Is enlightenment even possible?

[Sugarcoat]

I don’t mean to sound negative but I’m wondering if this enlightenment thing is even possible. I’ve done some self inquiry, contemplation, meditation, just a tiny bit psychedelics, have had maybe one natural glimpse, and have shed many layers to the self over the years, but it’s still alive so in one way I haven’t gotten anywhere. 
 

Look at Leo for example, he is a prime example. Isn’t he all about enlightenment? He has probably done so so much more practice than me, but he is still not enlightened, he is still operating from a human ego. Or am I wrong about this? If one of the most dedicated people in this isn’t even enlightened what is the hope for the rest of us who might not be equally as dedicated? How much does one have to do? Is it just a matter of keep trying? Any success stories ?

Edited November 4 by Sugarcoat

[Kuba Powiertowski]

I’m afraid that only You know the answers to your questions…

”notas mihi fecisti vias vitae - I was shown the ways of life”. Infinite paths of existence, where everyone of them is totally unique and unrepeatable. You may listen, read or watch infinite number of stories. In the end You need to „search for a hero inside yourself”.

[Davino]

It's rarer than Olympic Gold. This is the uncomfortable truth. Most people are just casuals. You're not gonna be the best unless you train like the best. 

So don't have unrealistic expectations, just do your thing and as far as you get that's fine. That will satisfy you enough. You don't have to be Einstein to enjoy physics.

[mojsterr]

Why do you want to become enlightened?

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

I’m afraid that only You know the answers to your questions…

”notas mihi fecisti vias vitae - I was shown the ways of life”. Infinite paths of existence, where everyone of them is totally unique and unrepeatable. You may listen, read or watch infinite number of stories. In the end You need to „search for a hero inside yourself”.

My answer is that it is very unlikely for me, if not impossible. But regardless I might still try

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, mojsterr said:

Why do you want to become enlightened?

To end suffering

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, Davino said:

It's rarer than Olympic Gold. This is the uncomfortable truth. Most people are just casuals. You're not gonna be the best unless you train like the best. 

So don't have unrealistic expectations, just do your thing and as far as you get that's fine. That will satisfy you enough. You don't have to be Einstein to enjoy physics.

A truthful answer. It might be the most rare thing. So you’re saying you have to give it your all? I’m thinking that too. 

[Davino]

@Sugarcoat Even if you give it your all there is no guarantee. Thousands of athletes give it their all generation after generation and never get the Olympic Gold medal.

As we speak there are hundreds of yogis in the Himalayas doing 18h+ of Sadhana, all day, everyday, for decades. Do you have that level of dedication? No. Even if you had, there's no guarantee for them. Then you have individuals like Ramana, Sri Anandamayi Ma or Adi Shankara which are superconscious mutants.

Edited November 4 by Davino

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Davino said:

@Sugarcoat Even if you give it your all there is no guarantee. Thousands of athletes give it their all generation after generation and never get the Olympic Gold medal.

I agree. I think probability for enlightenment is extremely low. I see people do so much yet they’re still not enlightened. Do you have any practices you recommend?

Edited November 4 by Sugarcoat

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Sugarcoat suffering, stress tests, discomfort - these are keys to your freedom. Escape or resistance will only make things worse. It’s a tough stuff, often very tough, but there’s no other way.

[Kuba Powiertowski]

Enlightement is a very tricky word. I prefer freedom. To be free of fear, anger and resistance to whatever is. Simple as that.

[Sugarcoat]

5 minutes ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

@Sugarcoat suffering, stress tests, discomfort - these are keys to your freedom. Escape or resistance will only make things worse. It’s a tough stuff, often very tough, but there’s no other way.

I have a really hard time accepting suffering. You mean this is key to “freedom” aka enlightenment?

[Sugarcoat]

13 minutes ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

Enlightement is a very tricky word. I prefer freedom. To be free of fear, anger and resistance to whatever is. Simple as that.

Sounds amazing. 

[Sugarcoat]

32 minutes ago, Davino said:

As we speak there are hundreds of yogis in the Himalayas doing 18h+ of Sadhana, all day, everyday, for decades. Do you have that level of dedication? No. Even if you had, there's no guarantee for them. Then you have individuals like Ramana, Sri Anandamayi Ma or Adi Shankara which are superconscious mutants.

That’s what I’m thinking too. It’s damn near impossible I think. Makes me feel a little hopeless

[Ishanga]

@Sugarcoat First Your thinking way way to far ahead, for now Enlightenment is just a concept for You, for most of Us as well..

