Is enlightenment even possible?

[NoSelfSelf]

5 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Are you enlightened is that how you know this? That’s why your name is noselfself right. I’m ready to sacrifice my human experience I just feel my “self” structure is maintaining itself and hard to break through. I did though over a year ago have this one massive permanent shift I don’t even know what to call it so I’m a bit confused sometimes like, am I awakened already or not. You always give interesting answers. Could you describe more this shift between source and ego if you want

I made that name because is sounded cool not because im enlightened.

Well there are many degrees of enlightment so i wouldnt even call myself enlightened if im still in human form.Im more on the edge of being human but still seeing that everything is "conciousness" the source,so i actively think and play as a characther and looking to develop my identity but still its all just seen as illusion.

The shift is more that if i would let go of all the attachments to improvement,getting better,experience life i would just be,and that being is just nothigness its just what is, i do this if there is some sort of suffering or needless thinking just shutting of my mind completely.

By suffering i mean for example i was watching movie terrifier 3 and scene shocked me that my body got a mini panick attack, to cool it off i just shut off my mind and be until it passed away.

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, NoSelfSelf said:

I made that name because is sounded cool not because im enlightened.

Well there are many degrees of enlightment so i wouldnt even call myself enlightened if im still in human form.Im more on the edge of being human but still seeing that everything is "conciousness" the source,so i actively think and play as a characther and looking to develop my identity but still its all just seen as illusion.

The shift is more that if i would let go of all the attachments to improvement,getting better,experience life i would just be,and that being is just nothigness its just what is, i do this if there is some sort of suffering or needless thinking just shutting of my mind completely.

By suffering i mean for example i was watching movie terrifier 3 and scene shocked me that my body got a mini panick attack, to cool it off i just shut off my mind and be until it passed away.

Okay I see it’s a cool name yes. 
 

I don’t know if there’s degrees of enlightenment maybe it depends on how it’s defined. I feel I can “intuit” that everything is consciousness , that it’s illusion etc non duality and all, but I still have a sense of self as a human. So maybe I’m with you there. 
 

okay I see I think I can somewhat understand what you mean about the shift. Don’t know if I can relate to that.  But thanks for sharing. 

[NoSelfSelf]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Okay I see it’s a cool name yes. 
 

I don’t know if there’s degrees of enlightenment maybe it depends on how it’s defined. I feel I can “intuit” that everything is consciousness , that it’s illusion etc non duality and all, but I still have a sense of self as a human. So maybe I’m with you there. 
 

okay I see I think I can somewhat understand what you mean about the shift. Don’t know if I can relate to that.  But thanks for sharing. 

Its not intuition you literally see that everything is conciousness with your own eyes.Its right there and you can see you are it.Once at a family dinner i said you are all inside me 😆 meaning whole room is me and is seen clearly,its new reality opened up.But it shocks you at first then becomes normal like anything else.

Its like invisible ocean you are swimming in and you are it at the same time.

[Davino]

3 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

It sounds nice but it also sounds like seeking.

On the one hand seek

On the other hand rest

You shall abide

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Davino said:

On the one hand seek

On the other hand rest

You shall abide

The good news is there seemingly isn’t free will so it doesn’t matter if you seek or not.
There is no you (according to my sources)

[Davino]

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

The world is an illusion. There's no enlightenment that's why they seek in a cave for decades. Looking for something illusory. There's not even non-enlightenment. There's just nothing concrete or stable period. It's all man-made by the senses that aren't even telling us the true nature of Reality. The eyes don't even see anything they are only information machines. Telling the subconscious how to create your made-up world that you then perceive through the mind and then think it's real. How can they find something that's not even there. Relative or not.

There is some Truth to that

Your approach is from the Direct paths. A direct exposition of the Truth Reality is, cognise, boom!

The appraoch of the serious yogis I was mentioning is from the Progressive paths

My point is for those in the Direct path they would benefit from a 18h a days sadhana for a couple of years

To those in the progressive path, maybe leave the mastery alone and just abide in Consciousness, the experience of what is now

[Davino]

Just now, PurpleTree said:

The good news is there seemingly isn’t free will so it doesn’t matter if you seek or not.
There is no you (according to my sources)

There is will because there is Identity and the source of all identity and existence is God

You can say I, because, God is such metaphysical property. For anything to be, God has to be it, for something to be means that it is self sufficient, explanatory, as a matter of fact, you can't kill existence, you can just modify its properties, vibrations, states and forms

There is no separate static self, that's an ilusion, although I doubt anyone here is beyond it. There's beauty and intelligence in ego

Yet in no-self existence is

What is this existence, that you should know

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Davino said:

There is will

No.

3 minutes ago, Davino said:

there is Identity and the source of all identity and existence is God

No that’s just an idea.

 

 

 

(allegedly)

[Yimpa]

Yes it is possible out of infinite possibilities

[Davino]

@PurpleTree

Really contemplate what it means to exist

What it means to be you

As a matter of fact you're proposing such a weird twisted notions on reality

If you just become aware of this moment

Existence is

Nice

I breathe

Experience is happening

This existence is itself, obviously, Identity is being itself, that is what identity means

Within limitations, you have will

Exert it to your freedom and if it's in accordance with Universal laws they shall reap fruit, otherwise they'll die like seeds in rocks

Existence, Reality or the Universe has a name

You can talk with it

It shall present itself as God

I've done the honours you experience it now

Don't be shy

Communicate with all of Reality

Stretch your mind and COnsciousness as far as it can go

And then a bit more

Shall all the universe connect with itself

Shall Consciousness become Infinitely Interconnected

Perfectly Awake

Boundless Sentient

Intelligent

Existing

Vibrating

ALIVE

[PurpleTree]

Sounds like horse dung.

