Given the current level of development of our society, is Trump the better choice?

[Inliytened1]

Let's hear your thoughts.  Right now based on the current level of  development and where we are, can Trump do more for the economy and the security of the nation than Harris?

Right now I'd have to say yes.  I've been on the fence for months until I saw the Joe Rogan interview and got to know Trump more as a person.   The left has been trying to portray him as a Hitler for so long now and demonize the guy but he has already had four years in office and I don't think another four is going to turn him into Adolf.   

If we are looking at the short term (the now) who is really going to pump energy into this nation?  I think ultimately it's going to be Trump.   We've had 4 years of mediocrity and honestly it hasn't been enough.  We'll get 4 more years of the exact same thing if we vote Harris.  Plus with Harris we aren't getting an authentic Harris we are getting her goons.  She will be another figurehead.   We will get wide open borders and we will get crazy inflation (over the span of 4 years - I know it is dipping now).

And we will probably get more wars or leaders that have no respect for the US.   Leo admits that Harris doesn't think for herself but he still wants to go with the democrats because he thinks they are a safer bet and fears Trump's insanity, and that he will become a dictator,  yet what if these fears are an illusion?   I believe the guy when he says he has nothing to do with project 2025.  What if going with the "safe" bet is an illusion and instead leaves you with a nation in a worse state than it was 4 years ago?  Something to think about.

So let's hear your thoughts.  

Edited November 3 by Inliytened1

[Spiritual Warfare]

It is great that Trump is winning because the majority believes in fairy tales and these people see Harris as a devil. This means that if she were to win, which she won’t, these religious individuals would attack her and her followers, creating a hostile environment and no peace in society and likely beyond. I have come to realize after all these years that people are inherently foolish and believe in fairy tales. Even though it frustrates me, I must unfortunately accept it. We humans cannot evolve and religious people have proven this. It has been a thousand years, yet it feels like we are back in the Stone Age. Trump is the right choice. Stop holding out hope for humanity’s development, it will not happen. Fairy tales are too powerful.

[Raze]

I don’t see why we’d get more wars with Trump. So far the only difference between him and Harris seems to be he leans towards negotiations regarding Ukraine.

If trump tries to overturn democracy and it causes a civil war that may lead to less wars as the Us will have to focus on its internal issues and have less power projection capabilities and would need to reduce the constant escalation it has been doing. Though obviously that would be bad for Americans. 

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[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Raze said:

I don’t see why we’d get more wars with Trump. So far the only difference between him and Harris seems to be he leans towards negotiations regarding Ukraine.

If trump tries to overturn democracy and it causes a civil war that may lead to less wars as the Us will have to focus on its internal issues and have less power projection capabilities and would need to reduce the constant escalation it has been doing. Though obviously that would be bad for Americans.

I meant that there would be more wars with Harris.  That is just my speculation though.  I think Trump's claims that had he stayed in office Russia would not have attacked Ukraine is one of his delusions of grandeur.   I don't doubt the guy has such flaws but right now I'm comparing the better of two evils. 

Edited November 3 by Inliytened1

[Jannes]

I think you fell for Trumps fear mongering. He makes claims about how much in a rot society is and how much it will go to shit with inflation, wars, immigration and that he is the only solution to these problems. He makes you fearful so that you vote for him.

[Sincerity]

What kind of news/info are you consuming? List any sources perhaps?

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Jannes said:

I think you fell for Trumps fear mongering. He makes claims about how much in a rot society is and how much it will go to shit with inflation, wars, immigration and that he is the only solution to these problems. He makes you fearful so that you vote for him.

No, I listened to the guy as a human being while Harris refused to come on the show.  Vance did as well and i thought it was splendid.   It just shows that Harris is controlled by her party.   Where Trump can go off the cuff.  There's a certain level of respect to that.   Anyway to your points all those things are sore spots that weren't there when he was last in office.  And again I'm comparing the better of two evils. 

Edited November 3 by Inliytened1

[Jannes]

And I dont see a problem with Harris being a bit hollow. Of course it would be great if she were very intelligent and had her own positive vision but in this case if she follows group think and her advisors that just means okayish decisions will be made as most bad ones will be filtered out. So missteps are unlikely. 

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Jannes said:

And I dont see a problem with Harris being a bit hollow. Of course it would be great if she were very intelligent and had her own positive vision but in this case if she follows group think and her advisors that just means okayish decisions will be made as most bad ones will be filtered out. So missteps are unlikely. 

I think she's very intelligent she's just a product of her party and doesn't have the confidence to make her own decisions.  That's a big deal.  I don't want the person I'm voting for to turn around and ask someone else what they think I want them to be a leader who can make the tough decisions. 

