I don’t care about bliss

[Sugarcoat]

Some people associate enlightenment with bliss . And they ask themselves if it comes with endless bliss. Am I the only one who doesn’t care about bliss or happiness. I would be very pleased with a constant “neutrality”. I just don’t wanna suffer, that’s all.

Maybe some will say this kind of thinking, in terms of how enlightenment will benefit “me” is precisely what’s standing in the way of it. Maybe, maybe not, but I just can’t help myself to think this way. I don’t think it does harm, it’s natural to wonder for oneself what something mysterious like enlightenment would entail. And as long as there is a “me” sense here it will wonder how it will benefit oneself, even if enlightenment means the end of that very “me”

Edited November 4 by Sugarcoat

[JosephKnecht]

 

14 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Am I the only one who doesn’t care about bliss or happiness.

So you don't want enlightenment to be sugarcoated? 

 

[Sugarcoat]

55 minutes ago, JosephKnecht said:

 

So you don't want enlightenment to be sugarcoated? 

 

Hehe

[Ishanga]

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Some people associate enlightenment with bliss . And they ask themselves if it comes with endless bliss. Am I the only one who doesn’t care about bliss or happiness. I would be very pleased with a constant “neutrality”. I just don’t wanna suffer, that’s all.

Maybe some will say this kind of thinking, in terms of how enlightenment will benefit “me” is precisely what’s standing in the way of it. Maybe, maybe not, but I just can’t help myself to think this way. I don’t think it does harm, it’s natural to wonder for oneself what something mysterious like enlightenment would entail. And as long as there is a “me” sense here it will wonder how it will benefit oneself, even if enlightenment means the end of that very “me”

People want only what is lacking in their life, poor ppl want more money, weathly ppl want more power, stupid ppl want more knowing...

Bliss is the grease that makes it all flow that much easier, Bliss is a by product of Enlightenment I would say.  And Bliss is higher up on the scale of Intensity of Experiences, lets say compared to Peace, Peace is 0 on a scale of 10, anything below Peace is not really living the Human Potential in any way, Happiness is 4, Joy is 7, Bliss is 9 and Ecstasy is 10 on a scale of how Intense an Experience is (empowering Experiences)...

Just be Peaceful first as a natural Experience, then for sure it will flow upwards!

[SamC]

If you want Neutrality, then that's your idea of bliss. Bliss is simply feeling the best you can feel and exaxtly how you want to feel.

Who wouldn't want that? That's litterly why we do everything we do.

[Davino]

@Sugarcoat If you wanna be free from suffering you def care

Don't you think?

[gettoefl]

Only an ego wants to bargain away what you are

[Princess Arabia]

What is it that will know it's enlightened. What is it that will know it's in bliss, Stop being deluded like the rest of minds. It's the mind that wants to become enlightened and be in a state of bliss. What's aware of all this is already enlightened and blissful if you want to use those terms for it. Nothing wrong with that. It is still being known. Knowledge is separation. One cannot know themselves one can only be themselves. (which reminds me, I should change my signature). On the other side of that knowing is something that knows. In that knowing there are no words or images. Words and images are known. They come and go. You are aware of those coming and going. You cannot escape yourself. The person that you think you are, is known. If you become in a state of bliss, that will be known. Known by what/who, YOU. Awareness. Sounds goo goo ga ga, right. 

Let me know when you hear someone on this forum says they're enlightened. Let me know when someone on the forum says they're in a state of permanent bliss and I'll show you someone who thinks they're enlightened and blissful, someone who has witnessed a person become enlightened and blissful. Who or what is prior to witnessing that. Let me know too.

[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, Ishanga said:

People want only what is lacking in their life, poor ppl want more money, weathly ppl want more power, stupid ppl want more knowing...

Bliss is the grease that makes it all flow that much easier, Bliss is a by product of Enlightenment I would say.  And Bliss is higher up on the scale of Intensity of Experiences, lets say compared to Peace, Peace is 0 on a scale of 10, anything below Peace is not really living the Human Potential in any way, Happiness is 4, Joy is 7, Bliss is 9 and Ecstasy is 10 on a scale of how Intense an Experience is (empowering Experiences)...

Just be Peaceful first as a natural Experience, then for sure it will flow upwards!

I’d be content with simply peace.

[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, SamC said:

If you want Neutrality, then that's your idea of bliss. Bliss is simply feeling the best you can feel and exaxtly how you want to feel.

Who wouldn't want that? That's litterly why we do everything we do.

I’d be very content with simply neutrality. Maybe you could call that a type of bliss, but I still make a distinction between that neutrality and a more intense state of feeling something (happiness, ecstasy, bliss)

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

@Sugarcoat If you wanna be free from suffering you def care

Don't you think?

I make distinction between neutrality and bliss/happiness. The absence of suffering is no feeling at all, vs a feeling of bliss/happiness

[Sugarcoat]

57 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Only an ego wants to bargain away what you are

Don’t know what you mean

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

I’d be content with simply peace.

Well stop throwing pebbles in the ocean and stay still and know that you are. Be still and know that I AM.

[Salvijus]

I suspect a quiet delight of the wholesomeness is the ultimate happiness. The exciting and stimulating bliss is just entertainment for the ego that leads to attachment and then attachment leads to suffering in the end. Also permanent loud bliss would become annoying after some time I believe. 

Edited November 4 by Salvijus

[Ishanga]

10 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I suspect a quiet delight of the wholesomeness is the ultimate happiness. The exciting and stimulating bliss is just entertainment for the ego that leads to attachment and then attachment leads to suffering in the end. Also permanent loud bliss would become annoying after some time I believe. 

The Thing is the with the higher intensity Experiences like Bliss and Ecstasy, they don't allow one to function at times well in life situations, if Your a Householder and have a job and family, being Blissed out will make those things somewhat meaningless... I was watching some NDE ppl share their experiences, one Man after his heart stopped, he had 4 kids, a single father, and when he passed over to the "Other" side, he said the Bliss/Love he experienced made him forget his family, he said "At that moment I didn't care about them", so that is a bit of a danger to it, which is why Ashrams were build so ppl could go thru these experience in safe protected places... But saying that, it much better to be in Bliss than Depression or Anxiety, its just a matter of dealing with it using Clarity as a key aspect!  This is why Guru's are so important!!

Edited November 4 by Ishanga

[James123]

@Sugarcoat it is actually simply and truly being. That's all. However, idk about bliss but freedom and being not afraid is inevitable.

[Carl-Richard]

Bliss and IQ are correlated 

 

Edited November 4 by Carl-Richard

[PurpleTree]

Well it doesn’t matter what we want or don’t want anyway. It’s not about us seemingly.

[Sugarcoat]

50 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Well stop throwing pebbles in the ocean and stay still and know that you are. Be still and know that I AM.

I’m somewhat peaceful a lot of the time

[Sugarcoat]

44 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I suspect a quiet delight of the wholesomeness is the ultimate happiness. The exciting and stimulating bliss is just entertainment for the ego that leads to attachment and then attachment leads to suffering in the end. Also permanent loud bliss would become annoying after some time I believe. 

Yea I believe enlightenment is closer to the kind of neutrality I’m describing as opposed to a loud bliss (maybe in the beginning when it happens it’s so)