No offence.

[Princess Arabia]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It is possible but it is somewhat difficult since the human mind works at a frequency that closes to enlightenment. dualities, concepts and timeline, and it is extremely difficult to get out of there. but on the other hand it is something obviously possible since you are existence therefore you just have to open yourself to what you are.

Right now I have a closed mind, and since I already know what this game is about, I don't try to conceptualize or think about what reality is and all that. I know that if I meditate for two days, perhaps with a very low dose of LSD or weed, at a given moment the amplitude becomes manifest and I know what I am outside of time, but I can't think about it. It is always in the background nearby, but I can easily enter mental loops of suffering too, since I am in the mundane life, I depend on money, on relationships with people, on future prospects, so that means not being enlightened, but I know what is enlightenment for a moment, a few minutes, hours. see through the veil of form.

I think anyone can do it, but I don't know how to live there permanently. Maybe meditating 3, 4 hours a day is possible. and doing emotional cleansing work, abandoning any need to be accepted, loved, to have a future, a worldly purpose. It is a change of angle that requires time, even if you have seen through the veil. Maybe it's impossible, but really it's not so important since if you have seen through the veil you know that you are at home since you are what is, even it's impossible to understand it now. Suffering can happen, and very deep, but that's life. Let's see how clean can be my mind, probably never totally, but as much as I can

Wait, let me fuck wit you for a minute. You're probably the most delusional here on this forum. Hee hee . Trying to use your fake senses to break through the unbreakable. There's nothing here but some friggin' light perforating throughout the whole of existence and energetically taking form to look like something the brain has to use to make sense of it all. It's like magic. It's masquerading as humans and a body and blood and houses and birds and trees and clouds. Oh my, it's wonderfully, artfully crafted to look like objects within a thing we call the Universe. On your death bed, you'll be like Steve Jobs saying "Wow, oh wow, oh wow". Hehe haha hoho.

[caspex]

What is enlightenment exactly?

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Trying to use your fake senses to break through the unbreakable

The senses are just a form, but you are, and you can't not be. The senses and perception are inside of what you are, you can't use them to break anything. What anything is is the being,.what is, and this emerges from the absence of limits, and has a character: it's absolute potential. That means that it's power is total, it's the true nature of everything, it's the same a bird, a rat of the entire universe, everything is the same, and you can perceive it because you are that. No delusion can be, it's absolutely obvious, no doubt.

But realizing that doesn't mean that you will be always happy, that's a mistake. You are still a human, and a human has needs, and if that needs are not fulfilled you suffer. If people dies or anything. But you can rest a while in your absolute nature and this is pure happiness because nothing lacks there, it's everything, Then you are again in the human an suffer. I guess that you could renounce to the human and be absolutely focused in your absolute nature, let yourself go without control, then you would be happy always 

Edited November 5 by Breakingthewall

[Eph75]

50 minutes ago, caspex said:

What is enlightenment exactly?

The experiential realization that everything is as it is and there is no need to change anything, that it's been perfect in that sense all along, that it (this) was here all along, and that there was and is no need to do anything. 

It's too simple to accept, and still, there's no apparent path to getting from here to nowhere because you're already there, i.e. here. 

The gateless gate you wanted to pass through was itself an illusion, the seeking was as false as anything else you attributed to what was right here in front of you.

Yet, seemingly you have made it to a different place, a different facet of the same.

The desire and need creates the seeking and the journey and enlightenment ends the journey by dissolving the questions that created the desires. 

Left is integrating with this and comfortably walking the all too apparent illusionary reality, and it not being you but it is all there is. 

Check my previous (longer) post, there is a reason it is being ignored because it's not attractive to ego. Ego playing BS games and the simplest answer of truth is not being accepted for what it is, truth, as the ego wants some elaborate spiritual fantasy concontion riddled with mumbo-jumbo words. 

Spirital bypassing, the fixation with that which appears spiritual to that you keep yourself lost in conceptualization rather than breaking free from it, realizing truth. 

Edited November 5 by Eph75

[Princess Arabia]

59 minutes ago, Eph75 said:

Check my previous (longer) post, there is a reason it is being ignored because it's not attractive to ego. Ego playing BS games and the simplest answer of truth is not being accepted for what it is, truth, as the ego wants some elaborate spiritual fantasy concontion riddled with mumbo-jumbo words. 

Yep. The ignoring of the post is what I call proof. 

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

But realizing that doesn't mean that you will be always happy,

Only fools want to be always happy. No such thing anyway. The body doesn't care about the mind's quest for lasting happiness. Happiness has an expiration time to flow through, just like anything else.

[Razard86]

The only way to become enlightened is to want it sincerely more than anything else. But be careful, it may not be what you want. The dark night of the soul is no joke.

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Razard86 …and it’s not one night for sure.

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Only fools want to be always happy

I guess that you could be 90% pure happiness if you really renounce to the mundane and are open to your nature all time.

4 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Happiness has an expiration time to flow through

Happiness is existing without any mental hindrance that prevents the happiness