Take Baby Steps Okay, First regulate Your Daily Experience, if You are not Peaceful of Your own nature, no matter what is going on, if You are not Accepting What is as it is naturally, if You are not Living Now and are not being ruled by past or future, then Enlightenment is not in your future in any way shape or form, so work on the basics, if You get the basics it will naturally happen, the various Sadhanas are basically about the basics, taking the shit away that is preventing You from Realizing the Reality as it is, that is Enlightenment isn't it?

Quit being trapped by Your Mind, being a Slave to every thought, ideology, egoic wanting or judging, be here Now truly!

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

First Your thinking way way to far ahead, for now Enlightenment is just a concept for You, for most of Us as well..

That is true

[LoseYourvelf]

Some people have a really hard time integrating hallucinations

 

If there is a God you best hope you're accounting for this stuff perfectly because I can vouch that God would be unfaceably terrifying, intelligent, powerful and all knowing. No man on earth right now has the time, nerve, awareness, intelligence or competency to pin down what a God would be like..

 

Kk now you've understood this, who is Leo, as a teacher? What is he teaching us? I really want to know this

 

Because sounds like if there is this God, if you had been just y'know, teaching whatever was at the forefront, professionalising your stream of consciousness, you would have failed shockingly and scarily, absolutely you would have.

 

I just don't know where to go from here. Leo is human. It's ego then. 

 

Okay, so now you've got to separate Leo from all your spirituality because of the way he understood his trip and what he chose to teach.

Come on, this guy has had a silver spoon in his mouth his whole life, his "hardest battle" was food addiction. Of course he thinks geese shit gold eggs man, haha.

 

So yeah no, God isn't real, Leo hasn't met or proved him. He just doesn't realise how potent symmetry of the universe and nature can be..

 

If you're here under the pretence of Leo's teachings you are a stupid little sheep

 

Also I just want to say, this guy is pulling HARD CASH out of this shit ever yday, on socials/youtube and through you little goblins paying him. The universe still ticks on in the background of your stupidity, every single day.

 

You need to teach yourself you are fucking lying to yourself for the love of shortcuts and cozy-cope-thought if you think Leo has one answer to give you. He's got 300 days of waffle to give you from this point right now. Lock in.

 

He misteaches solipsism because he has misrelated it to hallucinations, life is undefinably otherly and has a mind of its own, everyone knows this from cradle to grave except Leo, he knows other is him through and through.

 

Gosh I hope this turns your stomach to read cos it turns my stomach to type

 

A man with such professional film skills could contribute such beauty except he believes his human and his mind is the true beauty, even though he also admits he is around stage blue!?

 

I'm a troll and I don't like you people here in this community, you have huge egos and think you have all the answers. I know this place is built on a false premise so I know all those here are here on a false premise acting falsely

Edited November 4 by LoseYourvelf

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Take Baby Steps Okay, First regulate Your Daily Experience, if You are not Peaceful of Your own nature, no matter what is going on, if You are not Accepting What is as it is naturally, if You are not Living Now and are not being ruled by past or future, then Enlightenment is not in your future in any way shape or form, so work on the basics, if You get the basics it will naturally happen, the various Sadhanas are basically about the basics, taking the shit away that is preventing You from Realizing the Reality as it is, that is Enlightenment isn't it?

Quit being trapped by Your Mind, being a Slave to every thought, ideology, egoic wanting or judging, be here Now truly!

I’ve been having a hard time lately and to be honest it’s very difficult for me to accept suffering. 

[Davino]

8 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

 Do you have any practices you recommend?

You wanna end suffering?

I'm quite agnostic about such possibility 

Probably Buddhism will suit you. Vipassana and insights practices work great in that sense. You can do retreats. Regarding books: Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha. The new book of Peter Ralston: Ending Unnecessary Suffering may come in also handy.

Regarding psychedelics in your case would recommend 5meo, Ketamine and Salvia.

Associate yourself with people who may have achieved that and learn from them.

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

I’ve been having a hard time lately and to be honest it’s very difficult for me to accept suffering. 

Find a quality Guru, You need assistance with this for sure, as we all do.

If You Accept Everything as it is, Live Now Absolutely(Use past to become wise from), Respond rather than react, then suffering is not possible, work on these basic three, and they are not mental exercises, its goes deeper than that!