progress. 

Very informative . Thanks. I would say I got the basics down but for sure there is room for improvement. I dont really agree tho that you gotta get everything down before “enlightenment” . Desire for it could come before, and it can still be worth pursuing. 

[James123]

17 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I have gaps between my thoughts, sometimes longer, and I still feel I exist during the gaps. To me the thoughts are not the sense of self

İmagine with enlightenment experience you even forget to think. That's how one can realize the truth. 

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

İmagine with enlightenment experience you even forget to think. That's how one can realize the truth. 

I would imagine there would be less thoughts in an enlightened “state” or if one becomes it

[PurpleTree]

I‘m staring at this fennel at the store.

And it’s literally a cute special fennel.

It‘s hard to not stare at it.

Gosh.

People at the store probably think i‘m a nut.

 

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I‘m staring at this fennel at the store.

And it’s literally a cute special fennel.

It‘s hard to not stare at it.

Gosh.

People at the store probably think i‘m a nut.

 

So random lol. Is it tasty? What does one do with it?

[PurpleTree]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

So random lol. Is it tasty? What does one do with it?

I‘ll throw it into a vegetable soup.

Yea i think it’s tasty. It’s supposed to be good for the gut.

But gosh it reminds a bit one time i took ayahuasca and then stared at a pear and the pear was literally so cute and lovely.

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[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I‘ll throw it into a vegetable soup.

Yea i think it’s tasty. It’s supposed to be good for the gut.

But gosh it reminds a bit one time i took ayahuasca and then stared at a pear and the pear was literally so cute and lovely.

.

sounds good

lol sounds like a lovely experience 

 

[PurpleTree]

8 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

sounds good

lol sounds like a lovely experience 

 

With the pear it was very cute yes.

But these psychedelics like ayahuasca and shrooms are always rough for me. They taste horrible. And then it’s agony, horror, death, paranoia, bliss, this, that, feels like in being thrown into a washing machine.

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

With the pear it was very cute yes.

But these psychedelics like ayahuasca and shrooms are always rough for me. They taste horrible. And then it’s agony, horror, death, paranoia, bliss, this, that, feels like in being thrown into a washing machine.

I haven’t tried them specifically but I can imagine. 

[Hojo]

Take the perception that your eyes are outside reality and when you blink you are blocking light from reality into your skull and change it to when you blink your eyelids wrap around the back of reality and all light ceases to exists in the universe. 

No one can personally tell you what it is. Its an experience. You waiting for leo or anyone to tell you what it is the trap.

If you looked at leo could you tell or get any interpretation that he has jumped put of an airplane? You wont be able to get anything out of anyone about a description about an experience except useless words.

Enlightenment is only possible to you the observer.

Edited November 5 by Hojo

[Sugarcoat]

12 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Take the perception that your eyes are outside reality and when you blink you are blocking light from reality into your skull and change it to when you blink your eyelids wrap around the back of reality and all light ceases to exists in the universe. 

No one can personally tell you what it is. Its an experience. You waiting for leo or anyone to tell you what it is the trap.

If you looked at leo could you tell or get any interpretation that he has jumped put of an airplane? You wont be able to get anything out of anyone about a description about an experience except useless words.

Enlightenment is only possible to you the observer.

I see what you’re saying. I just used Leo as example because he really strived hard, harder than me for enlightenment 

[Carl-Richard]

Are you willing to let go of everything? Are you willing to let go of your life as a human being?

Edited November 5 by Carl-Richard

[Kuba Powiertowski]

10 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Nice. So do you believe in free will?

Question of free will requires free will to ask this question, like question about the origin of consciousness or whatever else, includung free will requires consciousness at first place - you who ask these questions need to be conscious. Simple as 2+2=4. That's why "before Abraham were, (or everything was/is) - I AM".  The question of whether you believe in free will could just as easily be replaced by the question of whether you believe in riding a bike. No offense.

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

Question of free will requires free will to ask this question

Not at all.

[Sugarcoat]

12 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Are you willing to let go of everything? Are you willing to let go of your life as a human being?

I would say yes