Given the current level of development of our society, is Trump the better choice?

[Juan]

Short answer: No

Long answer: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Thought Art]

@Inliytened1 Yes, both his Rhetoric, what he tried to do during the 2020 election, and what he would have done had the guardrails not been in place during his presidency. There is a lot of journalism, documentaries, interviews, etc that you can watch, many of which I have shared on this forum. 

It is extremely foolish to ignore someone's rhetoric. To side swipe it and not take what someone running for US president says with his own mouth. When he says fascist things, speaks of being a dictator on day one, speaks of getting revenge with US military on the "enemy within" or those who disagree with him or would hold him to account for his crimes.

This is a very serious situation and people asking this, should ask themselves if they are US citizens why they are not looking closely at all this. Why they don't know history of for for example, how Hitler did the same things and people just excused him.

Edited Monday at 12:48 AM by Thought Art

[Thought Art]

US democracy is at stake right now.

Treating Trump like another politician to me suggests, you don't know what is going on at all.

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Inliytened1 speaks of getting revenge with US military on the "enemy within"

He explained on Joe Rogan that the enemy within meant the democratic party.   

[What Am I]

I wish one of the candidates had openly discussed UFO disclosure. I don't think I saw it come up once this entire cycle. That would have probably influenced my vote one way or the other.

[eliasvelez]

just compare the policy implemented in the era of the trump administration and the policy implemented in bidens administration. I think that is enough to know who cares more for the country... even with leaving out the toxic and embarassing behaviour of maga

Edited Monday at 01:04 AM by eliasvelez

[eliasvelez]

4 minutes ago, What Am I said:

I wish one of the candidates had openly discussed UFO disclosure. I don't think I saw it come up once this entire cycle. That would have probably influenced my vote one way or the other.

bruh

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, What Am I said:

I wish one of the candidates had openly discussed UFO disclosure. I don't think I saw it come up once this entire cycle. That would have probably influenced my vote one way or the other.

So who will it be without that?

 

[eliasvelez]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Its a weak argument   How can you be more pro-israel than what the US has already allowed.  

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/bernie-sanders-kamala-harris-vote-israel-gaza-rcna177851

[Thought Art]

15 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

He explained on Joe Rogan that the enemy within meant the democratic party.   

Yeah, that’s an insane thing to say. 

[Thought Art]

15 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

He explained on Joe Rogan that the enemy within meant the democratic party.   

“I’m a liar don’t doubt my sincerity” 

[What Am I]

9 minutes ago, eliasvelez said:

bruh

If you really think about it, there's nothing more important than the revelations involving intelligent beings besides humans, technologies with capabilities beyond comprehension, and the truth about the nature of reality, i.e., spirituality.

Of course, maybe not everyone has bought into the topic as being real, which was initially surprising to me when the forum is full of people who've experienced hyperdimensional realities via psychedelics/meditation. At least Leo appears convinced about the UFO phenomenon and he seems to be aware of the implications. I'm thankful for that.

[Inliytened1]

15 minutes ago, eliasvelez said:

just compare the policy implemented in the era of the trump administration and the policy implemented in bidens administration. I think that is enough to know who cares more for the country... even with leaving out the toxic and embarassing behaviour of maga

Just give me a summary of the policies here then.  I'm still ready to change my vote. I'm open to see the policies.  Unfortunately I have seen a decline in the economy in the past 4 years.  House prices have gone up, interest rates have gone up.  The price of eggs has skyrocketed, and I can't afford gas.   So tell me how Harris is going to fix things?  Do you live on your own?

Edited Monday at 01:17 AM by Inliytened1

[What Am I]

15 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

So who will it be without that?

I'm leaning towards the Republican worldview. Or put more accurately, the anti-establishment side. I think Republicans were co-opted into a hammer against the establishment, and their current values mostly don't reflect the stodgy stiffs they were before.

But really, I'm not taking my previous comments regarding UFOs/spirituality out of the equation. It's a big part of the reason I have a bone to pick with the establishment.

Edited Monday at 01:24 AM by What Am I

[eliasvelez]

7 minutes ago, What Am I said:

If you really think about it, there's nothing more important than the revelations involving intelligent beings besides humans, technologies with capabilities beyond comprehension, and the truth about the nature of reality, i.e., spirituality.

Of course, maybe not everyone has bought into the topic as being real, which was initially surprising to me when the forum is full of people who've experienced hyperdimensional realities via psychedelics/meditation. At least Leo appears convinced about the UFO phenomenon and he seems to be aware of the implications. I'm thankful for that.