[Inliytened1]

33 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

It is great that Trump is winning because the majority believes in fairy tales and these people see Harris as a devil. This means that if she were to win, which she won’t, these religious individuals would attack her and her followers, creating a hostile environment and no peace in society and likely beyond. I have come to realize after all these years that people are inherently foolish and believe in fairy tales. Even though it frustrates me, I must unfortunately accept it. We humans cannot evolve and religious people have proven this. It has been a thousand years, yet it feels like we are back in the Stone Age. Trump is the right choice. Stop holding out hope for humanity’s development, it will not happen. Fairy tales are too powerful.

Not sure how you can say he's winning it is neck to neck in the polls.  I think he's going to edge her out because overall the nation wants change like they did in 2016.  Plus with the luck God gave Trump he doesn't lose too much. 

But yes as far as human development that's going to happen regardless of who wins.  We can't vote based on who is green and who is blue.  Or red.  It's not going to make a dent jn human development.  I do not believe we are doomed though. 

Edited November 3 by Inliytened1

[Joshe]

23 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

It just shows that Harris is controlled by her party.   

Her not going on Rogan doesn't even hint towards that, much less prove it. You could speculate that's the reason, but there are dozens of other potential reasons we could also speculate, and you can't say which reason is correct without more information. Making that big of a leap here is indicative that you're likely making similar leaps all over the place. This type of thinking is a surefire way to arrive at falsehood. 

Also, because a con artist can sit down and behave well enough and go off the cuff for 3 hours should not be used as a measurement of his character. Con artists know how to appear normal, ya know?

Edited November 3 by Joshe

[Yimpa]

Absolutely not.

[Joshe]

16 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I think she's very intelligent she's just a product of her party and doesn't have the confidence to make her own decisions.  That's a big deal.  I don't want the person I'm voting for to turn around and ask someone else what they think I want them to be a leader who can make the tough decisions. 

Funny, that's exactly what I want. I want someone intelligent enough to know they are not an expert on all subject matter and to then seek the council of those who are. Some consider that a sign of intelligence and humility, aka, maturity. 

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[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Funny, that's exactly what I want. I want someone intelligent enough to know they are not an expert on all subject matter and to then seek the council of those who are. Some might consider that a sign of intelligence and humility, aka, maturity. 

Yes of course that's true.  But I'm saying ultimately they have to be the final authority.   And right now I'm sorry but she doesn't radiate that.  I'm sure with Trump even if he wanted to make a decision without seeking council he would be forced to.  And he would listen.  But ultimately the decision would come from him.  I just don't get that with her.  

Edited November 3 by Inliytened1

[PurpleTree]

16 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I think she's very intelligent she's just a product of her party and doesn't have the confidence to make her own decisions.  That's a big deal.  I don't want the person I'm voting for to turn around and ask someone else what they think I want them to be a leader who can make the tough decisions. 

I wouldn’t want neither of those two in office.

A guy like Trump making the decisions of peace and war and such? a bit scary

same with Kamala.

[Joshe]

11 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yes of course that's true.  But I'm saying ultimately they have to be the final authority.   And right now I'm sorry but she doesn't radiate that.  I'm sure with Trump even if he wanted to make a decision without seeking counsel he would be forced to.  And he would listen.  But ultimately the decision would come from him.  I just don't get that with her.  

Hmm, I haven't paid much attention to her but from what I've seen, her personality seems pretty damn assertive. I get the sense that she'll do what she wants to do. She strikes me as that type of woman. You can see it in her mannerisms and her restraint. I can anyway. 

I get the sense that you don't actually care about this though. Why does it matter who arrives at the best decision so long as they go with it. If I were president, the vast majority of my decisions would be made from those wiser than me on the particular topic. In fact, the best president would probably be the one who stayed the most out of the way of the experts. 

Edited November 3 by Joshe

[Raze]

16 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Funny, that's exactly what I want. I want someone intelligent enough to know they are not an expert on all subject matter and to then seek the council of those who are. Some consider that a sign of intelligence and humility, aka, maturity. 

When presidents have done this it has consistently resulted in massive disasters. The government is full of toxic interests who seek to give advice to the president.

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[Joshe]

1 minute ago, Raze said:

When presidents have done this it has consistently resulted in massive disasters. The government is full of toxic interests who seek to give advice to the president.

Yes, but you can be wise enough to avoid those traps. You could even set up an entire team specifically to audit every decision to check against such things. 

[Raze]

1 minute ago, Joshe said:

Yes, but you can be wise enough to avoid those traps. You could even set up an entire team specifically to audit every decision to check against such things. 

Kamala is probably not by all indications.

[Inliytened1]

13 minutes ago, Joshe said:

 

I get the sense that you don't actually care about this though. 

I do but all indications show otherwise.  And I see her as a reflection of the last four years.  I make a good living but I support a family on a single income and I see that being increasingly harder to afford with groceries getting more and more expensive - along with fuel, etc.   And the list goes on.