Its not about that. It just seems disconnected from the current political reality in america and the issues that need to be fixed before you even could consider that politics deal with that. 

[What Am I]

3 minutes ago, eliasvelez said:

Its not about that. It just seems disconnected from the current political reality in america and the issues that need to be fixed before you even could consider that politics deal with that. 

Yeah, it is pretty disconnected from someone's typical considerations in politics. I'd argue it's actually incredibly essential, but I get where you're coming from in saying it appears out of left field. I guess there's no need to keep discussing it if nobody else is like-minded. Just giving my two cents.

[josemar]

2 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Yeah, it is pretty disconnected from someone's typical considerations in politics. I'd argue it's actually incredibly essential, but I get where you're coming from in saying it appears out of left field. I guess there's no need to keep discussing it if nobody else is like-minded. Just giving my two cents.

My guess is that if there really was some truth to UFOs, it would have come out already. Musk said he hasn't seen any evidence of such, with all his top level security clearances... Or would RFK not said something? Actually maybe he did, I'm not following him that closely... Trump tried to give a political answer to aliens, but I got the feeling he also hasn't seen any evidence.... just couldn't straight say "no" and lose your vote 

[josemar]

24 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Just give me a summary of the policies here then.  I'm still ready to change my vote. I'm open to see the policies.  Unfortunately I have seen a decline in the economy in the past 4 years.  House prices have gone up, interest rates have gone up.  The price of eggs has skyrocketed, and I can't afford gas.   So tell me how Harris is going to fix things?  Do you live on your own?

Can we not see the institution of the president outside of the actual person performing the function? If people like the promises one side makes over another, what would make them vote for the opposing side, "well the particular  individual chosen to fulfill those promises might have done some bad things"... Right, but is that enough to vote for the opposing side, and abandon all hope for what you actually want implemented?

Yes, they're only promises for now, but Kamala had almost 4 years in power and she still blames Trump for ...  being a presidential candidate? 

These are the policies I like the republicans over democrats for... any one of these is a one issue vote, luckily all are correctly chosen by the republicans...

 

1. PRO Free speech / First amendment. By contrast, the dems want to censor whoever they don't like (which they already were doing before Musk bought twitter)

2. Pro bitcoin. If a politician is against inflation-proof store of value and is favoring the bankers that will steal your money slowly through inflation hoping you won't notice, I'm not voting for them.

3. Lower (income) taxes. When is that ever a bad thing? Kamala is floating all kinds of ideas on increasing taxes and taxing unrealized profits!!!. Is she crazy? No, just shallow.

4. Decrease size of and make government more efficient.Why would I vote for a party that wants to increase taxes (to sustain an inefficient too large government), that increased the number of IRS agents to check my every little sale of old shoes?

5. A more sane approach to the newest gender ideology. Offering sex changes to illegal migrants in prison? Yeah... I don't think this is the highest priority.

Watch the stock market and bitcoin tank if Kamala wins... tells you all you need to know about how economy-friendly each party is.

 

[Joshe]

Damn guys. This is just sad. In one of Leo's videos, he told you you're a fool if you try to evaluate Trump on policy... and I concur. It's the most absurd shit. 

The only reason you need to vote Kamala is to vote against Trump. That's it. No policy assessments needed. You simply look at reality and what has unfolded and continues to unfold, and you should instinctually know what to do. The fact that this instinct doesn't kick in for you says something... but I haven't quite figured it all out yet.

It's either you can't read reality accurately, you're propagandized on some anti-establishment anti-woke bullshit, or you're just really a conservative, NONE of which, even if given their due legitimacy, would come close to tipping the scale towards Trump.

But you know what my #1 theory is? It's that you have near zero ability to game out the implications of a variable. If x gets put into the highest office on the planet and if x has these attributes and this history, what scenarios are likely to play out. If you could read reality accurately, this whole assessment would answer you the question of who to fucking vote for. 

If you sweep under the rug all that is Trump and start talking about things he can do for you, you've LOST THE GODDAMN PLOT! 

Edited Monday at 01:55 AM by Joshe

[What Am I]

9 minutes ago, josemar said:

My guess is that if there really was some truth to UFOs, it would have come out already. Musk said he hasn't seen any evidence of such, with all his top level security clearances... Or would RFK not said something? Actually maybe he did, I'm not following him that closely... Trump tried to give a political answer to aliens, but I got the feeling he also hasn't seen any evidence.... just couldn't straight say "no" and lose your vote 

You're right about Musk and Trump, but RFK did state in no uncertain terms that he'd declassify everything related to UFOs. Who knows how legit the statement was.